"I Hate Donald Trump, but he might get my vote" Washington Post(Opinion)
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So if you vote for Trump you're automatically a bigot??
Surely there are Trump voters who aren't bigots. Bit of a generalisation imo.
Surely there are Trump voters who aren't bigots. Bit of a generalisation imo.
Palette Swap
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Putting a racist in power is a racist action, it's not rocket science.
Earthpainting
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You might not necessarily be a bigot, but it's pretty hard to ignore that you're enabling open bigotry. Whatever one's reasons may be to vote for Trump, I hope they are weighed carefully against this enabling.
The Lamonster
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This thing reads with so much contempt. It must suck to be that unhappy in life.
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I'm not even American so I have no horse in this race. Just recently I was speaking to a Trump voter. He claimed he would vote Trump to avoid voting Hillary.
I also know he isn't a racist. I struggle to see how simply voting Trump makes a racist and a supporter of everything he says.
Cause the racism is the one thing he is consistent and firm on. Everything else gets flip flopped within a few days.
Why else are people voting for him? "Not hillary" isn't an excuse when you can sit your butt home or go green or hill write in a candidate
Because they are enabling racism and bigotry by voting for him. It's not hard to grasp. The issue is that these supporters don't care about that, which I could classify as a type of racism and prejudice that's not as overt.
When your platform is mostly based on racism, hate, fear, paranoia, nonsense, etc., how else are you supposed to call people who vote for him? As he ever pledge to do something actually good for the country or for people who are in trouble?
"Make America great again", by doing what exactly? Racism, hatred, fear, paranoia and shit that make no sense? Great plan there Trump.
Again with the excuse of "Anybody but Hillary" when your other choice is even worst. If that's the only reason someone have to vote for Trump, then sure, he might not be bigot or racist, he's simply just an idiot.
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You might not be an "active" racist in the sense you purposively think less of other races/are willing to discriminate against other races, but that's a rather strict conception of the term racist. Trump's policies will make life fundamentally much worse for non-white ethnicities. While you may not actively push for racial discrimination, by voting for Trump you are therefore passively allowing racial discrimination to happen. That makes you at least a "passive" racist. If anything, passive racism is the far bigger problem for minorities; it's the great silent masses who do nothing to lift a finger, nothing to help, nothing to advance the cause; who are content to sit by and watch cruelty and evil persist, that cause the most harm in this world.
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But that doesn't necessarily mean you support his racism. I don't know why people vote for him whether it's his policies, or they just like the fact he's a change. I don't know. But I don't think the only single aspect of his campaign is racism and if you vote for him it's because of that.
How isn't wanting to vote for Hillary a reason? If someone vehemently disagrees with her ideas and policies, sitting at home and not voting is moronic. It's a two candidate election. If you don't want Hillary to win, sitting at home won't help that goal.
My friend is not a racist. He may be a liar, a pig, an idiot, a racist, but he is *not* a porn star!
What could be so important, that being a racist does not immediately rule out a candidate? I'm not saying your friend is a racist, but I feel that we are also trivializing certain behavior and patterns. Yes, if you vote for Trump you most certainly indirectly support his racism or tolerate it. Don't get me wrong, I understand the thought patterns on why someone might vote for Trump, these people are not necessarily racist, I just think it is important to point out the problems/implications if someone votes for Trump.
What could be so important, that being a racist does not immediately rule out a candidate? I'm not saying your friend is a racist, but I feel that we are also trivializing certain behavior and patterns. Yes, if you vote for Trump you most certainly indirectly support his racism or tolerate it. Don't get me wrong, I understand the thought patterns on why someone might vote for Trump, these people are not necessarily racist, I just think it is important to point out the problems/implications if someone votes for Trump.
If you vote for a person who says "I will do these racist things" then you are at best ignorant at worse a racist. But totally a racist enabler.
Why is being racist worse than enabling and supporting racist things?
That is what it comes down to. People want to do fuckshit and not be called on it.
One good thing about Trump is you can't hide behind nothign, cause Racism is all there is
Demoskinos
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That might have just as well read as "I want it like the old days where a man could beat up ****** and sexually harass women without getting in trouble."
FFS there is a reason it isn't like the old days anymore. We have fucking progressed (or at least some of us have) since then. Jesus Christ.
People voting for Trump because he isn't "PC" are voting for him for the worst of reasons.
FFS there is a reason it isn't like the old days anymore. We have fucking progressed (or at least some of us have) since then. Jesus Christ.
People voting for Trump because he isn't "PC" are voting for him for the worst of reasons.
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It's really an issue of how you define "being a racist", which can range from the cartoonish "I believe minority X is simply inferior because so and so" to the colorblind "I don't care that my candidate empowers white supremacists and would push back the effective rights of minorities in this country".
The latter is tacit, can be excused by a kind of willful ignorance, but in the end it very much embodies a pushback of institutionalized racism against minorities. In Trump's case, it's even worse because he's very actively signaling what he is all about.
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Can you imagine a world where Hillary Clinton is President?
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So you're saying that the proper response to politicians being corrupted by big money is to remove said politicians and replace them with the big money that has been doing the corrupting?
It's like people don't even want to think. Replacing the corrupted with the corrupters. Okay great.
I'm painting with a perfectly sized brush, given what is identifiable as Trump's "platform". By casting your vote for Trump you either agree with him or you begrudgingly enable his bigotry. The end result is the same for Muslims, LGBT and other minorities across the US.
We already see in the UK how legitimizing this xenophobia through a democratic process enables all kinds of abhorrent behavior. Or we just have to look at his own rallies. Confederate flags, slurs and violence galore.
If it's all about teams, that's what your captain brings to the table. If a conservative Supreme Court is worth all this to you or your family it frankly doesn't matter what you would do if you saw someone in distress. The damage your vote does is still insurmountable.
So if in the face of all this your biggest gripe with Hillary is that she's been on TV a lot I suggest you get the fuck over it.
These are the idiots I fear the most.
Can anybody actually justify voting Trump without giving some non-answer that has nothing to do with what his actual policies are? It's always "he speaks his mind" this, and "to not vote Hillary" that.
tedrotheredro
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The media needs to make this a close race. Blowouts don't get the $$$.
Is "for the lols" a non answer? I know a lot are doing it for that very reason. Also,people are voting Hillary "to not vote Trump". I know people that despise Trump, but are voting for him just to try to keep Democrats out.
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Trumpism works because a lot of people felt slighted by the Left for the longest while, and due to politics becoming ever more polarized they feel even more hung out to dry. So it doesn't surprise me people will vote on him on the narrative that they want to "shake things up" irregardless of his policy; which to be honest wasn't even the worst of the GOP candidates.
It worked on the UK, but I doubt in America it will have the same effect given that the US is more racially mixed and it's not like Trump can just say "hey my african americans" and expect to get their vote, even though that's what he seems to be doing.
It worked on the UK, but I doubt in America it will have the same effect given that the US is more racially mixed and it's not like Trump can just say "hey my african americans" and expect to get their vote, even though that's what he seems to be doing.
That just neans those people have no appreciation for democracy and have been successfully brainwashed to waste their vote, rather than to think for themselves.
That goes for those on either side voting out of spite.
AyaisMUsikWhore
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This article was just a racist being proud of being racist. Whatever... Not a single Trump supporter actually states what they are Voting for Trump for. What's the policies that you supports because maybe about all of them are racist, backwards and completely negative to minorities. He's also possibly war mongering and will about any fucking thing which can kill all the progress we've done these last 8 years keeping us out of shit. So what are people really voting for?
Saying "Never Hillary" "She's a liar" etc etc.. Just makes you sound dumb.
Saying "Never Hillary" "She's a liar" etc etc.. Just makes you sound dumb.
I don't recall showing any sort of hostility towards you, telling me to "get the fuck over" something and then discrediting any good I do in this world simply because I don't vote for your candidate (as stated before I'm voting Johnson) makes me wonder, why do good at all? Granted I will continue to be a good Samaritan because I don't believe in your reasoning.
I have my reasons for not voting Hillary, mostly the flip flopping, but I can't have that discussion with you, you already shown some anger in your post and once people start getting nasty, I have to walk away. Enjoy your holidays my friend.
There is no race, there is zero chance Trump will win, it's just another painful couple months of listening to him throw insults.
Hillary wins be default basically.
Hillary will finally give me legal marijuana right? That's all she has to say and you would think this would be a wrap. I don't care if I'm a Republican, put a Hillary pin on me and I'm good to go. If she can do that, and I don't ever have to worry about going to jail just because I smoked a joint? That's a beautiful thing.
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I think this is dangerous thinking. Trump has every chance of winning. Look at Brexit.
For the human race I hope Trump doesn't win. But I'd be lying if I said I didn't think the meltdowns would be amazing.
Something about that guy in control of the US's nuclear weapons is absolutely terrifying.
Corronchilejano
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Of course. Your sensibility that when you pay for college you're supposed to receive an education is one of those pillars being destroyed by Trump College.
What a visionary.
Bro the UK is like 93% white
As I look around me at the beach I see
White
Black
Puerto Rican
Indian
Asian people sitting around me
Do we count the super pale Irish people as Seperate as well? Because I see one of them as well and I fear for their skin will probably turn lobster by 12
It will never happen here in America.
I live in NY, I've seen diversity all my life
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Im Irish, I'm not pale.
93% white huh. By that kind of logic I could say 91% of Americans are Trump supporters
Edit: Britain is 87% white, wouldn't have thought that. Nevermind so, I'm the one with stupid logic.
This is the absolute most moronic stance to take right now. No offense.
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"Silent" "Majority"
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Pai Pai Master
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People like this are just afraid of publically admitting that they are hateful bigots.
biggersmaller
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Regrading the WaPo article:
I have family members who say this and there is no reasoning with them. It's understandable that Hillary is difficult to like, but to vote Donald Trump who openly bribed bureaucrats, lied about charitable giving, and ripped off everyday Joes via Trump "University" - among all ALL his other bullshit astounds and saddens me.
I think it would take Trump murdering a small child on live television before some people would concede he's not worth their vote.
I have family members who say this and there is no reasoning with them. It's understandable that Hillary is difficult to like, but to vote Donald Trump who openly bribed bureaucrats, lied about charitable giving, and ripped off everyday Joes via Trump "University" - among all ALL his other bullshit astounds and saddens me.
I think it would take Trump murdering a small child on live television before some people would concede he's not worth their vote.
Iorv3th
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I think there are far more of them than you suspect. Talking to my dad the other day and he said if it's like anything in the past, most people aren't going to publicly support trump because of the way people are treated like idiots if they do, but they will vote for him on election day, just not publicly support him before hand.
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I love how these GOP capitulation narratives require painting Hillary as some sort of fringe far leftist.
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I don't think you can really make that comparison. For example, much of the 2015 election was swung by the Conservatives portraying Labour as likely to kowtow to the SNP and splurge on Scottish voters. Xenophobia/nationalism is a more important motivator than racism, to the extent the two are distinct, so distinguishing between races but not nations misses a very important political cleavage that doesn't exist to the same extent in the US. The UK is 69% White English, as the main "social consciousness" or whatever you want to call it.
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Trump already said to his supporters that he could kill someone and they wouldn't care. That statement didn't negatively affect him during the primaries at all.
I have family members who think Trump "sounds smart" (LOL) and who get mad that I take a hard-line stance against him and won't discuss the "pros" to a Trump presidency.
Fuck that shit. He's a nauseating, lying, racist, orange asshole and that's a hill I'm willing to die on.
ETA: You can rest easy that their votes for him won't count. I'm in a solid blue state.
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biggersmaller
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Typically I would've said "Trump would have to threaten gun violence against innocent people before supporters would start tapering away."
Obviously I had to take it a little further with Trump voters.
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