OnionPowder
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Arrogant Sony is back, putting out a weak console that's actually a downgrade just so all the suckers still buy it. Sad.
PS4 Neo presentation might have leaked
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Arrogant Sony is back, putting out a weak console that's actually a downgrade just so all the suckers still buy it. Sad.
Power was just the icing on the cake. Like who expected the more powerful system to be cheaper at launch.
TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared
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I'd be surprised if it wasn't this year, not 2017 personally.
bitbydeath
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GDC had a closed door presentation mentioned in the first rumours, these slides were likely from that given the information hasn't changed.
StrongBlackVine
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Sony screwed up if we are stuck with this for 3 years. It kinda pushes me into the camp that this thing should not even exist.
But there is nothing to spin at all.
They're not starting a new gen earlier and with Neo they're not delivering a product with inferior specs coming out at the same time and with a more expensive price than the competition, which are all the reasons why the XB1 failed badly (among with the fact that they have a brand/marketing problem outside the US+UK).
They'll simply consolidate their leadership with a full year advantage on the market while enjoying a repeat of the PS2-Xbox scenario when the Scorpio is released.
Neo and Scorpio are different products which serve to different strategies.
I can see those updates info "Fixed game starting in PS4 Neo MODE while having PS4"
Sony should leave PS4 and focus on PS5. It's almost 3 years since the release and we had plenty of remasters working mostly in 30 fps with no graphics upgrades.
You're assuming Sony hasn't had an R&D team working on a PS5 since the PS4 launched? This is just a marginal update with a presumably marginal price to satiate 4K TV owners and people that don't already have a PS4. People with a PS4 getting the Neo is just gravy to them. It was never meant to be a PS5 or compete with the Scorpio. The Scorpio can come out in 18 months and the PS5 will be out a year or two after that. They won't be running on concurrent cycles anymore.
And people keep saying the Scorpio is way more powerful than the Neo. Well, it should be. It's a full console refresh for MS. It's a big enough leap in power to be called an Xbox2. The Neo was never meant to be a full refresh.
El-Pistolero
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No? The GPU is 2.3 times as powerful, so that it is what? A 4.2 TFlops just for the graphics card?
Dinky Dino
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I read that the specs aren't even finalized from polygon and kotaku sources. Still highly likely they will see what sony pumps out first and try to 1up it in any way. Wouldn't be surprised if they up it to 7 tflops if sony increases theirs. Gonna be interesting to see how this contest goes.
http://kotaku.com/sources-smaller-xbox-one-coming-this-year-more-powerf-1778634446
The Praiseworthy
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With the crazy sales of the PS4.... Yeah we will see PS5 holidays 2020/2021.
Jarod McChicken
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Oh yeah, nice guess I think !
meanspartan
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It puts people like me who are in the market for a Ps4 in an awkward situation. If this is a year away or whatever, I'll just buy a Ps4. But for now, I won't buy one if Neo is coming in 2016. I also don't know whether or not to keep my PSVR preorder- if after the launch window games you are basically going to need Neo so VR doesn't look like shit, I'd like to know.
If his thing is out this year and scorpio is next year. Ms is the one that miscalculated. A year difference is huge and MS does not have the WW appeal to catch up.
Karspankey
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How is double the power of something not a worthy upgrade? Think about what can be accomplished with double the power with what has been being achieved so far.
Aceofspades
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wut? Why running misinformation?
So when they showcase the neo, will they show both versions side by side?
That's just my opinion, I know absolutely nothing about their plans. But I don't suspect people will be too happy with a ps5 releasing a year after the neo. They might take that into account.
El-Pistolero
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Please explain! *in a Dalek's voice*...
MisterXDTV
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I find amusing the fact that people think Sony is worried about what MS does: in 90% of planet Earth, the Xbox brand is irrelevant no matter what they do....
Whether or not the Neo came out, I was not expecting ps5 before 2019. Especially with how long it takes to develop a game these days. 6 years is a normal length for a console cycle.
Didn't Shawn or Andy say that Neo is just a PS4 with respect to an 8 year traditional generation model?
So PS5 probably won't come until 4-5 years after Neo.
InsaneTiger
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Agreed. Power doesn't matter; a great price and muddled Xbox message is reason PS4 has sold 40+ million in units.
The idea that millions of PS4 owners are just gonna drop ship and go solo Scopio is stupid and not happening. If anything they would upgrade to Neo or buy the Scopio to supplement their gaming.
KoopaTheCasual
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Lol. Don't stop believing, I guess?
dead monkey uk
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Don't think so. PS3 had serious problems against Xbox 360. It had better CPU but a bit worse GPU. Xbox 360 sold for many years much better. Now let's move back to 2013. You know why Sony sold more PS4 over Xbox One? It was available worldwide almost immediately and it's much better than when we compare specifications.
I'll stick with NEO. Bought already many titles for PS4 so it would be a real waste of money for me. Looking forward to playing The Witcher 3 in 1080p 60fps but I really doubt it will come true
I am quite prepared to bet my copy of Knack that the Neo will sell more than the Scorpio
MS does not have enough worldwide appeal.I do not think this is true, was it not the case that the PS3 outsold the 360 every year it was on the market?. The 360 got in front in sales before the PS3 released.
Availability and spec is only part of why the PS4 is selling better. Xbox's lack of market share in Asia, Mainland Europe and Japan and PS4 doing better in the US is surely the main reason along with the launch price.
SolidSnakex
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I'd fully expect the PS5 by 2018. House has said that the Neo is coming out this year, or at least that's what they're targeting. So late 2018 would mean that the PS4 would be five years old (which is around the time of a traditional console cycle) and the Neo would be two years old. And it's not like either would be dropped like dead weight. Sony nor third party developers would do that. They'll be supported for several years after that before a full transition to the PS5.
I don't think Microsoft cares about selling consoles. Their priority has seemingly changed to selling as much software as possible, as there are seemingly no exclusive xbox one times coming out in the future. This may change, but pretty much all first party titles seem slated to release on pc.
ReplacementPelican
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PS4's price didn't exactly hurt it either, I'm sure Neo will be the same.
BigTnaples
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What? If this didn't exist you'd just be stuck with the original PS4 hardware.
That's the whole point, is so you don't feel "stuck" with outdated hardware like so many gamers did last gen.
If we would have had a mid gen refresh during the 360/PS3 gen that would have been amazing. Instead, by the end, consoles felt so dated, and they had overstayed their welcome.
Omnistalgic
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Im in a similar situation because Im ready to get a second PS4 so my wife and I can play Destiny together. but unfortunately, we are the minority in the gaming world. Informed enthusiasts if you will lol...We have to suffer. But I do like knowing about most things long before they blow up with mainstream.
CrispyBoar
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The people that cares about having the most power in a console happens to be in the minority (Hardcore gamers).
StrongBlackVine
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Microsoft was never going to catch up no matter what unless Sony really screwed up again PS3 style. As gamer locking Sony locking themselves into these underwhelming specs for at least 3 years is fucking disappointment. I'm sure it will be good for business, but that's not my concern.
If it still has a Jaguar CPU it is outdated from day one. I would rather have gotten a PS5 next year than be stuck with this half-step until 2019, but Sony is gonna milk the PS4 train as long as possible. It is smart business, but it sucks for me as I wanted a more substantial upgrade.
El-Pistolero
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It will also come out a year later and cost more (probably). It will not have an exclusive library either. So by the time it hits, it might be too late to make a dent in Sony leadership position...
House said it was one of the KEY motivations for Neo though. That doesn't sound like a bonus effect to me.
Because if they're trying to complete with PC then it makes sense to look at your competitor that's in the same space as you?
regardless I think these upgrades are stupid anyway
How do you sell software if there isn't hardware out there?
Omnistalgic
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I think he means how PS2 dominated because of software and market share despite xbox being vastly more powerful and capable machine.
The first part he is saying Neo isnt coming out at the same time as Scorpio, so its ok that its weaker.
Because it is stuck with a 5 year old netbook CPU. As far as I am concerned it is Zen or bust. I hope these documents are outdated and we see a NEO with a Zen even if it means waiting till 2017.
backbreaker65
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It's funny seeing people buying 2015 4k tv's, not knowing for the most part those TV's are pretty much obselete considering HDR10 and DolbyVision is a 2016 feature and not all 2016 models support HDR10/DolbyVision. Going out buying 4k tvs on the cheap without realizing you will not really see the benefits.
THE:MILKMAN
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This isn't always true. Gamers are fickle and change "loyalties" at the drop of a hat.
PS5 will come when they can get X times Neo power within a certain (~150W) power envelop deliverable at the right price.
Power did and does matter.
However, I feel like much of the disappointment and debates this generation comes from the fact that neither console was able to consistently hit 1080p. I mean, I bought a 1080p TV in 2009, so a late 2013 console being unable to hit native 1080p was and is definitely disappointing.
If both can consistently bring 1080p or better to the table, that's fine by me. Native 4K in demanding AAA games will be a pipe dream for both Neo and Scorpio regardless, so whatever.
BigTnaples
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Again you seem to be missing the point. Locking themselves into underwhelming specs is exactly what they ARENT doing. If not for NEO, you would just have current PS4 specs for 3 more years. With NEO, you have a console that's twice as powerful.
Not that difficult a concept really.
MisterXDTV
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RedAssedApe
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people are dreaming about 4K and scorpio as if its going to launch at the same time and price
Time and pricing will play a big role here.
Neo is a conservative but nice upgrade, optional purchase for those who want better looking PS4 games. Scorpio specs look to be much more expensive, and it will come out later and cater to much smaller userbase [that is already pushed to move their gaming to PC, get multiplatforms from Steam/Origin and few exclusives from WinStore].
I'm hoping for $400 and a trade program to lower it between $250-300.
I want to believe, :3
CrispyBoar
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No, it doesn't. If that were true, then either Sega Saturn, N64, Original Xbox, Gamecube, Xbox 360 or PS3 would've won over PS1, PS2 or the Wii.
There have been more games in Native 1080p on PS4 more so than on Xbox One.
actually now that j think about it. A year after the Scorpio doesn't seem that outlandish.
SplitYourInfinities
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Except it's not confirmed at all
If I understand correctly this means that the prototypes have to be returned early 2017 and that the mass production starts before that. "Before" is a long enough time-frame, in fact production could start tomorrow, but let's use a thing called common sense. If the prototype devkits are going to be supported until Spring 2017 is probably because the final hardware won't be available until then. So yeah, even if it's not explicitly stated in the document it's clear that the the product won't be ready this year.
El-Pistolero
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Your post makes zero sense. As in, the alternative to being stuck for 3 years with the Neo is being stuck for 7 years with the Vanilla PS4, which I am fine with personally...