Jason Bourne RT watch 57%

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Tansut said:
The second one, which I think is the worst offender of it personally.
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The second one has by far the best cinematography of the Bourne films. Well, it's pretty much the best of the Bourne films in every regard except maaaaybe action sequences, which Ultimatum has a pretty strong claim to.
 
I couldn't find the Hotel Brecker scene when Bourne wants a room, but this is the best I could find on YT since there aren't many scenes on the site:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMJ-xx8_ZoU

Yes, it's the fight scene in Jarda's home, but watch it before the fight begins. You don't have rapid editing or shaky cam going on.

Like I said, Supremacy has a lot of scenes that are traditionally shot. It wasn't until Ultimatum that Greengrass ramped it up.
 
Jason's Ultimatum said:
Yeah, Ultimatum's rapid editing doesn't help at all with the shaky cam.
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Ultimatum also does a lot more of those random zooms and the framing isn't as clear. Supermacy also uses a a color palette that's both aesthetically pleasing, and makes things easy to read. Lots of cool gray/white backgrounds, pops of bright yellow or red, and the Bourne cuts a clear silhouette in black. Ultimatum everything is kind of beige-y, which isn't as striking visually, and makes things a little murkier when you're trying to follow along with the action.
 
Hope they still do the classic bourne calling someone and calling their bluff because he's somewhere else or something.

Always loved those moments.
 
WickedLaharl said:
There's a lot of things i can understand the appeal of even though i personally don't like them but shaky cam is not one of them.
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The Bourne films use them well. Not only do they add a sense of gritty urgency to the action by slightly obfuscating the brutality of it (what you can't clearly see sometimes makes it seem worse than it is) while still holding clear framing and are generally well edited, but thematically the handheld style really works for the narrative of Bourne because he is a character who is constantly on the move and his own identity is completely destabilized, so it makes sense that the cinematography would reflect this by plunging us into his subjective interiority as best it can.
 
Hoping it pulls through. But depending, this could be an interesting look at how what used to work and thrill 9 years ago, doesn't anymore
 
Fancy Clown said:
The Bourne films use them well. Not only do they add a sense of gritty urgency to the action by slightly obfuscating the brutality of it (what you can't clearly see sometimes makes it seem worse than it is) while still holding clear framing and are generally well edited, but thematically the handheld style really works for the narrative of Bourne because he is a character who is constantly on the move and his own identity is completely destabilized, so it makes sense that the cinematography would reflect this by plunging us into his subjective interiority as best it can.
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I was gonna say "because I find it funny when people complain about it".
And what you said.
 
I'm just done with that shaky camera shit Greengrass has in his bourne movies. It was especially bad in Ultimatum and these reviews don't make it sound any better.
 
Interesting, I remember people were optimistic the shakycam would be reduced because Greengrass was working with a different cinematographer than BS or BI.
 
ZeroX03 said:
I do too, but he had to burn bridges with Universal to get us the Identity we have today.
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I've just about dug up every kind of news, articles, and quotes on the production of Identity. I really wish someone would write a book about its production. There are so many things I've read, like Liman being fired, and the producer and Gilroy finishing the ending half of the film. Also, Liman wrote an outline or a script, and it was pretty bad according to Gilroy. Like really bad. But Liman and Damon fought tooth and nail to have the film we have today, as you've said.

Gilroy said about Liman he has no sense of storytelling, no cause and effect when directing. The whole production was just one giant mess, lol.
 
Jigolo said:
I hate that everyone judges a movie based on it's RT score.
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I have to agree, movies like Star Wars Episode 2 Attack of the Clones, Iron Man 2, Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull, Terminator 3, Iron Man 3, Star Wars Episode 3 Revenge of the Sith, Spectre, The Hobbit: Battle of Five Armies, Quantum of Solace, Star Trek: Into Darkness, Thor The Dark World, Jurassic World and Spider Man 3 are all fresh on rotten tomatoes and those movies get a ton of hate everywhere!
 
Bourne you were suppose to save the summer.

And god at that Spectre comment, that movie was a lifeless bore all the way through, no fucking way it's a Spectre level shitshow. The Bourne 2nd unit action team will at least deliver the goods even if Greengrass didn't.
 
TBI was much more of a thinking person's film than the sequels. There was action but you had to pay attention during the quiet parts to understand what was going on.
 
FStop7 said:
TBI was much more of a thinking person's film than the sequels. There was action but you had to pay attention during the quiet parts to understand what was going on.
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It's interesting, because the Variety review mentions that TBI still holds up well compared to the Greengrass films. The ending to TBI always puts a smile on my face when Marie asks if Bourne has an ID, and the Moby song plays while they hug and smile.
 
BronsonLee said:
That stuff about Identity definitely explains why Supremacy fucking sucked so much RE: offing Marie for no goddamn reason
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It was Tony Gilroy's decision to kill her off. Gilroy's original Supremacy script was going to be his The Searchers. Gilroy sent an email to Damon saying killing her off will result in Bourne being silent throughout the film.

Don't know how having Marie alive would've made the films better? I mean she slows him down at his best. I think there was another plot point for Supremacy where The Chinese kidnap Marie.
 
Reviews put me in a tough spot for this film. No one I know really cares or watched the Bourne films and mediocre reviews aren't going to change anyone's mind now. Guess I gotta decide if I want to catch the film on my own or not, but I'm a huge Bourne fan so I'll probably end up going. Maybe I'll swing by for the last matinee showing on Tuesday which is also a discount day at my local theater.
 
On a side note, I can't wait for hollywood to do the hollywood adaptation of all this russia hacking the DNC emails thing.


Did that snowden movie ever come out?
 
Jason's Ultimatum said:
Is there anything you liked about the film? Something that felt fresh or different from the others?
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Nah. Not really. I think even Damon was a bit boring and, well, old. There was one hilarious chase scene with a SWAT vehicle though. It was quite much like something out of The Transformers movie. I grinned a lot. The best bits were Greengrass' directing and quite entertaining Vincent Cassel (I like him a lot). Even Vikander was kinda dull.

My boss thought it's a 4/5 movie though, he was really entertained.

Violet_0 said:
since nobody did so yet, let me ask the important question - how does it compare to Spectre?
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I need to confess. I gave Spectre a 4/5. I have a really soft spot for Bonds. I need to rewatch it to see if it still holds that rating. I think Spectre is way better than Quantum of Solace.

Jeffrey said:
Did that snowden movie ever come out?
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Coming out in September.
 
Why is above 50% ever "yikes"?

That means you literally have a 50/50 chance of liking it (not factoring whether you like action movies, some movies play worse or better for "critics", etc). Those are good odds.
 
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