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For the record, I did not mind the shaky cam in the previous films at all whatsoever.



And yet, fuck this movie's cinematography. Dear god.
 
Tron 2.0 said:
A huge step down from the first 3 films, but still enjoyable.

All the technology garbage was grating, though. I understand having to do something to make "hacking" cinematic, but this was "CSI"-level nonsense.
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I laughed out loud when a vaguely blonde looking blob got CSI-enhanced into a perfect picture of Julia Stiles's face.
 
Something has unquestionably been lost in all the time since Ultimatum. This is a franchise that pioneered such a welcome change in contemporary action cinema that has, in all the time since, become old hat and in dire need of another paradigm shift. Having accomplished that once before, perhaps I went into the latest Bourne expecting too much ambition but it is, in essence, just another film in the franchise. It evokes all the same iconography, the same score, similar characters, similar action, and ends once again with Moby.

Which is fine, that's part of the nature of this franchise I guess, and it's largely enjoyable for it. But after getting the band back together (minus Tony Gilroy on story duties) it just feels like everyone is proving they remember how to make a Bourne movie, rather than something more progressive. It's also surprisingly awkward in a few areas -- Julia Stiles is dreadful in this, and the post-Snowden and social media-driven subplot never comes off as remotely natural. Tommy Lee Jones is always reliable but his character is just a bit too much of a caricature for this world. There's also a scene with a hacker doing their best Sith Lord impression that had me groaning -- replete with a "Join me" line too.

I can't help but be disappointed by the fact it's merely good, as it almost always seems pointed at greatness without ever getting there. The film ends on an interesting note about the future. If it's successful enough, I'd be excited to see where it goes with it. There's an opportunity for change in the franchise, a way to shake things up the same way the second film did after the first. I hope they take it...
 
I liked it! Story pace was faster than I thought it shouldn't been but the action was dope. A few nonsensical elements, sure, and definitely the weakest out of the original trilogy bit way better then that Legacy crap, which at this point was all I needed.
 
Nudull said:
So, probably a good thing that I didn't choose this as my first Bourne movie?
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....I don't get why you'd ever do that?

Anyway I saw this. Action was great but it definitely drags and the plot is pretty thin. Tommy Lee phones it in. It's entertaining but a 7/10 AT BEST. If you consider yourself a harsh critic then drop to to a 5 or 6/10.

My only complaint is it took too long to get to the action sometimes. Build up is good but not when it lasts too long and not when it's not very interesting.
 
ZeroX03 said:
You realize he didn't force him into anything? He chose to come back because he thought there was a story there, after all, he wrote it. Save the conspiracies for the big screen.
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Yeah him and Rouse came up with an idea. They took a year to develop the script.

If you read my OT on the production, I give a timeline going back to Bourne 4. Greengrass and Damon were on board for Bourne 4, but they couldn't get a working script, and supposedly Greengrass got pissed when Zetumer was brought in to write a parallel script. This caused Greengrass to walk away.

Nolfi or the other writer from Ultimatum, which I can't remember, was writing the script too. Bourne 4 had Bourne going to South America.

I really want to know what plots they had for an idea throughout the years. Gilroy apparently wrote a "Bourne Bible" that detailed how Universal could continue making more films.
 
Caught it this afternoon.

Story is an absolute mess and had me rolling my eyes on multiple occasions in the cinema. It's awful in a way that I can only describe as Spectre like.

Otherwise, I enjoyed it.

But it's nowhere near on the level of the first three Bourne movies in basically any catagory.
 
Jason's Ultimatum said:
Yeah him and Rouse came up with an idea. They took a year to develop the script.

If you read my OT on the production, I give a timeline going back to Bourne 4. Greengrass and Damon were on board for Bourne 4, but they couldn't get a working script, and supposedly Greengrass got pissed when Zetumer was brought in to write a parallel script. This caused Greengrass to walk away.

Nolfi or the other writer from Ultimatum, which I can't remember, was writing the script too. Bourne 4 had Bourne going to South America.

I really want to know what plots they had for an idea throughout the years. Gilroy apparently wrote a "Bourne Bible" that detailed how Universal could continue making more films.
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Did the Justin Lin version have any traction or was that mostly just an announcement that went nowhere?
 
i kinda need this type of movie in my system atm.

I went to the theaters for Taken 3. This can't be worse than that right?
 
MMarston said:
My theater lost it at the word "enhance"
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I lost it nearly 5-10 minutes in when
run predictive algorithm was typed into the terminal LOL

edit: Bottom line: Not worth the money to watch in theatres, wait until it comes out on Netflix or streaming video services.
 
I liked it. Saw it yesterday and though it wasn't great as Bourne Identity it was great to see Jason Bourne back in action.
 
Shalashaska said:
Ugh, they did this again? That's really disappointing.
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I think the problem is not the shaky cam, but that the shaky cam is done with a really long focal distance, like they zoomed in from really far away. Each frame is really poorly composed and it really shows in the fast cuts.
 
I mean Greengrass is Greengrass, so you just need to be okay with how he shoots his films.
But man, yeah, the story is crap. lol

Jason's Ultimatum said:
Either it's on hold or canned. I forget which. Kinda sketchy about him directing and the writer they brought on, or at least at the time.
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Well, we got an okay Star Trek movie instead I guess.
 
I think more than ever Jason Bourne's character was written as just coasting it, and not showing any sense of life. It was sorta boring. Jeremy Renner's Aaron Cross was a far more entertaining assassin and person. Legacy 2 still better be happening.
 
Patroklos said:
I think more than ever Jason Bourne's character was written as just coasting it, and not showing any sense of life. It was sorta boring. Jeremy Renner's Aaron Cross was a far more entertaining assassin and person. Legacy 2 still better be happening.
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I think people joked about it in the thread, but it really doesn't make sense how everyone keeps fucking with Bourne.

Of course the movies should have just ended with Ultimatum, because having to retcon the whole Pamela Landy thing makes this even more silly - how many secret programs can the US government have? Is Bourne just going to keep being dragged into a plot because someone he cares dies and then confront the big boss in a tiny room before getting into a car chase?

It's weird, I was really looking forward to this movie. But now I'd be okay if the franchise just died until they can actually come up with a reason to make one that isn't just a rehash of the previous films.
 
A franchise like this can live on with better quality if there is a new assassin lead to carry the torch moving forward, and I think Aaron Cross was perfectly suitable for that. I don't understand where the hate for his character comes from. Not all assassins have to be stone-cold robots, showing little emotion. They can be both witty and calculating. For example, Assassin's Creed games keep it fresh by having a new assassin every time. Although, that said, you could draw a comparison to the Assassin Creed II trilogy and the Bourne trilogy. Both were excellent.
 
My eyes actually started hurting trying to follow some of the action scenes.

Preferred Legacy to this one also.
 
Jason's Ultimatum said:
The problem with Aaron Cross is you don't care for his character, unlike Bourne. You don't develop an emotional attachment.
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I cared for his character more than Bourne. I found him more relatable.

Sure, he didn't feel lost with amnesia like Bourne, but his reactions to people were interesting. I liked the conversations he had in scenes.
 
TrumanBurbank said:
Isn't Ethan Hunt that anyways.
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I like the Mission Impossible movies but I have no idea what Ethan Hunt's personality is supposed to be. They got more personal with him in the 3rd movie but that was brushed away later. He's just sorta bland, nothing distinctive about him.
 
This was ok.

It would have been better with one fewer location visited internationally (ditch Berlin for example) and with less shaky cam.

<3 Alicia Vikander tho
 
Just finished watching the film. Going to have to say that the bits about
social media
did negatively affect the films pacing, but it was an enjoyable Bourne film regardless. Ending lacked the impact that the others had though.
 
It was in my opinion, the weakest film in the series, although I didn't hate it nearly as much as the old man sitting behind me who decided to shout to high heaven and make sure the entire theater heard him express how they killed the franchise with this film.
 
My audience laughed at enhance.

They also laughed at the Extreme Ways because there's no cool moment it's used for like in the original trilogy.
It's just Bourne walking in a park.
 
I'm disappointed by this one, and it's the first Damon Bourne movie I've been disappointed with.

The writing was erratic and there were too many movie cliches.
 
Shalashaska said:
Ugh, they did this again? That's really disappointing.
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Yeah. We live in a world where action masterpieces like The Raid, Dredd, John Wick, and Mad Max Fury Road exist. There's no excuse for falling back on a very dated style of camerawork where there's no coherency to the action scenes. We've come full-circle and arrived at a time when holding the fucking frame and letting the stunt work and choreography do it's job is once again the way to go.
 
SolidChamp said:
Yeah. We live in a world where action masterpieces like The Raid, Dredd, John Wick, and Mad Max Fury Road exist. There's no excuse for falling back on a very dated style of camerawork where there's no coherency to the action scenes. We've come full-circle and arrived at a time when holding the fucking frame and letting the stunt work and choreography do it's job is once again the way to go.
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It's Greengrass. I mean, that's just how he shoots movies. It'd be like asking Terrance Malick not to have a scene where the camera chases a girl running into a field or something,

TrumanBurbank said:
Box Office: Matt Damon’s ‘Jason Bourne’ Rules with $61 Million/

Wow. We are going to get more Bourne for sure now.
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Well, if they have to do more, I hope they find a better reason than him joining the government for no good reason.
 
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