Don't remember the brother part. Thought she just mentioned having the heart.
[SPOILER THREAD] Suicide Squad
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Don't remember the brother part. Thought she just mentioned having the heart.
It wasn't a dumpster fire, but it wasn't good.
The crash scene of all scenes had no music of any kind and it was supposed to be gripping and tense. Totally fell flat.
When the whole premise relies on the stakes being extremely high and how likely they all are to die, the stakes seemed pretty low and they kinda just had it taken care of. Waller was so impressed by Enchantress turning grandmas into an army, but it seemed like you need a cloud of them to get anything done. Harley took out a bunch with relative ease.
Also, Harley and Boomerang seemed super out of place and outclassed by the rest of the gang. Here's this God, a pyrokinetic, a dude with superhuman aim, the best soldier the country has apparently ever seen... and a girl with a bat. Giving her the 'get off of my boat!' moment was super groanworthy for this reason, too.
Katana was underused and still getting piecemeal exposition in the climax of the movie. For everything this script made light of, it really could've stood to mock how stilted and over-serious Flag explaining her backstory was. Got an eye roll from me every time. 'Her sword seals the souls of its victims! She can cut you in half with a single sword stroke!' The whole movie is a joke and that's the thing they let slide?
And the subtitle font. What were they thinking?
The crash scene of all scenes had no music of any kind and it was supposed to be gripping and tense. Totally fell flat.
When the whole premise relies on the stakes being extremely high and how likely they all are to die, the stakes seemed pretty low and they kinda just had it taken care of. Waller was so impressed by Enchantress turning grandmas into an army, but it seemed like you need a cloud of them to get anything done. Harley took out a bunch with relative ease.
Also, Harley and Boomerang seemed super out of place and outclassed by the rest of the gang. Here's this God, a pyrokinetic, a dude with superhuman aim, the best soldier the country has apparently ever seen... and a girl with a bat. Giving her the 'get off of my boat!' moment was super groanworthy for this reason, too.
Katana was underused and still getting piecemeal exposition in the climax of the movie. For everything this script made light of, it really could've stood to mock how stilted and over-serious Flag explaining her backstory was. Got an eye roll from me every time. 'Her sword seals the souls of its victims! She can cut you in half with a single sword stroke!' The whole movie is a joke and that's the thing they let slide?
And the subtitle font. What were they thinking?
I guess she tried to by poking it with a stick but Enchantress got a new one right away or something from her brother? I have no idea
Cipher Peon
Banned
I'm coming home from watching the movie and...
Oh my fucking god. 10/10 doesn't even cover it.
One of the absolute greatest films I've ever seen in my life. I'm still shaking and I left the movie about two hours ago. Wow...
Oh my fucking god. 10/10 doesn't even cover it.
One of the absolute greatest films I've ever seen in my life. I'm still shaking and I left the movie about two hours ago. Wow...
broncobuster
Banned
She went to town on it with her pen. Reckon one could argue she's selfish and wanted to keep her alive to continue exploiting get. It's all very silly.
Oh yeah he did seem to give one to her or something. She still could have, oh I don't know, torn it in half and she would have never gotten as strong as she did.
Wasn't it hooked up to like a self destruct bomb in that case? I thought that was the implication at least but they never said what the case did
But then they still got the heart from the case later because they used Waller's thumbprint to open it after they captured her.
All they said was that she was like borrowing her brothers power after he did whatever that was to her when she was getting her heart poked so she still needed her heart eventually and Waller could've killed her at any time and oh god this movie is so stupid
I absolutely hated this movie.
I still can't get over "he can scale any building" as the description for Rope-Guy. Seriously, what the fuck was that? I get that he's a plot device, but come on, you couldn't have done ANYTHING better?
I'm surprised people say they like this better than Batman V. Superman but I simply didn't. Not that I loved that either, but I simply couldn't get into this movie and that really bums me out.
I still can't get over "he can scale any building" as the description for Rope-Guy. Seriously, what the fuck was that? I get that he's a plot device, but come on, you couldn't have done ANYTHING better?
I'm surprised people say they like this better than Batman V. Superman but I simply didn't. Not that I loved that either, but I simply couldn't get into this movie and that really bums me out.
Scrooge McDuck
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Though, "he can scale any building" is still a much better endorsement then anything Captain Boomerang had.
BvS bored me to death so it's really the only reason I put this above it. It also tried to do way too much whereas this movie is a lot more focused, leaving you to digest the absurdity of it more easily.
Boomerang had a pink unicorn though.
Because quirky.
I actually really liked Jai as Boomerang, he needed more to say and do. That unicorn fetish though was completely irrelevant, but if there's two words that best describe a lot of the stuff in this it would be "completely irrelevant".
I think the greater overall focus made me hate it more, because allowing me time to mull over the insane plot points they tried to make happen only made me critique their flaws longer.
And I say that as someone that will defend a good Summer Blockbuster, as someone that can enjoy a movie with light or a few plotholes. But this? I just couldn't do it. And it really bums me out because I really love the base idea.
EraldoCoil
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Mediocre at best. I feel there could be a decent movie in there but it was cut to hell.....I felt the soundtrack was awful (the songs are all great on their own) but their placement in the film was horrible especially the "Without Me" scene.
Saw it in Imax...whole crowd was pretty dead, barely any laughs from the audience, and there were no lines at all and I saw it at the busiest theater in my city.
Bats and Boomerang were great
I was hype for Katana the most but they did shit with her.
Saw it in Imax...whole crowd was pretty dead, barely any laughs from the audience, and there were no lines at all and I saw it at the busiest theater in my city.
Bats and Boomerang were great
I was hype for Katana the most but they did shit with her.
BrightLightLava
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Did anyone catch what it said on Harly Quinn's little video game instroduction stat sheet about Robin?
It was in the lower left corner, but but those things where such a visual mess I didn't realize get to it before it went away.
It was in the lower left corner, but but those things where such a visual mess I didn't realize get to it before it went away.
Scrooge McDuck
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Not the exact words, but pretty much: "Helped kill Robin."
Citizen_Insane
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I believe it said "accomplice in the murder of Robin"
Callibretto
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So, just come out of theatres. Just wondering one thing, where is Batman and Wonder Woman. The incident is pretty public, right? And it lasted for at least 3 days. So how come Batman only show up in flashback and not actively try to deal with Enchantress.
BrightLightLava
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ShemhazaiX
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Can't tell if sarcasm.
LiquidSolid
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I just got back from watching Jason Bourne and Suicide Squad in a row and blurgh, what a double hit of disappointment. To me, SS suffers from much of the same problems BvS did. Some great bits, some baffling bits, some absolutely pointless bits and all over the place editing.
I think I might need to watch Mad Max: Fury Road before going to bed, just to wash the mediocrity off me.
I think I might need to watch Mad Max: Fury Road before going to bed, just to wash the mediocrity off me.
Monocle
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Impressions:
- Deadshot is well done. Good back story. I was concerned that Will Smith would play Will Smith, but he made the character believable despite not being able to conceal his distinctiveness as well as other actors.
- Harley is perfect. She need a solo film ASAP.
- Nice to see more of Batfleck. Not buying this Justice League business for a second though. It's a far cry from The Avengers, I can tell you that right now.
- Rope Guy existed just to climb a building and get his head blown off, lol. What a role.
- Leto's Joker was a huge letdown. He brings very little to the performance that wasn't already shown in the trailers. Seriously, he's in the movie for like 10 minutes and most of the time he's doing some variation of his forced laugh or mugging for the camera. Harley outclasses him in every way. He looks creepy and intimidating sometimes, but that's about it. Nothing compelling about his version of the character at all. Please indulge me while I direct the toppest of lels toward the people who were saying Leto would outdo Ledger's Joker. NOPE.
- The story is so half baked. Mean boss lady creates the Suicide Squad because metahumans are a thing, and all they do is pick her up and then deal with the global threat she herself created by trying to control Enchantress. Speaking of which...
- Enchantress is fucking awesome. Best part of the movie besides Harley and maybe Deadshot. So cool. I know a lot of GAF will find her cheesy but I love her character. A creepy witchy lady and badass goddess rolled into one? Hell yes. (The head tracking effect in some of the last scenes was kind of poor, but whatever.)
- Was boss lady justified in gunning down that roomful of people just to show what a hardass she is? I'm pretty sure that's not cool, even if they really didn't have clearance or whatever.
- Tonally, this movie is all over the place. Most of the individual characters work. A lot of them have great chemistry. It's watching them interact with government and military people, and go on missions in the relentlessly dark and self-serious world of the DC-verse, where things fall apart. Suicide Squad feels like it wants to be Guardians of the Galaxy one minute and a harsh, gritty Batman movie the next. You've got a pretty jarring discontinuity between the world we're shown and the phony style it's dressed up in.
- In line with that last point, the colorful graphical effects and hit-filled soundtrack feel like contrived efforts to tweak the mood of the film after everything had been shot. There's some sense of the actors, director, writer(s), editor, and art people being on not quite the same page. I don't know if the problem is focus tested changes and executive meddling, but something feels off there.
- DC movies are ugly as hell. Suicide Squad's night scenes are almost depressing to look at.
Marvel movies are as calculated and controlled as they come, but they feel authentic and usually nail tone, humor, and style on top of whatever else they're trying to do. DC movies are like the products of an alternate universe Marvel, where the ingredients are there but they don't gel properly, and the result is this unsettling stew of mixed messages.
Overall: the movie has a number of enjoyable bits but it's a mess. Definitely somewhere around Batman v Superman tier. Can't tell you if it's better or worse until I think about it some more.
- Deadshot is well done. Good back story. I was concerned that Will Smith would play Will Smith, but he made the character believable despite not being able to conceal his distinctiveness as well as other actors.
- Harley is perfect. She need a solo film ASAP.
- Nice to see more of Batfleck. Not buying this Justice League business for a second though. It's a far cry from The Avengers, I can tell you that right now.
- Rope Guy existed just to climb a building and get his head blown off, lol. What a role.
- Leto's Joker was a huge letdown. He brings very little to the performance that wasn't already shown in the trailers. Seriously, he's in the movie for like 10 minutes and most of the time he's doing some variation of his forced laugh or mugging for the camera. Harley outclasses him in every way. He looks creepy and intimidating sometimes, but that's about it. Nothing compelling about his version of the character at all. Please indulge me while I direct the toppest of lels toward the people who were saying Leto would outdo Ledger's Joker. NOPE.
- The story is so half baked. Mean boss lady creates the Suicide Squad because metahumans are a thing, and all they do is pick her up and then deal with the global threat she herself created by trying to control Enchantress. Speaking of which...
- Enchantress is fucking awesome. Best part of the movie besides Harley and maybe Deadshot. So cool. I know a lot of GAF will find her cheesy but I love her character. A creepy witchy lady and badass goddess rolled into one? Hell yes. (The head tracking effect in some of the last scenes was kind of poor, but whatever.)
- Was boss lady justified in gunning down that roomful of people just to show what a hardass she is? I'm pretty sure that's not cool, even if they really didn't have clearance or whatever.
- Tonally, this movie is all over the place. Most of the individual characters work. A lot of them have great chemistry. It's watching them interact with government and military people, and go on missions in the relentlessly dark and self-serious world of the DC-verse, where things fall apart. Suicide Squad feels like it wants to be Guardians of the Galaxy one minute and a harsh, gritty Batman movie the next. You've got a pretty jarring discontinuity between the world we're shown and the phony style it's dressed up in.
- In line with that last point, the colorful graphical effects and hit-filled soundtrack feel like contrived efforts to tweak the mood of the film after everything had been shot. There's some sense of the actors, director, writer(s), editor, and art people being on not quite the same page. I don't know if the problem is focus tested changes and executive meddling, but something feels off there.
- DC movies are ugly as hell. Suicide Squad's night scenes are almost depressing to look at.
Marvel movies are as calculated and controlled as they come, but they feel authentic and usually nail tone, humor, and style on top of whatever else they're trying to do. DC movies are like the products of an alternate universe Marvel, where the ingredients are there but they don't gel properly, and the result is this unsettling stew of mixed messages.
Overall: the movie has a number of enjoyable bits but it's a mess. Definitely somewhere around Batman v Superman tier. Can't tell you if it's better or worse until I think about it some more.
I did the same thing, lol. And I feel just the same way.
nephilimdj
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Really thought it was just okay, nothing stood out which is crazy for a superhero movie.
Without Will Smith this movie would of been junk, generic American soldier was even worse then the generic american soldier in godzilla.. ffs
Without Will Smith this movie would of been junk, generic American soldier was even worse then the generic american soldier in godzilla.. ffs
Ugh. I thought the three minute trailer covered the premise enough for me to be on board at least with the concept. I see a movie where the first hour is exposition and then scrambles to find a reason let alone a plot in the second half to hold it together.
Also watching near invincible heroes totally not kill totally not human enemies in a bloodless PG-13 way for an hour with no chance of them being in danger, ever, continues to be extremely boring for me.
I hope this is the movie that breaks my family so I don't have to burn anymore family movie nights on DC films.
Also watching near invincible heroes totally not kill totally not human enemies in a bloodless PG-13 way for an hour with no chance of them being in danger, ever, continues to be extremely boring for me.
I hope this is the movie that breaks my family so I don't have to burn anymore family movie nights on DC films.
Joke post? Please elaborate.
Without a shadow of a doubt, same level as the Dark Knight for me.
Why do I feel like this is a sarcastic post lol. Elaborate?
mariachi507
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Nah guys, that's just Cypher. He's not trolling or anything, he just likes what he likes. Just hope you never have to sit in a movie theater with him though.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
What the fuck!? Revealing that in a "blink and you'll miss it" moment feels so wrong. I know the Robin suit in the Batcave pretty much confirmed it, but still.
bananafactory
Banned
Why is Harley even recruited? She has no powers, just beats people up with a bat and shoots others.
What does Waller get from her she can't get from a well trained soldier?
What does Waller get from her she can't get from a well trained soldier?
She was nicknamed the Wild Card in her intro. Always gotta have a wild card.
It felt like Amanda just recruited whoever she had in the person.
She has no powers, but she is extremely dangerous and well-trained. I mean she does beat up the guards
MooseKnuckles
Banned
Just got home from seeing this. Was legitimately terrible. Like, nothing remotely interesting or entertaining happened the entire time - almost every beat fell entirely flat. All the music choices came across as very forced and tonally it was all over the place - the character bio cards popping up felt like they were from an entirely different movie.
When they started talking about 'family' at the end I feel like my eyes rolled out of my head. None of these characters seemed to even develop a semblance of a relationship (Deadshot and Harley get close, but only because they're the only ones who seem to have multiple lines of dialogue together), and after 4 hours together in this city they're suddenly a close knit group. The whole thing just felt sloppy.
When they started talking about 'family' at the end I feel like my eyes rolled out of my head. None of these characters seemed to even develop a semblance of a relationship (Deadshot and Harley get close, but only because they're the only ones who seem to have multiple lines of dialogue together), and after 4 hours together in this city they're suddenly a close knit group. The whole thing just felt sloppy.
Spike Spiegel
Member
Maybe Waller figured that anyone who goes up against a murderous psychopath like the Batman and survives is someone worth having on the team.
Skiptastic
Member
There is so much wrong with this movie on so many fundamental levels that I am looking forward to this thread in three days and seeing how many new things wrong with the film other people spot.
This is the problem with every shared universe. Who knows. Maybe they are in their new adventures. Maybe Batman doesn't care if it's not Gotham, or he thinks he wouldn't be very useful. Maybe Wonder Woman was with him on a honeymoon. It's a mystery.
NealMcCauley
Member
Maybe 12 minutes max.
How soon until Flash makes this entire universe go away, or mold into something more concrete and positive?
It's going to happen, just a matter of when is the question. I have a feeling this will be written off as some sort of dark timeline, and at the end of Justice League Flash resets the universe, and Geoff Johns DCEU begins with Batfleck, and they somehow manage to keep Wonder Woman.
It's going to happen, just a matter of when is the question. I have a feeling this will be written off as some sort of dark timeline, and at the end of Justice League Flash resets the universe, and Geoff Johns DCEU begins with Batfleck, and they somehow manage to keep Wonder Woman.
blueyesdevil
Banned
The story was absolute garbage, the only thing that barely keeps the movie floating is the individual performance of some of the characters.
It's so funny to me that Flash can basically act as their failsafe plan should they need an excuse to reboot or pretend like these films never happened. I still like the theory that the current DCEU can just turn into the Crime Syndicate universe even though it really doesn't make sense for it to.
I don't have high hopes for Justice League but Wonder Woman looks pretty good. The solo Batman film is really the only thing I have hope for in this DCEU though.
Anton Sugar
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This is true but it stands out, in particular, here, considering how many of them are caught by Batman/Justice League.
Boomerang got caught by the flash for stealing diamonds. It's a little weird that this event didn't attract more attention from them.
Someone needs to edit the Always Sunny WILD CARD, BITCHES" gif so that Charlie has Harley makeup.
Glass Shark
Banned
They survived a violent helicopter crash with no deaths or even injuries. There was no reason for it to happen other than "oh, here's a cool looking thing we can show on screen."
Way too high. It's like 4 minutes.
Glass Shark
Banned
I dunno... I went back and looked at the BvS spoiler thread and people (myself included) were eviscerating that movie. I thought SS was even worse than BvS personally, but opinions on GAF seem skewed more positive.
But honestly this movie was a dumpster fire, one of the worst action movies I've ever seen. Definitely the worst superhero movie.
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