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[SPOILER THREAD] Suicide Squad
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Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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I liked BvS more. They were both trainwrecks but at least Zack Snyder's movies look good and he has an eye for action scenes. All of the action scenes in Suicide Squad were completely forgettable and the end was terrible. Devin Faraci was pretty on point when he described Incubus as looking like something out of a late 90s Brendan Fraser Mummy movie.
Colonel Nasty
Member
"Own that shit"
I keep thinking about that line.
I keep thinking about that line.
EdibleExplosives
Member
I loved the part when Boomerang leaves then is suddenly back with the squad in the next scene. Also Deadshot and Harley being introduced twice, as well as Waller explaining the Suicide Squad twice, was fantastic. All those songs. Great editing!
Harley getting angry was one of the best parts of the movie.
Harley getting angry was one of the best parts of the movie.
The Broken Ska Record
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I saw it last night and I thought it was better than BvS. Only slightly better though. The movie tried to hard to be "edgy and cool" by punctuating certain scenes with popular music, but it just felt unnecessary. There were only a few characters that actually felt like they did anything. Croc was just a background character for 99% of the movie. Katana could have been replaced by anybody and nothing would have changed. And don't forget Rick "Exposition" Flagg.
I also really didn't like how big they were trying to get with the premise. They should have started smaller and then had it graduate in to the big ending, rather than going there right away. Despite having such a big "threat," the story still felt like it didn't matter. There were very little shots that showed the scope outside of a few shots of civilians in the beginning and the vortex in the city.
I really did like the Flash cameo when they showed Captain Boomerang though and Viola Davis killed as Waller.
I wrote way more than I cared to about this movie. It was bad, not "insult you" bad, but at least it was done.
I also really didn't like how big they were trying to get with the premise. They should have started smaller and then had it graduate in to the big ending, rather than going there right away. Despite having such a big "threat," the story still felt like it didn't matter. There were very little shots that showed the scope outside of a few shots of civilians in the beginning and the vortex in the city.
I really did like the Flash cameo when they showed Captain Boomerang though and Viola Davis killed as Waller.
I wrote way more than I cared to about this movie. It was bad, not "insult you" bad, but at least it was done.
The bar scene was the height of the movie for me.
I keep thinking about the weird visual elements they introduce in the first 20 mins of the film... then never ever bring back
I think they should have kept with it
Make the flashback/dream sequences trippy like that
Transition to a new city/introduce new char... do that
Don't half-arse it
Or cut it
Glass Shark
Banned
they should just get people who make the trailers to make movies
The Broken Ska Record
Member
They kinda did with this. The people who did the trailer helped with the re-edit IIRC.
peanutbutterlatte
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Someone seriously needs to teach Ayer "show, not tell". Like Deadshot is a family man? Reveal that gradually via dialogue. Enchantress and Flagg are romantically linked? Reveal it gradually. Would have been much more effective if that bar scene was the first we heard of it.
I hate to compare, but since Guardians is bought up a lot; imagine if we had a flashback of Thanos torturing Gamora, Rocket being experimented on, or Drax's family getting killed. It's just unneccesary.
I hate to compare, but since Guardians is bought up a lot; imagine if we had a flashback of Thanos torturing Gamora, Rocket being experimented on, or Drax's family getting killed. It's just unneccesary.
Anton Sugar
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Don't forget "her heart is out, we can beat her now!" explanatory dialogue sprinkled throughout the movie and the "revelation" that Enchantress is behind it all even though we all knew that because we watched the scene they flashed back to.
Bar scene was definitely a highlight and the closest the movie *ever* got to having some interesting substance. Deadshot's "hero" moment was pretty cool, too.
This movie made me appreciate BvS on a whole new level, and I don't think it's a particularly good movie, but at least it had some momentum in certain sequences, some memorable imagery and moments.
Glass Shark
Banned
but how will the audience understand that Harley fell in love with the Joker unless we literally say "she fell in love with him", surely they won't get visual storytelling and nuance
peanutbutterlatte
Member
And yeah where we actually could have had flashbacks be useful Amanda Waller spoke over it.
SHOW us why Harley was so intriged by Joker. Because I have no idea.
"No no no will you LIVE for me"
:|
EdibleExplosives
Member
Ditto.
That line was one of the funniest parts of the movie (along with every time Killer Croc spoke), I was shocked at how bad it was.
Glass Shark
Banned
Heres what they should have done:
Slow, thoughtful cold open with Harleen Quinzel doing her work at Arkham, doing regular duties, then introduce Joker, show their interactions without some hamfisted voiceover. You have to show how Joker is influential and seductive and how he managed to talk her into bringing him a freaking machinegun.
She helps him break out, he does the whole torture / conversion on her, they do the chemical wedding, blah blah blah, they get caught. Shes now Harley.
Show her captured and taken to Belle Reve, she is the star of the movie and we see introductions to the rest of the squad through her eyes and her interactions with them. They are all criminals who try to act tough at first but over time they get to know and like each other and walls come down, we get backstories, personalities, and character introductions this way while theyre still all in Belle Reve.
Then something starts happening in Midway City, Amanda Waller thinks Joker is involved somehow, so she enlists Harley to come help. Harley says, "Sure, as long as I can bring my friends." This whole time shes been planning how to manipulate and enlist these villains using the same tactics Joker used on her, shes bringing them along on the mission to use them for her own gains.
Throughout the mission she has a change of heart and shes not going to betray them anymore because theyre like family or whatever.
I dont know, its not fully fleshed out, but I came up with it in 5 minutes and it would lead to much better emotional connection with literally all the characters in the movie than what we actually got.
TwoDurans
"Never said I wasn't a hypocrite."
The fights at the end were so boring. They spent the first 2/3 of the film establishing that Enchantress and her brother can literally rip dudes in half, but when they're fighting out heroes they just kick them to the other side of the room.
Can't kill them, you see, we have franchises to think about.
And what was Enchantress' "machine" and why was it powered by wiggles?
Can't kill them, you see, we have franchises to think about.
And what was Enchantress' "machine" and why was it powered by wiggles?
Anton Sugar
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I liked how Waller's emergency Enchantress contingency plan was stabbing her heart with a pencil.
SuperStiltzkin
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The bar scene had the most substance, but also where the movie's greatest flaw is most glaring. You realize nothing these people have gone through really warrants a scene like this where they have a heart to heart. There is no sense of camaraderie beforehand. So when they sit down and start talking, you don't really feel anything between them. At most, maybe Diablo's story. But in general the scene feels completely unearned.
When Diablo goes "I ain't losing a second family." I'm just like...wat. You guys do not feel like a Fast and Furious/Vin Diesel family.
BrightLightLava
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Hahahahaha! i'm going to use that. Thank you.
I always hate playing "This is how it should be"
But thinking of the movie, think described it on Twitter as a prologue and then 2 hours of an Act 2 of a movie.
There's no real ebb and flow to the film.
Instead, I would have opened up on Waller's dinner scene. Introduce the Squad with the animations and all that... title card
Then introduce their life in prison... probably don't need full scenes but a sizzle reel of being mistreated by the guards.
Then go to Waller's debrief/approval scene... then her visiting and recruiting the Squad.
This would take some work, but I would have Enchantress unlock her brother, but then have Act 2 be The Squad accompanying June and Flag to stop Incubus. Have the end of Act 2 be her betraying them and then Act 3 is the Squad getting their shit together to try and stop both of them.
Having the villain create her device for 3 days just seems weird in real world and movie logic.
But thinking of the movie, think described it on Twitter as a prologue and then 2 hours of an Act 2 of a movie.
There's no real ebb and flow to the film.
Instead, I would have opened up on Waller's dinner scene. Introduce the Squad with the animations and all that... title card
Then introduce their life in prison... probably don't need full scenes but a sizzle reel of being mistreated by the guards.
Then go to Waller's debrief/approval scene... then her visiting and recruiting the Squad.
This would take some work, but I would have Enchantress unlock her brother, but then have Act 2 be The Squad accompanying June and Flag to stop Incubus. Have the end of Act 2 be her betraying them and then Act 3 is the Squad getting their shit together to try and stop both of them.
Having the villain create her device for 3 days just seems weird in real world and movie logic.
Glass Shark
Banned
Exactly. This movie has a shocking lack of characterization and the bar scene only serves to highlight that even more. Croc, Boomerang, Katana, and and Slipknot did not need to exist as characters, and the time wasted on them could have been used making us care more about the people who were there.
Whenever they finally did the flashback to explain what happened in the subway (which was probably the most godawful piece of editing in this movie btw), they said it had been three days and I was so confused. Everything seemed like it was happening in the span of a few hours. It's shocking how poorly constructed this movie is.
Skiptastic
Member
Hey, remember when the prison guard gives Harley the cell phone, and she laughs and says, "You're so dead"?
Where was the payoff to that?
Where was the payoff to that?
Yeah
Like I literally thought it was
The train attack
Sent in Flag and June that day
She turned on him... sent in the Squad
Didn't realize days had passed
remember when he handed her the cell phone not very covertly at all while yelling at her that it was a gift from mr. j and there was another guard like 5 feet directly behind him?
100% agreed. It really writes itself
Skiptastic
Member
:lol very true. It was like the audience wouldn't accept the fact that Joker had just stolen the chopper and gone to get Harley without having those text messages throughout the movie. Like, what the fuck.
This is how I felt about Bruce Wayne's, " I failed him in life, I won't fail him in death." line at the end of BvS.
kopitarrulez_11
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Dude I was the only one that laughed when Will Smith amps up Rick Flagg and starts saying I'll carry you if I have to that shit had me laughing
Mengy
wishes it were bannable to say mean things about Marvel
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
This is a badly directed and very poorly written film carried by the actors who - particularly Margot Robbie, Will Smith, Jai Courtney and Viola Davis - should get olympic medals for this much heavy lifting.
The writing deserves particular contempt. There are a couple of stand out moments; 'Her sword traps the souls of its victims! She can cut you in half with a single sword stroke!' and the companion scene where she TALKS TO HER HUSBAND'S SOUL!
In the finale Harley rips out the heart of the baddie quite clearly - it is the only thing happening on screen and the heart has been repeatedly emphasised through the film. It then cuts to Rick Flagg who explains that she fucking got his heart! jesus christ
Most of the characters are badly written. Deadshot is all over the shop. Boomerang has nothing going on - he even runs away when Flagg lets them go and then reappears with no explanation. Harley's is so stupid but gets away with it because her background is - essentially - that she is crazy. Killer Croc is a big nothing. Diablo had the potential to be very interesting, but they flunk it. Plus his was a bit of a nothing performance.
The music and tone really felt like they saw and loved GOTG halfway through production. It felt like a lot of music videos stitched together (with great songs, mostly). There didn't seem to be much pace or rhythm to the film. Bad.
The writing deserves particular contempt. There are a couple of stand out moments; 'Her sword traps the souls of its victims! She can cut you in half with a single sword stroke!' and the companion scene where she TALKS TO HER HUSBAND'S SOUL!
In the finale Harley rips out the heart of the baddie quite clearly - it is the only thing happening on screen and the heart has been repeatedly emphasised through the film. It then cuts to Rick Flagg who explains that she fucking got his heart! jesus christ
Most of the characters are badly written. Deadshot is all over the shop. Boomerang has nothing going on - he even runs away when Flagg lets them go and then reappears with no explanation. Harley's is so stupid but gets away with it because her background is - essentially - that she is crazy. Killer Croc is a big nothing. Diablo had the potential to be very interesting, but they flunk it. Plus his was a bit of a nothing performance.
The music and tone really felt like they saw and loved GOTG halfway through production. It felt like a lot of music videos stitched together (with great songs, mostly). There didn't seem to be much pace or rhythm to the film. Bad.
BabyFaceKillah
Member
Movie was lame...
Most of the jokes were lame
THe dialogue was bad
The whole story was bad
Only thing I laughed at was rope guy getting his head blown off
I chuckled at a few of boomerang's and deadshot's scenes
Harley was alright none of the shit she said or did made me laugh tho
Diablo was alright
Joker was decent but dude barely had any screen time so he felt pointless to me... He was just there to add to Harley's character I guess.
Croc was lame....
I hated Amanda which I guess is the point
The enchantress was so bad like really bad.....
^^^ I agree with everything in the post above mine.
Most of the jokes were lame
THe dialogue was bad
The whole story was bad
Only thing I laughed at was rope guy getting his head blown off
I chuckled at a few of boomerang's and deadshot's scenes
Harley was alright none of the shit she said or did made me laugh tho
Diablo was alright
Joker was decent but dude barely had any screen time so he felt pointless to me... He was just there to add to Harley's character I guess.
Croc was lame....
I hated Amanda which I guess is the point
The enchantress was so bad like really bad.....
^^^ I agree with everything in the post above mine.
The Broken Ska Record
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I thought the whole "gag" with Boomerang coming back without much fanfare because he's Captain Boomerang.
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
There's potential for that joke to work, but you have to actually... tell the joke
Anton Sugar
Member
I just think the bar scene had some of the stronger dialogue in the movie and Harley got a chance to do more than just spout crazy shit or be in love with the Joker.
I agree, the "second family" was really unearned and drew chuckles from our crowd.
bananafactory
Banned
"Killer App"
That was the only good joke haha
Razgriz-Specter
Member
Only thing that bothered me really was,
1. Not near enough Joker to form an opinion on him.
2. Why the fuck was Katana there, how did they not play the Batman spy angle.
1. Not near enough Joker to form an opinion on him.
2. Why the fuck was Katana there, how did they not play the Batman spy angle.
The Broken Ska Record
Member
At the very least showing some sort of setup, but then again the whole movie is about loose ends. Like the unicorn thing.
I liked that line.
It also made me think how people might dislike Harley's sexulization in the film but I thought she in particular owned her sexuality and wasn't ashamed of it in any way.
Touchy subject, but I liked that about her character.
I can confirm.
BrightLightLava
Unconfirmed Member
can someone confirm that shit shot is straight up in the movie?
Dance, yes. That exact shot? I don't think so. It's all in quick flashes though.
can someone confirm that this shot is straight up in the movie?
Not that exact pose but they are both wearing those outfits.
Wearing those outfits dancing together but not in that same pose/shot.can someone confirm that this shot is straight up in the movie?
Anton Sugar
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can someone confirm that this shot is straight up in the movie?
Not the exact shot, but the scene, yes. For maybe 2 seconds, in a flashback.
It might have been the only movie I ever walked out of, if I hadn't seen it with a friend. It was so boring and lifeless. It was inert.
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