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The International 2016 (Aug 3rd - 13th)
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Shorty11857
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Na'vi in a BO1.
I have already mentally packed.
Good chance it'll be against Team Secret too
Technosteve
Banned
Taking turns kicking EE in the balls. EE peaked he should gobhome and be a family man
shira
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SecretMoblin
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call_kotaku
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wait, did EG throwing the series vs Alliance basically get Alliance into the upper bracket? Or am I reading this incorrectly?
theprodigy
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DC has to sweep EHOME to get the first seed but already have secured second seed, I wonder if they'll just pull an EG and mail it in for that series.
SecretMoblin
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Needs nerfs pretty desperately tbh, the champion has been gross and op for like two years now
everyone should be rooting for Wings
they have the best drafts and none of them have ever even been to a TI before
Lactose_Intolerant
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I hope DC gets a top 6 and Secret goes out in the 1st round. Would be hilarious
shira
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rakkadakka
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Secret won a major without RTZ and now they're doing bad it's EEs fault.
I think it's absolutely EEs fault that they broke up the team for RTZ despite the fact that he simply doesnt fit
Certainly not PLD that man is probably the best performing player on Secret along with Bulba.
Abilidebob
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Arteezy is a meme and an extremely overrated player. He destroys every team he goes.
It really feels like teams cater to him at the sacrifice of everything else
Hopefully PLD and Bulba land on their feet after the inevitable disband.
Feels like this post TI shuffle is going to be insane. Maybe a bit moreso if no western teams win it.
Dreams-Visions
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I'm not sure I'd hang too many of their losses the last 2 days on his neck. He made some bone-headed plays, but they're asking him to play the role of Hercules because everyone else is handicapped. I doubt many of the fail calls are his own. That fail gank on the lion by Bulba that last game, for example.
RTZ is undeniably talented, but players have to realize that you can't just get your 5 most talented friends together and expect to win anymore.
Fit matters.
Basically the only team where RTZ has felt like a comfortable fit was the original SADBOYS lineup, which I think would have won TI4 if not for fear's injury.
You have to pair RTZ with a secondary core that plays a safe conservative style and doesn't need much help like Fear and self sacrificing supports like PPD and Zai. Pie kind of fits the support role, but Puppey definitely doesn't, and EE is about 180 degrees from Fear's steady consistency.
When he came back to EG, it kind of halfway worked just because Sumail is that fucking good at playing solo lanes, but you could see the strain between the needs of Sumal and RTZ, especially when it came to drafting decisions.
The RTZ + EE combo is quite possibly the worst possible matchup though.
Dreams-Visions
Member
^ well said. I agree, but what do I know. not much.
buh buh w33 not good enuf for Secret amirite
buh buh w33 not good enuf for Secret amirite
NinjaBoyLao
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Secret RTZ out. Secret.Abed in PogChamp. (I wish)
Well the team was kind of a last minute thing with a bunch of the people left out of the roster lock, so you would expect improvement as they learn to play together. All the peices are certainly there.
eh they've been together over 4 months. I guess they always had the talent though and probably under-performed if anything before
lv2 pidgey
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theres no way liquid lose to secret right?
right?
right?
4 months is nothing, especially when you have a captain who's doing it for the first time. They've been steadily improving for a while, remember that they were having trouble scrimming tier 2 NA teams at the beginning, and then they slowly progressed from there. You could see it at every tourney they've attended since.
Still they have ways to go, I feel like beastmaster is a key ban against them.
Still they have ways to go, I feel like beastmaster is a key ban against them.
lv2 pidgey
Member
newbee with last pick huskar
idk how mvp makes it past the midgame
idk how mvp makes it past the midgame
They weren't together for 4 months in those previous tournaments though.
Maybe that's just how long it took them to figure out a playstyle that works for them.
We are only talking like 2-3 big tournaments in that period of time. For a game as complex as dota is, for 5 players who are just thrown together coming from 5 different countries with 5 different native languages, 4 months doesn't seem like ENOUGH time.
lv2 pidgey
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and mvp did not survive drow huskar
feels so good