No Man's Sky - Early Impressions/Reviews-in-progress Thread

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PBY said:
The vast majority of reviewers will cover the game post patch. Whats wrong with a few, like this one, covering the og version and stating that plainly?
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Nothing. I don't know why they would likit the relevancy of their review to a couple of days for anything other thab short term ad revenue.
 
keenerz said:
Man people sound like they are willing to die on the cross for this game. Everyone is gonna have a different experience with the game. A majority might not like the exploration factor too much without stuff to do in the game and that happens (played Elite Dangerous and it had a similar issue), but "don't act like everyone's wrong and I'm right this game is the best"
I've been kind of noticing that a lot of these really hyped games, people won't allow any kind of criticism of a game.
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Yup only people being defensive nothing else. The mind takes in what it wants too.
 
If they're changing so much, I hope people who buy the physical product can return it for an updated disc. Getting very tired of this bullshit business practise. It makes me not want to buy the physical game, and I don't like to buy digital because of the temporary nature and high prices. I might just not bother, it's very discouraging.
 
How many titles this gen have had a day one patch? All of them? Why is this discussion flaring up again with this title in particular?
 
Blackleg-sanji1 said:
They won't tho. But all in all not a problem I see no reason to be upset here some reviewers will wait some won't. In my eyes 8/10 no patch is damn good(unless the patch breaks the game or something than I'd be mad, so that's more of the reason why I think people should wait
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Well ya the whole freaking out over an 8/10 and seeing it as a bad score is another issue all together :P
 
system11 said:
If they're changing so much, I hope people who buy the physical product can return it for an updated disc. Getting very tired of this bullshit business practise. It makes me not want to buy the physical game, and I don't like to buy digital because of the temporary nature and high prices. I might just not bother, it's very discouraging.
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why would they need to update the disk if its just going to be a day one patch?
 
Banjo-Kazooie said:
Well ya the whole freaking out over an 8/10 and seeing it as a bad score is another issue all together :P
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who is freaking out or seeing it as bad?

People are saying it's a redundant score that will change post patch for better or worst and that it isn't a review copy to begin with.
 
Gamezone said:
I agree that early access titles shouldn't be reviewed the same way as final releases. The disc version is 1.0, right? No early access, alpha, beta or whatever. It's fine for early adopters to review it as a final product in my opinion. This issue is something Hello Games and Sony just have to deal with. If they delayed the game a few weeks, this wouldn't be an issue, but they would probably have added another day one patch no matter how much they delayed it.
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It's not early access or whatever, and additionally, if you work in software you know versioning is like... The least important indicator of the stability of software.

Finally, let me ask you a question head on - a game comes out, and the day 1 patch ruins it - like decimates it.

As a reviewer, you played the previous version, which was amazing, however you are fully aware that 90% plus of the people playing will get the very shitty first update version.

Do you not review that version? Do you stick to your perfect version of the game even though basically no one else is going to play that?
 
system11 said:
If they're changing so much, I hope people who buy the physical product can return it for an updated disc. Getting very tired of this bullshit business practise. It makes me not want to buy the physical game, and I don't like to buy digital because of the temporary nature and high prices. I might just not bother, it's very discouraging.
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First time I've seen fixing bugs and adding features called a "bullshit business practice".
 
system11 said:
If they're changing so much, I hope people who buy the physical product can return it for an updated disc. Getting very tired of this bullshit business practise. It makes me not want to buy the physical game, and I don't like to buy digital because of the temporary nature and high prices. I might just not bother, it's very discouraging.
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Are your consoles not connected to the internet?
 
Kinitari said:
It's not early access or whatever, and additionally, if you work in software you know versioning is like... The least important indicator of the stability of software.

Finally, let me ask you a question head on - a game comes out, and the day 1 patch ruins it - like decimates it.

As a reviewer, you played the previous version, which was amazing, however you are fully aware that 90% plus of the people playing will get the very shitty first update version.

Do you not review that version? Do you stick to your perfect version of the game even though basically no one else is going to play that?
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I asked this I got ignored because 90% of the people in here would have a different tone about this patch in this situation I'm sure
 
system11 said:
If they're changing so much, I hope people who buy the physical product can return it for an updated disc. Getting very tired of this bullshit business practise. It makes me not want to buy the physical game, and I don't like to buy digital because of the temporary nature and high prices. I might just not bother, it's very discouraging.
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Do you not have an internet connection? Do you have friends who own a PS4 and do not have any internet access whatsoever?
 
system11 said:
If they're changing so much, I hope people who buy the physical product can return it for an updated disc. Getting very tired of this bullshit business practise. It makes me not want to buy the physical game, and I don't like to buy digital because of the temporary nature and high prices. I might just not bother, it's very discouraging.
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That seems like an...overreaction. The patch will probably finish downloading before the game is done installing. If you don't have internet, turn your phone into a hotspot, you'll use less data than you would use streaming music for a half hour.
 
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I'm fucking in, this thread is off to a glorious start.
 
orthodoxy1095 said:
Reviewers don't need to rush anything out, if they have any ethics about being actual consumer guiders, they'd take their time and write detailed, thoughtful impressions.

But they're just as much of "businesses" as the game developers.

The reality though is that this doesn't put me in a losing position as a consumer since I have some self-control and just wait until I can read reviews.
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Are reviews only consumer guides? Should outlets wait for developers to fix the game before reviewing or streaming it?

I don't think the media should be under that obligation. I don't think its an ethical issue. It's transparently a review/content based on the early copy they purchased.

Outlets shouldn't feel pressured to consumer something the way the publishers intends for it to be consumed. They don't need to coordinate their lives and work with the schedule of Sony/Hello Game's publicity schedule.

There is value in all kinds of content. There is value on what No Man's Sky was like after the world changed on August 9th. It will be interesting looking back on the various states of games and the process 20 years from now.

What did writers think of No Man's Sky 1.0 pressed on a disc forever preserved in history.
 
SomTervo said:
1. The micro mechanics ARE fun, and are about to get better and better. This is the tip of the iceberg.

2. This isn't your average procedurally generated universe.

3. Loads of people without sky-high expectations are having loads of fun with the game.

4. That is complete bullshit about the pre-order bonus. It takes you 4-10 hours to get "established" in the game's universe and the pre-order bonus cuts out about 40 minutes of that.

Source: I'm playing the game right now
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Thanks for the clarifications!

Backfoggen said:
How many titles this gen have had a day one patch? All of them? Why is this discussion flaring up again with this title in particular?
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No Man's Reasons ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Zombie James said:
First time I've seen fixing bugs and adding features called a "bullshit business practice".
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This thread is already delivery, as people knew it would, and the reviews have not even piled in yet, lol.

5taquitos said:
That gif is bigger than the game install.
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Hahaha.

Hey data cappers... get off NeGAF for the next two days, so you can get your patch. I mean, since this is the crux of your argument. Because no game before this one, has ever, had a day 0 patch.
 
system11 said:
If they're changing so much, I hope people who buy the physical product can return it for an updated disc. Getting very tired of this bullshit business practise. It makes me not want to buy the physical game, and I don't like to buy digital because of the temporary nature and high prices. I might just not bother, it's very discouraging.
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It's 2016, not 1996.
 
PBY said:
The vast majority of reviewers will cover the game post patch. Whats wrong with a few, like this one, covering the og version and stating that plainly?
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What's wrong is they're reviewing a version of the game that nobody is going to play. As a consumer I feel this review is essentially worthless.
 
system11 said:
If they're changing so much, I hope people who buy the physical product can return it for an updated disc. Getting very tired of this bullshit business practise. It makes me not want to buy the physical game, and I don't like to buy digital because of the temporary nature and high prices. I might just not bother, it's very discouraging.
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So how often should people be able to get a replacement disc, considering that they will update this game with content and changes regularly?
 
xxracerxx said:
I mean, is the fifth patch coming out on release day?
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Everyone doesn't play games on release day.

What about people playing the game 10 years from now when the update servers are no longer online and Sony is out of the console business? (Hypothetical)
 
My only question with the Pure PlayStation review is - do they use Day 1 patches for other games they review? If so, then they should be consistent and wait for a Day 1 patch here as well. Otherwise that score is great for a game with a lot of day 1 improvements!
 
Backfoggen said:
How many titles this gen have had a day one patch? All of them? Why is this discussion flaring up again with this title in particular?
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Because it's a high profile title with exclusivity that's been hyped to hell by a lot of people and there's only one review. People have to argue about something, especially because the score is an 8, high enough to not imply a bomb, but not high enough to let fanboys get hype and crow GOTY.
 
keenerz said:
A majority might not like the exploration factor too much without stuff to do in the game and that happens (played Elite Dangerous and it had a similar issue), but "don't act like everyone's wrong and I'm right this game is the best"
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The game certainly isn't for everyone and critics might bash it on average, but man don't say shit like this. The game is always giving you something to do and there's loads of content even besides the procedural planet stuff.

I own Elite and love it - play a lot in vr - and it is barely comparable to this game.
 
danthefan said:
What's wrong is they're reviewing a version of the game that nobody is going to play. As a consumer I feel this review is essentially worthless.
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Like I said previously, they should've kind of known this would happen, to stuff major changes behind a day one patch is asking for trouble. While I know people want to side with the developers and making games are hard. Someone at sony or at the studio should've pointed out "you know people are gonna sneak early copies for reviews".
If this review is worthless then just simply disregard it, by clicking it you simply giving them the ad revenue or engagement.
 
Gamezone said:
Why should we wait for the first patch and not the fifth patch to review this? What makes the first patch more worthy of a review than the upcoming patches?
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Because one comes on release day, the day people were supposed to start playing and the others would not.
 
SomTervo said:
The game certainly isn't for everyone and critics might bash it on average, but man don't say shit like this. The game is always giving you something to do and there's loads of content even besides the procedural planet stuff.

I own Elite and love it - play a lot in vr - and it is barely comparable to this game.
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And thats fine, I really hope it does provide the depth that I want to see. I liked Elite Dangerous a lot too I had a HOTAS and all the stuff, and I'm glad that the developers are adding stuff in the make the game much more interesting, but that initial run where it lacked a lot of depth really hurt the idea of the genre not only for me but many people.
 
I also think the resentment and squabbling over reviewing unfinished, unpatched games is due to the silly numbers slapped on game reviews.

"THE FINAL VERDICT" mentality is stupid and harms the coverage of games. If no one slapped a number on games, people would be talking about a fairly positive piece on the un-patched disc version of No Man's Sky.
 
Yes, I know there’s a day-one patch on the way. What I care about is reviewing what people will have straight out of the box on the day they get their copy, the game that was handed over the counter to them when they parted with their cash in good faith. If the update drastically changes the experience of the game, so much so that’s it’s unrecognisable from what’s originally on the disc, then there’s something fundamentally wrong with the way games are being made; I wouldn’t pay for Chocolate Rice Crispies, receive plain Rice Crispies and then be told to wait while Kelloggs gets the chocolate flavouring together. Silly analogy, but it’s the same principle.
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what an obtuse analogy. It's 2016 - a day one patch that triggers as soon as you pop a disc into your system is not a big deal, particularly for a game as ambitious as NMS.
 
CHC said:
Do you not have an internet connection? Do you have friends who own a PS4 and do not have any internet access whatsoever?
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This really isn't the point. The point is in ~15 years time when it's no longer possible to play NMS in full form unless you happened to have a PS4 with it already on. I don't mind so much when it's bugfixes (but there should still be a replacement disc policy), but when a company comes straight out and says "don't play what we've shipped without the patch because we changed everything" that's different. It's little different to the shit pulled with Tony Hawks, which got roasted for it.

Maybe there will be a GOTY edition later on.
 
system11 said:
This really isn't the point. The point is in ~15 years time when it's no longer possible to play NMS in full form unless you happened to have a PS4 with it already on. I don't mind so much when it's bugfixes (but there should still be a replacement disc policy), but when a company comes straight out and says "don't play what we've shipped without the patch because we changed everything" that's different.

Maybe there will be a GOTY edition later on.
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Why make assumptions about what may happen 15 years from now?
 
system11 said:
This really isn't the point. The point is in ~15 years time when it's no longer possible to play NMS in full form unless you happened to have a PS4 with it already on. I don't mind so much when it's bugfixes (but there should still be a replacement disc policy), but when a company comes straight out and says "don't play what we've shipped without the patch because we changed everything" that's different.

Maybe there will be a GOTY edition later on.
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There will definitely be some complete edition later on, but that's not the point. The physical release shouldn't have to relie on servers in order to be a complete experience.
 
system11 said:
This really isn't the point. The point is in ~15 years time when it's no longer possible to play NMS in full form unless you happened to have a PS4 with it already on. I don't mind so much when it's bugfixes (but there should still be a replacement disc policy), but when a company comes straight out and says "don't play what we've shipped without the patch because we changed everything" that's different. It's little different to the shit pulled with Tony Hawks, which got roasted for it.

Maybe there will be a GOTY edition later on.
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I imagine the next batch of disks they press will have updates and patches on them. I'm not sure about ps4 games, but pc games do that all the time.
 
Gator86 said:
Because it's a high profile title with exclusivity that's been hyped to hell by a lot of people and there's only one review. People have to argue about something, especially because the score is an 8, high enough to not imply a bomb, but not high enough to let fanboys get hype and crow GOTY.
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More like, because of the Sony press release regarding the early/review copies.

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This is not the average day 1 patch situation that normally happens.
 
Gamezone said:
There will definitely be some complete edition later on, but that's not the point. The physical release shouldn't have to relie on servers in order to be a complete experience.
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Did you double down like this in Halo 5, Halo MCC, UC4, etc.?

Or wait for it... 90%+ retail games that have had day 1 patches this gen?

What is it about this game that is making people's perspectives all coo coo (for cocoa puffs)?

Ooccoo said:
Internet was a mistake. No but honestly, I miss developers having to deliver complete games day one. These patches are kinda insulting and I agree reviewing a game in its 1.0 version. Waiting is just giving devs a reason to continue patching day one and deliver incomplete/buggy games. I understand it is more a problem with publishers but still.
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Revisionist historian right here.

I wanted to grow up in that perfect, 'complete game/bug free' utopia.
 
Internet was a mistake. No but honestly, I miss developers having to deliver complete games day one. These patches are kinda insulting and I agree reviewing a game in its 1.0 version. Waiting is just giving devs a reason to continue patching day one and deliver incomplete/buggy games. I understand it is more a problem with publishers but still.
 
you guys banging the "the game on the disc should be complete" drum have long lost the war on that. it's been this way for years, and NMS isn't excluded from being an example of it but this has been a thing that's going on for a while and while an apt criticism doesn't seem to be going the other direction.
 
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