Necromanti
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100% this. I hope they drop another one a week later so that the reviews with the Day One patch look dumb.
No Man's Sky - Early Impressions/Reviews-in-progress Thread
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Yeah, it's a great idea to have lower review scores out there early.
Snkfanatic
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I think the Spore comparisons to me were always the level of hype around the two games and the content both promised. Seems that NMS delivered on that while Spore...well we all know how that went.
That sounds awesome on
finding them rather then building, and I like that you said yet,
CecilRousso
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Nintendo has a bit more freedom to do just whatever they want, and postpone their games for years if they want to, then what Hello Games has.
Bboy AJ
My dog was murdered by a 3.5mm audio port and I will not rest until the standard is dead
So now the reviewers are dumb? How about the developers who shipped a game without a patch that apparently means so much to gamers with your mentality? Why ship an unfinished game, then?
And no, day one patches are not the complete game. Not everyone has Internet access. What's on the disc is the game.
Eurogamer on why their review will be late:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-08-08-our-no-mans-sky-review-will-be-late-and-heres-why
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-08-08-our-no-mans-sky-review-will-be-late-and-heres-why
Necromanti
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At least it's Day One and not Day One
Hundred
I bet they were sweating bullets to get it out in time.
Moon_frogger
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'Day one patches happen all the time' is an utterly worthless argument in this case. Look, I'm in a position where this would not affect me in the slightest. An 800 meg update will take seconds for me to dl. Patches are the new reality.
But this is no 'patch' clearly half of the games features will not even be available if you don't get it. This isn't a patch, it's the rest of the game. Bare minimum there needs to be a sticker on the case with a disclaimer here. Or the game shouldn't have had a retail release at all if they couldn't have waited. Or they could have made digital available day one and waited a month until the game was ready for disc.
This is no mere case of 'polishing up while waiting for cert' either. Nor is it a case of preventing spoilers. Massive improvements to core mechanics, graphical effects, procedural generation etc. This isn't a day one patch, it's literally the rest of the game.
But this is no 'patch' clearly half of the games features will not even be available if you don't get it. This isn't a patch, it's the rest of the game. Bare minimum there needs to be a sticker on the case with a disclaimer here. Or the game shouldn't have had a retail release at all if they couldn't have waited. Or they could have made digital available day one and waited a month until the game was ready for disc.
This is no mere case of 'polishing up while waiting for cert' either. Nor is it a case of preventing spoilers. Massive improvements to core mechanics, graphical effects, procedural generation etc. This isn't a day one patch, it's literally the rest of the game.
No, it will be the final release of the game....before they fix it and give people the other 1/2 they missed out on when paying.
I have a real problem with people accepting big day one patches as 'the norm'. Developers need to start shipping games finished, ready to play.
It's Driveclub all over again!
.. so it's Gona be broken as shit and missing most it's features?
CecilRousso
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There have been multiple posts with reasonable arguments as to why such a thing is becoming more and more difficult to live up to, especially for smaller developers.
The Jackdog
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A fuck you to the outlets they sent review copies to for the sole purpose of marketing their fucking game?
what?
Cave Johnson
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Since I've moved to a new place, I would not be enjoying this game "the-way-it-was-intended" because of a day one "expansion pack"... Oh, I meant "DLC".. No wait, a "fix-it" patch. Yeah, that's what it was - because of the lack of an Internet connections.
Tal Shiar Agent
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Are we going to get a new review thread when real reviews actually start dropping tonight? Seems a bit nuts to continue with a 1,000 post thread from one not real review.
Demoskinos
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Nobody has review copies yet. Thats the entire point of my comment. There were several outlets like Kotaku who went out and found early copies so they could run NMS content like last week. Well before anyone was SENT by the developer download codes for the game.
And personally I find it real shitty Kotaku and other sites went out of their way to try to rush coverage out so they could get those easy clicks. Cause that's all it is. Wanting to get the clicks first because they have the game first. And that's shitty.
breakfuss
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Why is that shitty lol? Isn't that the objective of running any media site? To get people to visit. The horror.
Demoskinos
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I don't think you understand how game development works. The game was already gold they had a few weeks before the game hit shelves they had time to start their post-release support by using those spare weeks to get a new patch up and running by launch day.
There is a full game on the disc. That is what your paying for if you don't have internet access then you also don't get post-release support that isn't on the developers.
Bboy AJ
My dog was murdered by a 3.5mm audio port and I will not rest until the standard is dead
It's really shitty they're reviewing the copy that is being sold? The day one patch copy isn't what's being sold. You understand that, right?
Kaffeemann
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I agree.
This day one patch discussion is getting out of hand and has little to do with the game's quality.
Non day one patch are also real reviews.
everyday math
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I hope so.
Well, the disc isn't what you're buying either. You're buying the right to enter a licensing agreement for the use of software, some of which is on the disc. Whether that license is valid before the release date... I dunno, depends on the EULA.
Collateral22
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Patch is out right now yeah? Game hasn't launched yet, so you aren't missing out on anything you have paid for because when you are playing it it will be the most up to date version.
The game shouldn't be being sold before the patch is available, it hasn't been released yet.
Demoskinos
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There are reasons that review embargos exist. Every outlet being able to be on the same footing when the floodgates open is one of those reasons. So yes its shitty.
breakfuss
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The review is very much real. I'm anticipating this game but some of y'all are terrifying with the preemptive defense. Hell, it received an 8/10.
Not gonna happen.
For most full priced retail games you need to wait 12 months or more to get the 'real' game. DLC, bug fixes, rebalancing, exploit fixing, performance fixes, etc etc. How long was it before the Witcher 3 was done? or Fallout 4? Diablo 3? That is the way it is for everyone that is not core Nintendo.
Sometimes it is fun to be there day one though. This might be one of those games.
everyday math
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Are people really supporting buying games before the release date now?
I don't think anyone is defending. Some people are arguing the notion of day 1 patches. The score is fine.
They are supporting reviews before release date. Which can be accomplished without any trouble when there are review copies given to press before release date.
everyday math
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I meant more on the lines of buying them shadily like that.
The product is never finished. If it shipped on disc with the first patch, then it wouldn't have the second patch. If it was delayed to include the second patch, it wouldn't include the third patch.
If they're adding content all the time, how do you get a 'finished' game on the disk?
The game on the disk is fully playable and, as the review shows, a good game. Therefore it is a complete product.
LordOcidax
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Is amazing to see some people defending this kind of practice for a single player game... Even worse, some already are saying that day 1 reviews are joke... :/.
Tal Shiar Agent
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No, they aren't. If this was 2006 okay. But it's 2016, the vast majority of consoles are connected. The prepatch version isn't the version that the vast majority of players will be playing, thus prepatch reviews aren't valid.
Heckler456
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If you're buying either of these consoles without having access to the internet, you're doing it wrong. If you're never able to update your console, you're probably going to have a pretty bad time. They're clearly built with having an internet connection in mind. And regardless, the amount of people who (are able to) own these consoles, and who don't have access to an internet connection, is probably negligible. I mean, 40% of the world population has an internet connection, and I can assure you that 40% of the world population isn't able to afford a playstation 4. Hell, why would you ever expect anyone to take into account the needs of a negligible amount of people, especially when it comes to things like this.
As for day one patches specifically, even ones like these: they're an advantage we've steadily grown towards ever since it became possible to have internet on consoles. A game is never done regardless of when you release it. There's always more shit you'd be able to do, or more features that would have been able to be completed if only you had a little more time. On top of that, you have the realities of your budget. They can't just keep delaying it, they have to start making money at some point.
Essentially, what you're saying is that they shouldn't be able to make improvements to the game while waiting for it to release. If they hadn't made this patch, none of us would have been the wiser. And I highly doubt you'd be complaining if this exact same patch came a month or whatever down the road, even though there is no appreciable difference between releasing one now and in a months time, except for the fact that what we've got now is coming sooner than the other option.
Vincent Grayson
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This "practice" is the norm this generation, and will likely continue being so into the future (until retail is a non-issue and they can just release the most current version on launch day). You can either get on board, or stop playing games, because NMS is not doing anything unusual here.
MMaRsu
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What features were missing from Driveclub?
It's not the 'norm' to mint an alpha to a disc.
Day 1 patches are usually bugfixes, not a gigs worth of content and system overhauls.
It's more a complete logic fail on behalf of the detractors. How do you get a game with incremental updates to be 'complete' on the disk? How? A delay will make no difference. It's always going to be a patch behind.
Spiral Insanity
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Oh man
I really don't think this argument holds much merit anymore. The majority of people who live in the regions this game is being targeted at do have Internet access. Furthermore, of the minority of people don't have Internet (in the Americas, at least), most of them either find it useless or too difficult to use, so it's probably fairly reasonable to assume most of them would have little interest in owning a PS4/PC, much less this game.
Sources:
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/07/28/15-of-americans-dont-use-the-internet-who-are-they/
http://www.internetlivestats.com/internet-users/
This is more an ethical dilemma than a technical one. Yes, technically, the pre-patched disc version of the game is the 'final' game (and it can be played as such - obviously the game isn't outright broken, as the leaked gameplay footage has clearly illustrated). However, I'm willing to bet that over 95% of players will have Internet access upon booting up for the first time, and so downloading the patch will not be a problem.
Me personally? I can't really complain about a developer who works this hard to please their customers. When it comes down to it, we're getting a lot of extra content for free, and that's never a bad thing.
Give War A Chance
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Then lets wait until next year when the game will be fully finished and bugs ironed out. There's a huge difference between batman AK on PC from launch and nowadays, let's just create an exception so NMS fans wont get salty.
If you needed the day-1 patch to actually make your game enjoyable then you should have delayed your game as, in 2016, day-1 patches are for removing last minute bugs or improve performance, not to add the content that you couldnt add in your allowed schedule.
We're allowing for stuff we haven't before just because of the defense force this game has created.
Performance and bugs != content.
Name 5 games this generation that have added a considerable ammount of content on day-1 patches.
Vincent Grayson
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The on-disc version of the game is a finished, playable, and good game on its own.
The day 1 patch is bug fixes and improvements. And if you think day one patches aren't normally very big (and this one is under a gig), then you haven't been paying attention.
I hope they keep releasing patches every week because that type of post-release support would be amazing.
I think the bigger issue now is not a day one patch (which is pretty commonplace) but those developers that don't support or fix their games post release, especially when they have a means to do so and the games in question have well documented issues.
I bet NMS has a bunch of updates and tweaks during the 1st year of release.
As far as reviews go, I just wanted to mention a couple of points.
1. If you are on the fence about the game, is it really that hard to wait? In a day you'll have a bunch of user streams and impressions to view, with the professional reviews coming a bit later.
2. We all know about hyped game backlash here on GAF that usually arises two weeks or so after release, and I don't think any recent game I know of has been immune. Those of you who are overly skeptical are going to feel hoodwinked once the backlash begins whether there were a bunch of pre-day 1 reviews or not. NMS already has a sizeable contingent of detractors as it is so its not like you aren't going to get opinions from both sides.
I bet NMS has a bunch of updates and tweaks during the 1st year of release.
As far as reviews go, I just wanted to mention a couple of points.
1. If you are on the fence about the game, is it really that hard to wait? In a day you'll have a bunch of user streams and impressions to view, with the professional reviews coming a bit later.
2. We all know about hyped game backlash here on GAF that usually arises two weeks or so after release, and I don't think any recent game I know of has been immune. Those of you who are overly skeptical are going to feel hoodwinked once the backlash begins whether there were a bunch of pre-day 1 reviews or not. NMS already has a sizeable contingent of detractors as it is so its not like you aren't going to get opinions from both sides.
If the developer is constantly releasing updates, like Driveclub, Diablo 3, of Terraria, day 1 reviews have a short lifespan. (I play most of those on my own and love the model of continuous improvement. Love it)
If people are reviewing a game that is missing features available upon release, the reviews have limited usefulness.
It would be better if there were review copies available before release without a doubt. In most other cases, I would wait for reviews or at least complete version impressions before buying and I certainly wouldn't buy a game that vaguely promised ongoing support. But, this is the only game like it on PS4, so I'm waiving those expectations.
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