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The International 2016 (Aug 3rd - 13th)

You're talking about results from 2 years ago as relevant in a game where teams Last 6 months on average and a lot of players fade out or rise in less than 1 year.

So you would disagree on someone else saying that "team stability" is a legitimate factor in deciding direct invites? And you would disagree in saying that a well known team doing next to nothing before two recent wins should not be in the same discussion as other teams with multiple high placings in multiple tournaments?

I'd like to hear how you think this should all be done to avoid any doubt and debate. I'm honestly interested. I don't see how you do it without some kind of points ranking system.
 
So you would disagree on someone else saying that "team stability" is a legitimate factor in deciding direct invites? And you would disagree in saying that a well known team doing next to nothing before two recent wins should not be in the same discussion as other teams with multiple high placings in multiple tournaments?

I'd like to hear how you think this should all be done to avoid any doubt and debate. I'm honestly interested. I don't see how you do it without some kind of points ranking system.
Just let valve pick who they want.it's worked out great 6 years in a row. Top teams that earned that earned the right always get in. Bubble teams have to play qualifiers.
 
Fly and n0tail are going to win TI

What a time to be alive

i'm also rooting for my boys <3
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But feel free to tell me how the post TI shuffle is going to happen. You seem well connected.

What are you even talking about

My main issue with Navi is that they have literally only won two recent tournaments and nothing else for two years. Even qualifying for a major is an achievement IMO, and yes - I think there is some Dendi/Navi Fanboy bias there. When you go as far as getting a guy to dress up in a costume just to get him into an All Star Game when his team didnt even qualify for last year's TI, its clear to all. I feel that the Navi direct invite was a complete waste, likely complete fan service and statistically only defendable due to winning two relatively lower level (in comparison to Majors) recent tournaments.

Navi and Fnatic's recent records as of their last member joining, for reference:

Navi

Fnatic

You could easily make the case that Fnatic should have been invited (many have), but I wouldn't say Navi's case is only "statistically defendable" through fanboy bias. They won two big majors, but also did very well against top teams throughout the year.

I would say that for Fnatic, what hurt them was a lack of participation at majors and yes, perhaps a Western bias.

So explain why is it dumb?

here's what I think should happen. Valve has already addressed the fact there is too much team instability and too many majors. This is why they're scaling back to three majors (including TI7) and specific team movement windows (for "leavers" and "joiners"). I think they should have global rankings and regional rankings for tiered tournaments on a points system for all four regions. Have that ranking system consider the results and earnings of the teams for that past calendar year (so to actually reward consistent high placings).

When it comes to a Major, the top 1 or 2 teams then get an automatic invite because of recorded, legitimate achievement over the past year. Then have the rest of the teams in the regional top 8s go onto regional qualifiers and two placings for open qualifiers. Publish the rankings and show movement. Give actual statistical justification for each direct invite. That way there is more legitimacy for it.

Rankings only work when there's enough consistency throughout the year. In your case, Secret's victory at Shanghai would have earned them an invite through points. And if they lost that invite because of roster changes, then what is the point of the ranking system? I'd actually wager Valve has some semblance of a ranking system for teams already, but like everything else they do, they don't publicize it. I'm not sure what your visible system does that the current system doesn't besides letting teams know where they stand (which, I admit, would be useful). My guess would be that Valve keeps it hidden so teams aren't don't see a dismal string of performances on an official record and start looking to jump ship before majors (even more than they already do, anyway).

I'd like to hear how you think this should all be done to avoid any doubt and debate. I'm honestly interested. I don't see how you do it without some kind of points ranking system.

Like I said, there's probably already a ranking a system, just not a visible one. And there's no solution to a situation where roster changes are so common that won't leave room for doubt. The core issue is that there's not much Valve can do to stop teams from switching rosters if the teams feel they'll have a better team after having one, And Valve wants to orient their invites around players, not teams.

They're going to change the system every year, just like they change the game every year. The most sly thing Valve did to reinforce their goals was encourage more team play in the game itself so teams who play as one (as opposed to just having five good players thrown together) are more predisposed to win.
 
So you would disagree on someone else saying that "team stability" is a legitimate factor in deciding direct invites? And you would disagree in saying that a well known team doing next to nothing before two recent wins should not be in the same discussion as other teams with multiple high placings in multiple tournaments?

I'd like to hear how you think this should all be done to avoid any doubt and debate. I'm honestly interested. I don't see how you do it without some kind of points ranking system.

There isn't a system that can avoid critique. Welcome to reality.

That said, including two years worth of results is the pinnacle of stupidity. Even soccer, which has much more stable teams, a professional and huge organization behind every team and player, gather to only the last year's results when it come to qualifying for the Champion's League. To think Dota results from 2 years ago have any bearing in a game like dota with patches, teams that reshuffle constantly and whatsnot is the stupidest idea i've read on a forum full with shillaries.
 
They need to bribe players with ever more elaborate maps and particles every year to top last year's prize pool.

I wonder how long this is sustainable.
 
What games are being played Monday? IS it just the BO1s or are is the first round of the UB on aswell

Edit: prob should have looked at the OP first, hehe
 
Yo I got a midweek ticket available. I'm going to use it tomorrow but it's open for TWTh. PM me if you wanna buy it.

It isn't linked to my profile, so you can link it to yours.
 
It's what, like a 8-12 hour difference depending on where you are?

I dunno where Gothos is from, the OG-MVP game is scheduled to be 19:00 which isnt that bad. The later games(DC-Wings) are a bit worse as they start 22:00 and since it's a bo3 they can go on late.

Also I see there are some games starting 1am and 4am which sucks for us euros.
Cant for the most part watch any of the lowerbracket matches because they start in the middle of the night here, which sucks as I want to see if secret drops out or not :<
 
It starts off nice in the evening here in Europe, but the second half is past midnight. I want to watch Navi vs Liquid qq.
 
I'm kinda curious how the opening ceremony is going to be.

The Manila one with the hoverboards was pretty odd but at least they had one.
 
Wait, are those times in the Schedule in Dota 2 client my local time? I thought it was US time. MEGATON!

Oh, and I got prize prediction at 21-22m range. Seems doable :)
 
I haven't even played dota or followed it since last TI and all the team shuffling drama

quick catchup wanted.

Who are top...3 picks/bans?

is alliance back to being relevant? who the fuck is wings

who's the fun teams to watch this year? last year I was all in on EG because I wanted fear to get his

how is aui doing on secret?

are chuan and dendi still the two fan favorite players(at least that was my interpretation from previous years, with maybe puppey being 3rd)?
 
I haven't even played dota or followed it since last TI and all the team shuffling drama

quick catchup wanted.
Who are top...3 picks/bans?
is alliance back to being relevant? who the fuck is wings
who's the fun teams to watch this year? last year I was all in on EG because I wanted fear to get his
how is aui doing on secret?

are chuan and dendi still the two fan favorite players(at least that was my interpretation from previous years, with maybe puppey being 3rd)?

top picks so far have been Drow Ranger, Elder Titan and Mirana.
Wings is the fun team to watch (chinese team). Also, Mvp phoenix if they brought their A game are entertaining. I'm a fan of OG so obviously I like watching their games too ^^
Aui is not on main roster anymore. Current secret lineup is RTZ, EE, Pieliedie, puppy, and bulba.
alliance are a bit shaky so far so i wouldn't say they are back. i don't know who the fan favorite is but I guess Miracle probably ?
 
inb4 gaben cosplaying pitlord for opening ceremony
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He was waiting for the technology to create warp portals just for this moment!

Each team will be warped in in groups of five.

Losers get warped back home with their cash.

*EDIT* STREAM IS LIVE, NEW MUSIC TOO. HOO BABY.

*EDIT 2* IT'S GONE, FRANK OCEAN CONFIRMED.
 
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