why wouldn't it matter? It still a game with visuals, obviously if people think it looks worse that's a negative
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why wouldn't it matter? It still a game with visuals, obviously if people think it looks worse that's a negative
Why would you compare a zoomed capture against a zoomed screen grab of a YT video?
You shouldn't try so hard to push your argument on to us if you are so sure you are right and there's no debate about it.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
Enough with the "visuals don't matter" narrative. Please.
Dammit, I can't see pebbles beneath the horses legs anymore! That's a dealbreaker, I'm out for civ 6. You had a heap of potential there firaxis with all those really cool and interesting looking gameplay changes, but you forgot what the most important thing is: Pebbles. Shame on you!
They certainly don't matter as much as they do in other games/genres.
I can't understand why people don't accept others opinions here.
It's fine that you don't care about graphic fidelity and/or simply like the art style of Civ 6. But that does not change the fact, that it looks less detailed than 5. I get a cartoon-version of Civilization in the first time (talking about PC versions here) and I don't like that.
That has nothing to do with the enjoyment I'll get out of the game in the end, of course, but it would be even better for me if the visuals were different.
It's fine that you don't care about graphic fidelity and/or simply like the art style of Civ 6. But that does not change the fact, that it looks less detailed than 5. I get a cartoon-version of Civilization in the first time (talking about PC versions here) and I don't like that.
That has nothing to do with the enjoyment I'll get out of the game in the end, of course, but it would be even better for me if the visuals were different.
The new artstyle is less "realistic" and crisp than the previous one but I must say i find it more pleasing to the eyes. Civ5 was maybe more detailed, but it wasn't better looking (imo). I think some people here are making a big fuss out of nothing, the whole package is much more coherent now than it was before. I mean you could have 8K textures and a game that looks like shit, resolution isn't everything.
And i'm not even talking about the caracters who are miles and miles ahead. They must've hire new animators, they really did an awesome job on that point.
NoblesseOblige
Banned
Did I make a generic 'visuals don't matter' statement? No, I asked why I should care about THIS perceived 'downgrade' people are imagining. It's a civ game, where visuals are near the bottom of my things to give a rat's ass about. Your post would have a point in just about any other game than this one.
I don't care about your opinions, I care that this thread is nothing but people bitching about the graphics. I would like more discussions on the new mechanics but the only thing people want to talk about is how bad the graphics are now. Also, Civ IV had a similar aesthetic but everyone seemed to have forgotten about it.
I think thats because people like to talk about things they don't like, and the game mechanics itself Civ 6 seems to offer are fine for most people.
Civ's Wind Waker moment. Well, at least the game looks better than Wind Waker turned out to be (unrelated to its graphics).
It's not a big deal though. Honestly to me it doesn't look a whole lot different to civ 5, just a little bit cleaner and stylised.
There's a whole heap of whinging in here over some insignificant details. And it's been constant since the reveal! You'd think by now there'd be other things they could discuss!
There's a whole heap of whinging in here over some insignificant details. And it's been constant since the reveal! You'd think by now there'd be other things they could discuss!
Oh, it's of course a big deal if you don't like what you see. You look at these visuals for a LONG time after all.
Which is why it's probably a good idea to make things clearer, cleaner and easier to distinguish, especially for the late game.
It's brought a lot of discussion because the same individuals won't stop their campaign against the graphics. I'm not saying you should like it or you should not consider it a big deal, but you should understand that, as much as you dislike the artstyle, derailing this thread constantly will not change how the game looks.
So, why trying to make a point on whether the graphics are objectively worse or not? Most people here don't care about how the game looks, or more precisely, don't care enough to rethink their purchase. Can we please move on?
If you know your game is going to be heavily modded on pc why not cut costs on art and also have a graphical style that can be ported to mobile down the line with ease.
I'd like to believe that's the conversation they had because it at least has some rational sense over every designer/producer at firaxis looking at the art and believing they had a beautiful coat of paint on their 2016 tesla when it's actually coated in bird shit.
And FYI: I'm mostly a lurker and almost never post. It's not some ' derailing agenda '. The game looks aesthetically ugly to most people. Not just in comparison to CivV but even CivIV looks more cohesive, inviting, and cared for. I just spent 80 hours on Underrail...the problem isn't technical it's basic artistic sensibility.
Just look at fan mods where the saturation is toned down...it becomws more bearable on the eyes but then the plain, dreary texture work takes center stage. They dialed the saturation to maximum as a disguise for low art budget but it comes off garish and unsightly.
I'd like to believe that's the conversation they had because it at least has some rational sense over every designer/producer at firaxis looking at the art and believing they had a beautiful coat of paint on their 2016 tesla when it's actually coated in bird shit.
And FYI: I'm mostly a lurker and almost never post. It's not some ' derailing agenda '. The game looks aesthetically ugly to most people. Not just in comparison to CivV but even CivIV looks more cohesive, inviting, and cared for. I just spent 80 hours on Underrail...the problem isn't technical it's basic artistic sensibility.
Just look at fan mods where the saturation is toned down...it becomws more bearable on the eyes but then the plain, dreary texture work takes center stage. They dialed the saturation to maximum as a disguise for low art budget but it comes off garish and unsightly.
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Deleted member 231381
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They spoke a language related to modern Iranian languages, but they didn't impart much aside from the to the people of modern Iran. The relation between them and Iran is sort of analogous to the Oghuz Turks and Turkey - they brought their language and religious practices, but in many ways the settled state took more customs from the pre-existing settled peoples with Turkey in many ways being a continuation of the Roman Empire with a Turkish-language and Islamic-religion facelift.
hooijdonk17
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Civ 6 reminds me of Civ Revolution moreso than any other game in the series. (WRT graphics, obviously).
Do we have a list of Civs in the base game yet?
Do we have a list of Civs in the base game yet?
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Deleted member 231381
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Civ 6 reminds me visually of Skyward Sword more than the Wind Waker. I think both tried to go for "painted" visuals, but paintings work because you can be abstract when the medium is still because it gives people time to read into the intricacies. You can't really do that when the medium is animated, so "painted" often morphs into "bright and seemingly lo-resolution", which is often... not very appealing.
I don't mind Civ VI's graphics and I was actually underwhelmed by V's faux realism. But I think the series could easily do better than both.
I don't mind Civ VI's graphics and I was actually underwhelmed by V's faux realism. But I think the series could easily do better than both.
Mengy
wishes it were bannable to say mean things about Marvel
There is no doubt that the graphical style change is a mixed bag. Some people will be okay with it, others will hate it. While it does seem to be a step down in graphical fidelity from Civ 5, I believe they did it to improve clarity during gameplay, which to be honest is an issue I still have today when playing Civ 5. More graphical detail is not always a better thing in video games, especially for 4X games where you have to be able to discern map information at a glance.
War of Magic from last year is a much better looking game than the 14 year old Master of Magic, yet I regularly play MoM while WoM sits untouched in my steam library. Gameplay is more important than graphics in almost every instance except maybe FPS games. Lego Universe is a better looking game than Minecraft, yet the latter is much more fun to play than the former (at least for now).
When comparing Civ 6 to Civ 5, while the graphics have changed and may be somewhat less detailed, the gameplay improvements for Civ 6 vastly outweigh that IMHO. Because when you get down to it, I play the Civilization games for their gameplay, NOT for their cutting edge graphics. And on the gameplay front it really seems like they are knocking it out of the fucking park with Civ 6.
So if any of you are really going to skip Civ 6 simply because the graphics are less detailed than Civ 5, well okay, goodbye, because in my opinion you were playing the Civ games for the wrong reasons in the first place then. You were valuing the wrong aspects of the game if the lower graphics are more important to you than the many gameplay improvements. Stay with Civ 5, its still a great game and its not going anywhere!
Myself, Ill be buying Civ 6 on day one.
War of Magic from last year is a much better looking game than the 14 year old Master of Magic, yet I regularly play MoM while WoM sits untouched in my steam library. Gameplay is more important than graphics in almost every instance except maybe FPS games. Lego Universe is a better looking game than Minecraft, yet the latter is much more fun to play than the former (at least for now).
When comparing Civ 6 to Civ 5, while the graphics have changed and may be somewhat less detailed, the gameplay improvements for Civ 6 vastly outweigh that IMHO. Because when you get down to it, I play the Civilization games for their gameplay, NOT for their cutting edge graphics. And on the gameplay front it really seems like they are knocking it out of the fucking park with Civ 6.
So if any of you are really going to skip Civ 6 simply because the graphics are less detailed than Civ 5, well okay, goodbye, because in my opinion you were playing the Civ games for the wrong reasons in the first place then. You were valuing the wrong aspects of the game if the lower graphics are more important to you than the many gameplay improvements. Stay with Civ 5, its still a great game and its not going anywhere!
Myself, Ill be buying Civ 6 on day one.
Mehh, new graphical style works for me. Looked off in the initial screens, but in motion I like it a lot. It may have less fine detail, but it's far more vibrant and colorful and everything really pops out and is easy to see and differentiate.
Civ V can be quite drab looking and by mid game and especially late game when all your tiles are all built up things can look really messy. This new art style and the change in gameplay introducing districts really makes things far more differentiated.
Civ V can be quite drab looking and by mid game and especially late game when all your tiles are all built up things can look really messy. This new art style and the change in gameplay introducing districts really makes things far more differentiated.
a very cute dog
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This graphics toss-up, judging from even a few responses, seems way too personal. I don't think it's that big of a deal! I personally like the art style and am looking forward to the game, though I can understand how some would be disappointed in the change. Hopefully the core gameplay will be great. Based on what they've revealed it's a mistake to parallel this game with iOS apps.
Pagusas
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has anyone watched the main video on the Civ 6 Steam page? I hadn't seen it before but its a great introduction to all the changes in Civ 6, its basically a well produced fast forwarded look at the game from start to finish.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/289070/
(its the video that starts with the intro from Civ 1 and shows the game evolve into Civ 6)
http://store.steampowered.com/app/289070/
(its the video that starts with the intro from Civ 1 and shows the game evolve into Civ 6)
Boss Doggie
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I already said my piece in the graphics, so I tend to focus only more on the gameplay side. Who knows, maybe mods will allow an overhaul or something.
So it's more of integration of other culture? I'm a bit clueless on them since this is my first time seeing this civilization, and I am glad Civ is introducing them.
So it's more of integration of other culture? I'm a bit clueless on them since this is my first time seeing this civilization, and I am glad Civ is introducing them.
I'm only seeing the one video on the steam page and it's the announcement video from a few months back
piratethingy
Self professed bad raider
It's totally fine for people to not want to play the game because of the way it looks.
It's also totally fine for me to continue to think those people are "Celda sucks" all over again and may miss out on an amazing experience, like I know some did when WW came out.
And who knows, the game could be terrible or just simply a step back and it won't matter anyway. I'm super excited though, and the game looks graphically interesting to me! I'm excited to see what it looks like cranked on a 1080 and not blow up from screengrabs pulled off youtube from pre-release code.
We'll see! Can't wait to play.
P.S. NeoGAF is only representative of NeoGAF.
It's also totally fine for me to continue to think those people are "Celda sucks" all over again and may miss out on an amazing experience, like I know some did when WW came out.
And who knows, the game could be terrible or just simply a step back and it won't matter anyway. I'm super excited though, and the game looks graphically interesting to me! I'm excited to see what it looks like cranked on a 1080 and not blow up from screengrabs pulled off youtube from pre-release code.
We'll see! Can't wait to play.
P.S. NeoGAF is only representative of NeoGAF.
JimJamJones
Member
Well, I mean you can say you personally like the artstyle more, but stuff like detail on textures is lower for sure.
Well, the one on the right is blurry and the one on the left isn't.
Robottiimu2000
Member
How is it possible that hype is slowly building up for me for this! o.0
I have not followed the hype machine at all. I've seen like 1,5 minutes of video and watched a trailer to halfway through, I really don't even know anything about the game (besides the city thing being new and that the fog of war looks nice)... AND I'm still really disappointed about how CIV V was gimped at release and how much CIV IV was (even eventually) better than V...
So why the fanboy inside me, is telling me to pre-purchase, and setting up mental "PARTY!" and "WELCOME HOME" banners ion my mind and telling me of how this is going to awesome and I'm gonna lose a lot of work and sleep hours soon :F
I have not followed the hype machine at all. I've seen like 1,5 minutes of video and watched a trailer to halfway through, I really don't even know anything about the game (besides the city thing being new and that the fog of war looks nice)... AND I'm still really disappointed about how CIV V was gimped at release and how much CIV IV was (even eventually) better than V...
So why the fanboy inside me, is telling me to pre-purchase, and setting up mental "PARTY!" and "WELCOME HOME" banners ion my mind and telling me of how this is going to awesome and I'm gonna lose a lot of work and sleep hours soon :F
Civ V's visual style is way too busy and ill-suited to the type of game it actually is. It was difficult in many cases to discern hexes without the grid and even on individual tiles it's hard to tell at a glance exactly what terrain it was necessitating me keeping yields on at all times. In a vacuum though the game is very pretty.
Civ 6's art style is literally Civ 4 with hexes, it baffles me how this is suddenly a problem with people now.
Civ 6's art style is literally Civ 4 with hexes, it baffles me how this is suddenly a problem with people now.
MasterMenace
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Bought Civ5 on sale this past Steam Summer sale, and I couldn't get into it...it's just so complex and so many mechanics. I mean I never played a 4X game, but it looked fun, but it just seems way too long to get into...sadly 
Civ 6 looks cool as well, but it's just gunna be super complex to fully understand idk, seems like I can't get into super deep games.
Civ 6 looks cool as well, but it's just gunna be super complex to fully understand idk, seems like I can't get into super deep games.
Bought Civ5 on sale this past Steam Summer sale, and I couldn't get into it...it's just so complex and so many mechanics. I mean I never played a 4X game, but it looked fun, but it just seems way too long to get into...sadly
Just play on Settler difficulty and do what you want. It's more or less impossible to lose or be set back any significant amount on that difficulty so you're free to explore the mechanics and your options at your leisure. Don't feel pressured to understand everything right away.
When everything comes together and an understanding of what you're playing finally forms in your mind there's few better gaming experience than playing Civ.
Bolivar687
Banned
You can PM any doubt you have about the game mechanics and I'll gladly try to help. I'm no expert, by any means, but I know the basics well enough.Bought Civ5 on sale this past Steam Summer sale, and I couldn't get into it...it's just so complex and so many mechanics. I mean I never played a 4X game, but it looked fun, but it just seems way too long to get into...sadly
Civ 6 looks cool as well, but it's just gunna be super complex to fully understand idk, seems like I can't get into super deep games.
Bought Civ5 on sale this past Steam Summer sale, and I couldn't get into it...it's just so complex and so many mechanics. I mean I never played a 4X game, but it looked fun, but it just seems way too long to get into...sadly
Civ 6 looks cool as well, but it's just gunna be super complex to fully understand idk, seems like I can't get into super deep games.
Just play through the difficulties. Anything below king you'll learn what's good fast enough. The ai is really stupid and there aren't enough bonuses to make them a threat until 7 and 8 dificulty.
CrocMother
Banned
The graphics are an intentional design choice to make all the districts and wonders on the tiles more distinct and easily visible.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
ST2K
Member
I wonder if a mod to completely change the look of the game is even possible. That seems like the best option at this point, but I don't know if the game could support a mod of that scale.
There's nothing to fix, it's subjective.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Are there places that offer pre-order discount? Was surprised Steam isn't giving one.
That's what I was thinking. I love the art style.
But V already had the strategic view for that. It just reeks of being cheap, as if the strategy genre or the series itself isn't worth investing proper graphics for.