False advertising isn't something to be sued about now? Please don't be ridiculous there are numerous videos online that show Sean straight up saying there is online play and how you can do things with friends. Stop sticking up for these blatant lies to all of us.
A polite discourse amongst friends on the importance of MP-elements in No Man's Sky
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It is in fact true. Just clumps of planets, moons, and asteroids in skyboxes with a star pasted on a wall at infinity. These planets do not rotate around the star. Relative distances between planets in a system is constant.
If you've ever played Elite it's exactly the same. when you jump from one system to the next it loads. honestly if you tried to do it without jumping it would take you days/months to get to the next system assuming you didnt run out of fuel.
Its really baffling how quickly the opinion on this game changed with such a simple thing the devs were hoping people wouldnt notice. I never really cared about the multiplayer aspect of the game, Already bought it just for the exploration alone, I am just worried about the PC port now. But really, boggles my mind how quickly the tide turned.
This got me
I really don't see how anyone can defend this and some of the replies in here are baffling. The bottom line is as of right now, Sean Murray seemingly lied about a feature of the game. It's a small feature of the game, sure, but some people care greatly about it. Sean really needs to clear the situation up and IMO that needs to happen before the PC release, otherwise it's kind of scummy.
I think the messaging was very obtuse - deliberately obtuse at times. And I think the prospect of possibly meeting another player is what generated a big chunk of the hype of the game. This is what got many players dreaming - no matter how much the devs downplayed the feature. For some reason this didn't come to fruition in order not to drive away all these players from the game in the last days before release, they won't clarify at this point that the feature is not in the game.
Whether the feature was planned and cut or whether the Journey/Dark Souls comparisons where always bullshit is anyone's guess.
Please read the post. It's apparently not even possible to fly to other sun systems manually in NMS.
RichiRamjag
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Lol, good grief.
Sean is a dope for not giving a concise answer, but there was so much misinformation beforehand that it honestly shocks me that you guys brought the game before confirming. For almost every time he said it was in, he said it wasn't. That was a red flag to me from the start.
VlaudTheImpaler
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Ummm, Who is we? Did you read my question to you?
I mean, this was a big IP for Sony right? I would think if not NDA for publishing at least a time exclusive contract would contain something like this, hence all the push and marketing Sony did to promote the game. I bet Sean was even bound to use certain keywords and remain vague about the game in accordance to whatever contract was in place. I mean.. this is all speculation. But i do know this things can happen in the industry.
Yea.... you know, you need support from a big corporation like Sony and it helps you early in development, things like that are so far away that not many people think of them.
I dunno... just thinking as a developer here. Hello has been pretty open until now. So it makes me wonder why.
Peotical Injection
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Damn, had no Idea this was going to have multiplayer. I thought you could just name stuff, and other players that discovered it would see that you named it. Pretty messed up that the creator lied, but honestly I didn't follow this game close enough to ever hear him say that, so I was always under the impression that it was singleplayer with some online features. I will be picking it up tomorrow on Steam.
In terms of the law you can play with others. You can see their discoveries, you can communicate via planet names, you can meet them in a galaxy and go around and name things with them. This lawsuit would be thrown out.
Clockwork5
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Again, he clarified on Monday. The feature is not in the game.
Hm?
It would be very much like him. He has been cagey about this from the very beginning.
DeepEnigma
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Very good points (from a developer's perspective).
It's not possible in Elite either? If you were to get there nothing is there because it needs to the jump to load.
He didnt clarify, he sent out several contradictory statements.
Honestly, I think he is just terrible at public speaking. All his interviews seemed awkward and forced. Even with that said, I never really got the whole "what do you do?" issue. I may not have gotten every little piece of info and interview but it seemed pretty clear from the get go what the game was setting out to be and what it wasn't going to be. Certainly didn't stop peoples imaginations from running wild and they could've used dedicated PR to tone down the expectations. but anyway....
I have no idea what is going on with the current messaging. We have 1 instance(that I know of right now) of two people meeting and things didnt work as was previously described. Props to them for the effort but it is still just one example that could be explained away by a technical issue. Someone doing some packet sniffing, which doesnt really tell us much more than player location data isnt tracked in realtime(makes sense), and the radio silence. The latter being annoying and I don't know why he isnt talking. Maybe he may actually have been lying this entire time and just putting his head in the sand hoping it will go away or he has been told to button it due to whatever agreement he has. NDA may not be the correct term. My only experience is through my employment and what I can and cannot discuss in public/social media.
I didn't proofread it :/
VlaudTheImpaler
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I don't think it clarified anything, even so, like I said, he "clarified" on Twitter. Something that hardly any mainstream consumer is ever going to see compared to the platforms that he spoke about there being MP from.
Not at all. That is all done with a small amount of data from the disk and calculations.
They removed the only line of the description that implies that there may be any online functionality. Even the upload of discovery data didn't qualify, so clearly they were worried people would expect actual "multiplayer" if the store said that.
This has been a stealthy cover-up. Pure and simple. The release delay was likely a last attempt to get multiplayer working but they failed... so they pulled it from digital store fronts and packaging where able at the last minute.
I still want to know if the description on Steam store ever changed. Anyone know?
The answers he gave were ambiguous.
People have taken it to mean he's dodging an answer, it's a server issue, it's not in the game or isn't yet, etc.
It wasn't a good answer to the question people were asking.
Also he's been quite for a while now.
Found it myself
http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/02/artificial-universe-no-mans-sky/463308/
Disappointing
March of the Crabs
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He's actually telling the truth though? When I'm on a planet, I can see shit in the sky and I can go to all of it in my ship.
Krappadizzle
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We are still waiting to hear word from the devs whether it's No Man's Sky or MultiMan's Sky? I'm annoyed that it's taken them this long to address it.
There's a difference from not being a focus of the game and not being in the game. People are getting so stuck on HG saying it's not a main focus, as if people know what that means. It's either not a part of the game, or it is and HOW they've implemented needs to be clarified.
There's a difference from not being a focus of the game and not being in the game. People are getting so stuck on HG saying it's not a main focus, as if people know what that means. It's either not a part of the game, or it is and HOW they've implemented needs to be clarified.
try going to the sun.
Netherscourge
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So what happens when you get to the "edge" of a solar system? You hit an invisible wall?
I thought you could free-fly between solar systems?
Aliens colonial latrines? Are we sure gearbox didnt make no mans sky?
March of the Crabs
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Realistically wouldn't you just burn up if you went to the sun? If anything that saves everyone from an annoyance .
DOWN
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I get the point you're trying to make but I guess I'm curious to why anyone would want to go to the sun because all it's going to do is kill you.
The Jackdog
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I believe there have been more now.
And maybe your right. Sony did make this game a huge part of their line up. Look how many clips there are of him being obtuse about multiplayer too. Lets be honest here, a ton of people are saying '1 small feature didnt make it in' but the idea of being able to do the things he said youd be doing put peoples hype levels through the roof.
So maybe sony did restrict what he could say in order to keep the hype balloon inflated. or maybe he himself was cagey about it because he knew it wasnt in and it was a big part of peoples excitement.
thecouncil
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sean lied, gamers cried.
The messaging was definitely deliberately obtuse, I agree. And you're right on the player expectation.
OK, next question: (and I'm not accusing you of this)
How does calling out Sean as a liar and essentially accusing the developer of fraud, when it is possible that there are still unknowns at play, affect the outcome in favor of the player? I can understand that people are angry and they definitely want their multiplayer, and I believe with enough coercion that the developer could accommodate those players. But why so much venom and toxicity over it? Especially when they actually made efforts to try and manage expectations beforehand, despite how ineffective those efforts were?
This is and has always been my main complaint here. I can understand wanting that feature in the game if it was cut, I can understand wanting it more accessible. I am mainly questioning the method of which people are using to achieve their goals here. This is what set me off to even post, that people are just straight up throwing accusations around without knowing all the facts and getting huffy because they're not getting a swift response.
I can sort of understand it as conditioning from other AAA companies that just let shit linger and don't fix their game and leave it to rot, but I'm hoping for a better answer because yes, poor indie dev. They're not some huge behemoth like EA or Ubisoft, where communication just gets lost in the shuffle. It's a small group of people.
DeepEnigma
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I dont believe for a second that Sean isnt saying anything about the issue because of any NDA. One, the game launched, and two, he said time and time again for people to not buy his game hoping for this, or that thing other games were doing. "dont buy my game, it isnt X" wouldnt be expressed even in thought If he had an NDA haning in his head. From What I see, there is two possibilities.
1: He was lying through his teeth, and the silence is to make as much sales as possible, and in case of the PC release, make people play more than the 2 hours eligible for a refund. from what I know, preorders are refunded no questions asked by valve, arent they? Its a bit harder after the 2 hours unless the dev talks to valve to grant the refunds, something is a lot more rare (Arkham Knight levels of fuckery).
2: There is some form of multiplayer that isnt working at the moment, and they are not responding because of insane amount of crunch time and they generally being dead to the world until they make the date for PC release. (I dont believe its "adding features"), dont remember any game dev saying they are adding a new form of AA or ATI compatibiliy drivers a week before launch.
Lying or not, we saw those people are on some serious crunch since the game went gold for PS4. Like, unhealthy levels. The silence could be this, our it could be that he was lying, and to be honest, that would tank my faith in the industry for good. That a person could go on live television and lie to the face of Colbert. I am not even american and understand you just dont do that unless you have no morals whatsoever.
1: He was lying through his teeth, and the silence is to make as much sales as possible, and in case of the PC release, make people play more than the 2 hours eligible for a refund. from what I know, preorders are refunded no questions asked by valve, arent they? Its a bit harder after the 2 hours unless the dev talks to valve to grant the refunds, something is a lot more rare (Arkham Knight levels of fuckery).
2: There is some form of multiplayer that isnt working at the moment, and they are not responding because of insane amount of crunch time and they generally being dead to the world until they make the date for PC release. (I dont believe its "adding features"), dont remember any game dev saying they are adding a new form of AA or ATI compatibiliy drivers a week before launch.
Lying or not, we saw those people are on some serious crunch since the game went gold for PS4. Like, unhealthy levels. The silence could be this, our it could be that he was lying, and to be honest, that would tank my faith in the industry for good. That a person could go on live television and lie to the face of Colbert. I am not even american and understand you just dont do that unless you have no morals whatsoever.
What is it that gets some people into defense mode immediately and they miss the point by miles with their argument?
Correct, the planets and stars you see in the nightsky are actual places you can go too. In that sense it's not entirely faked.
The planet does rotate (as otherwise space stations would be at the same spot when leaving the earth) but they disconnected the day of time of the planet rotation for whatever reason. Probably because it was too intensive on the hardware.
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