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[Relique]

Watching the meltdowns about this game for the past few weeks is almost worth sixty dollars. The behavior of some of the members here is mind boggling though and seeing the cycle repeat itself with every controversial game release is getting quite tedious. I should learn that when I feel like putting every other poster in a thread on the ignore list then maybe it's time to abandon thread.

 

[Bytes]

He said no on Monday.

Yes.....the day before release. That's a great time to hint to people that one of their anticipated features isn't there.

 

[flkraven]

He said no on Monday.

He did not. Read his very next tweet. He said that 'the odds were so small, that it will probably never happen'. As in, it's possible, not probable. Quite literally 'so your saying there's a chance.gif'

 

[Two Words]

Sean literally said on national television that you would be able to see other people. Those words came directly out of his mouth while he was talking to Stephen Colbert. Sean has never corrected that.

Sean lied to Stephen Colbert. Think about that.

 

[Sounder2]

So much outrage for something that is so largely irrelevant. Currently you can't see other players no amount of complaining on the internet is going to change that. The point has been made that people want a multiplayer feature no matter how small it may be. So they may implement it, they may not. If you don't like the game don't play\buy it. If you bought it and you feel cheated don't buy the next game he makes. Nobody made you pre-order or buy it without confirmation of a feature that apparently is so important to everyone. Especially since as of Monday he sent out that tweet about the multiplayer aspect of the game which would've given you time still to cancel your pre-order or even not purchase.

Sean misled us but he also has clearly said this isn't a multiplayer experience.

 

[brau]

So... what happened? what i miss guys?

 

[Clockwork5]

so by your definition of a multiplayer game, no mans sky, according to sean murray himself, is a multiplayer game.

he said, as posted a billion times here, you can interact with other players. he said that you could see other players.

if i can see another player, im playing with him correct?

but i cant do that. no one can. so. he lied.

No you cannot see them.

Yes he lied.

 

[Nickle]

Watching the meltdowns about this game for the past few weeks is almost worth sixty dollars. The behavior of some of the members here is mind boggling though and seeing the cycle repeat itself with every controversial game release is getting quite tedious. I should learn that when I feel like putting every other poster in a thread on the ignore list then maybe it's time to abandon thread.

So whats your opinion on the matter?

So... what happened? what i miss guys?

Other players

 

[Bytes]

So... what happened? what i miss guys?

Crackachu's love has failed to stem the tide.

 

[The Sum of Zero]

So much outrage for something that is so largely irrelevant. Currently you can't see other players no amount of complaining on the internet is going to change that. The point has been made that people want a multiplayer feature no matter how small it may be.

Sean misled us but he also has clearly said this isn't a multiplayer experience.

Exactly. This news doesn't bother me in the slightest.

just eager to shitpost your way to neoGAF valhalla

I'm gonna use this. Perfect description.

 

[DeepEnigma]

So... what happened? what i miss guys?

Repeat of yesterday, with added NDA flavor.

 

[flkraven]

So... what happened? what i miss guys?

Literally nothing.

NMS devs haven't said anything. I suspect they are waiting until the PC release tomorrow. This thread is the same, with mountains of evidence showing Sean building up expectations and the same driveby's saying 'but, this was never going to have multiplayer'.

 

[DJ88]

This need to be posted again.

So Sean should definitely have given a real answer by now, no question. Every day he doesn't just makes this look worse. Hopefully Sony isn't preventing him or anything like that, but I can't imagine what would be keeping him from saying something definitive.

But I can't help but roll my eyes at the way this is being waved around as some sort of smoking gun for why the whole game is a sham or something. All by the same people who've been trying to rain on this game's parade for two and a half years now, often under the guise of trying to keep folks' hype in check while coming off as a transparent attempt to feel superior to everyone else.

So it sucks to see so many people latching onto this as the "I told ya so" moment of the hype cycle. It sucks to see this gain so much traction and somewhat undercut the astounding achievement of what NMS actually is, and what it DID deliver on: pretty much every other thing promised by the developers (not imagined by people half-paying attention) and more still to come.

I'm not saying we shouldn't talk about it, because it is a cool feature that I was excited to maybe one day utilize in the game. Sean needs to say something ASAP, whether it's a yes, no or "soon". It just sucks to see so much of the current conversation about the game dominated by the lack of a feature that so few people would ever get to use anyway.

 

[Phaezyk]

It's impossible that my favorite indie developer ever told a lie!!!!


Arguably, my responses became shorter because we've been those same drive-by defense posts containing the same weak arguments several times.

I don't think my defense is weak, I think it is incredibly strong. I think the fact that you've had to have it told to you "1000s" of times already is indicative of something else other than "argument is weak". You clearly don't read my posts carefully enough and are just eager to shitpost your way to neoGAF valhalla or else you'd see that I don't own this game. If he were my favorite indie developer that would be kind of weird, yes?

OK so they've mentioned the feature multiple times including being able to see each other, but never showing it.

You want discussion, OK. Let's start here. What reason would they have to drop hints about this feature, never show it, and then when two players take the easiest path toward accomplishing the goal of meeting up and fall short of doing so, the entire studio remains tight-lipped? Let's answer that question. What possible reasons could they have...?

 

[Ban Puncher]

B^U

 

[Bedlam]

The thing is, he tweeted it right before release, while tweeting a minute later that it'd almost be impossible to come across a player.

Meaning that it's still possible, which means you should be able to come across and see other players.

It has multiplayer features. People want a clear answer.

He did not. Read his very next tweet. He said that 'the odds were so small, that it will probably never happen'. As in, it's possible, not probable. Quite literally 'so your saying there's a chance.gif'

Don't bother guys.

He will just shout the same line again.

 

[habithipster]

Spoilers ahead. Each solar system is in a skybox, you warp from skybox solar system to skybox solar system within the starting galaxy. You try to get to the center of your galaxy and you're then able to "hyperwarp" to another galaxy in what appears to be a differently named dimension, and repeat the whole process.

Yes, many have tried to fly to the sun and they cannot get closer to it, let alone fly to a different solar system altogether. You are loosely bound to the groupings of planets and moons in the solar system you start or warp to.

Does flying in space feel like traversing a vast galaxy or does it feel more like a glorified planet selection menu? That's my main worry. I like how it is in Elite Dangerous.

 

[Not Spaceghost]

He said no on Monday.

He didn't say no he said something like if you were looking for a multiplayer focused experience no mans sky wasn't for you.

Which can be interpreted on its own to mean no MP or that because MP is rare it might disappoint you if you want to just meet us with people.

 

[VlaudTheImpaler]

No I would know it's not a multiplayer game.

Let me ask you this. Which platforms do you think are larger? Late Night tv and youtube or a single Twitter account that your average consumer is most likely unaware even exists?

I've seen multiple people here on Gaf that hadn't even been planning on getting the game so had been following it very little and still had seen and remembered the stuff that Sean had said about MP because the platforms from which he spoke where so large.

Now other large platforms like IGN and other gaming websites are asking for clarification. The damage has already been done though because I doubt that they will clarify everything on as large of a platform as they made the mistake in the first place so a bunch of people are still going to be buying the game thinking that MP is in.

 

[Two Words]

If this was anEA game, there would be nobody defending the blatant lies.

 

[The Jackdog]

No you cannot see them.

Yes he lied.

so....you....agree....with....most people here?

 

[Clockwork5]

Don't bother guys.

He will just shout the same line again.

I think you should post more of that gif too.

 

[Anion]

So much outrage for something that is so largely irrelevant. Currently you can't see other players no amount of complaining on the internet is going to change that. The point has been made that people want a multiplayer feature no matter how small it may be.

Sean misled us but he also has clearly said this isn't a multiplayer experience.

I think people are upset at his conflicting answers.
The day I heard his odd backtracking and conflicting answers to different people, I decided I would wait until release to see how things play out.


I just don't understand why (unless he was trying to feed hype) he didn't clarify right from the beginning. This is no quantum mechanical question. No need to give answers that appear like the Heisenberg Uncertainty principle

 

[gtabmx]

Well, this is even worse... I thought they said at some point you could fly between solar systems without using warp but that it would take a long time... but not like that

Next: there are only a few million planets

They said a lot of things, lol. Honestly, I really want this game to be good and live up to the expectations, and it still can be good despite this. Also, lol'd at your joke. We wouldn't even be able to tell if there was "just a few million".

That's disappointing, but I'm not sure if they promised that? Apparently does that not even quite work in Elite dangerous.

They did. Sean said he didn't like that other games used skyboxes, and in this game there wouldn't be any. If you see something, like a mountain, a planet, a star, you can go there. I'm paraphrasing, but if you really want me to dig up the interview/video, I will.

 

[EvB]

Crackachu's love has failed to stem the tide.

This thread needs more Crackachu

 

[mckmas8808]

If that were true, why promote adding features to make finding players easier?

If there is genuinely no MP component to this game beyond the sharing of named/discovered stuff, it'd make no sense whatsoever to add, much less promote, a feature that would reveal the truth that he is (according to some) trying to hide.

Nobody can accept that maybe it's just not working properly right now.

 

[flkraven]

If this was anEA game, there would be nobody defending the blatant lies.

EA would have responded by now.

 

[Bedlam]

I don't think my defense is weak, I think it is incredibly strong. I think the fact that you've had to have it told to you "1000s" of times already is indicative of something else other than "argument is weak". You clearly don't read my posts carefully enough and are just eager to shitpost your way to neoGAF valhalla or else you'd see that I don't own this game. If he were my favorite indie developer that would be kind of weird, yes?

Don't worry, I've read it. Everything you said has been posted before and received a nice, long response.

You want discussion, OK. Let's start here. What reason would they have to drop hints about this feature, never show it, and then when two players take the easiest path toward accomplishing the goal of meeting up and fall short of doing so, the entire studio remains tight-lipped? Let's answer that question. What possible reasons could they have...?

Sales.

I think you should post more of that gif too.

I never posted that gif even once.

 

[brau]

I can believe that Hello is tied with NDAs through Sony until the game releases on Steam. It actually makes sense.

So what is the whole NDA all about?

EDIT: i miss crackachu.

 

[Phaezyk]

No you cannot see them.

Yes he lied.

Why do you skip the possible reasoning of "it's a bug" or "additional conditions required' and skip straight to "LIES"? Simple question here, Should be a simple answer.

 

[Sounder2]

I think people are upset at his conflicting answers.
The day I heard his odd backtracking and conflicting answers to different people, I decided I would wait until release to see how things play out.


I just don't understand why (unless he was trying to feed hype) he didn't clarify right from the beginning. This is no quantum mechanical question. No need to give answers that appear like the Heisenberg Uncertainty principle

Ok so if they were upset by his answers/pr speak. Then they still had time to not buy the game and wait for confirmation of this feature which, if this thread is anything to go by, is a deal breaking feature. If people were concerned and still bought anyway thats a personal issue.

 

[Clockwork5]

so....you....agree....with....most people here?

Not really.

Most people are demanding answers.

I recognize that we already got one.

 

[DataGhost]

I can believe that Hello is tied with NDAs through Sony until the game releases on Steam. It actually makes sense.

So what is the whole NDA all about?

EDIT: i miss crackachu.

Nothing, just speculation

 

[Netherscourge]

There are several ways for Sean to get out of this unscathed and still make everyone happy.

Not saying anything is NOT one of them though!

 

[The Sum of Zero]

Edit: meant to edit, not new post.

 

[DeepEnigma]

If this was anEA game, there would be nobody defending the blatant lies.

Yes there would, don't be disingenuous.

 

[Bedlam]

I can believe that Hello is tied with NDAs through Sony until the game releases on Steam. It actually makes sense.

So what is the whole NDA all about?

Why would the NDA suddenly kick in halfway through day 1?

 

[Tryxx]

That box art shit is shady as fuck by Sony. I smell a law suit coming very soon.

 

[Sounder2]

That box art shit is shady as fuck by Sony. I smell a law suit coming very soon.

Which would be thrown out immediately by nearly any judge that has a brain.

 

[Brashnir]

Does flying in space feel like traversing a vast galaxy or does it feel more like a glorified planet selection menu? That's my main worry. I like how it is in Elite Dangerous.

It's a literal menu going from star to star.

When in a solar system, every planet and space station is crammed right together in a small space. They don't orbit a star, there's just a clump of planets and moons.

Honestly, it all makes enough sense from a game design perspective. They make it easy to get from one place to another, because long spaceflights aren't what the game is about.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Why would the NDA suddenly kick in halfway through day 1?

Sony be like this to Sean on Day 1:

 

[Lothars]

Nobody can accept that maybe it's just not working properly right now.

Yup they can only say he lied. It's just sad honestly. If it was taken out and they are hiding that fact than it's completely justified to be upset about it but if it's not working and there are server issues I think people are jumping to negative conclusions way to fast but it also seems like to me that some have an agenda against the game.

 

[Clockwork5]

Why do you skip the possible reasoning of "it's a bug" or "additional conditions required' and skip straight to "LIES"? Simple question here, Should be a simple answer.

The game pauses when you hit the options button. AI pauses, time of day pauses, weather pauses.

No data packets are sent relaying player positional data.

Also, Sean said it wasn't a multiplayer game.

 

[thecouncil]

Ok, I stepped away from the computer for a bit there to try to find another player in this game. Didn't see anyone though. My fault, not Sean's.

Anyway, has Sean commented yet? I assume he's been asleep this whole time because he's tired from all the excitement of launch? Don't wake him. Let him sleep, please. He needs that.

Also, have we at least agreed that he didn't lie? That's what's most important to me. Do people around here even know what a 'lie' is? It's when you don't tell the truth. That's not Sean. I've seen all the videos and interviews and, at worst, he's misheard the question every time.

Calling someone a liar, especially someone this humble, is an awful thing to do. He was barefoot during an interview once. I'm baffled as to how someone could call a person like that a "liar".

#seantoldthetruth #itsmyfault #imnotplayingright

 

[Phaezyk]

Sales.

OK, so in this instance you believe that this developer is trying to push a feature that they've explained is not the main focus of the game, and is really hard to accomplish, for the sake of sales.

Next question, why would they explain that multiplayer is not the focus of the game, and to not go looking for it ahead of the release if they wanted to raise sales? Is this not the antithesis of generating sales? Do you believe there may be mixed messaging going on between different parties?

 

[Netherscourge]

I can believe that Hello is tied with NDAs through Sony until the game releases on Steam. It actually makes sense.

So what is the whole NDA all about?

EDIT: i miss crackachu.

I think it's insane that Hello Games would sign anything that limits their ability to discuss their own fucking game publicly.

I hope they made a ton of money off Sony for giving up speaking rights on their own product. Otherwise, I weep for Sean Murray.

 

[Eumi]

I cannot believe people are still defending the silence from the devs.

Like, defending not having the feature, I get that. But the silence and likely misinformation? It's baffling.

I'm honestly more curious to find out why they haven't said anything. Because at the end of the day it is a tiny feature in what seems to be a huge feature list. You'd think any dev would immediately respond, but here we are.

Tbh it's kinda put a downer on the game for me. I was gonna look at impressions and maybe buy it when I get back home (currently on a trip) if they were good, but this has been the dominating conversation, that the devs may have lied about content.

Hope it gets fixed soon. I would hate if a potentially amazing game like this was dragged down by some bad PR.

 

[gtabmx]

Does flying in space feel like traversing a vast galaxy or does it feel more like a glorified planet selection menu? That's my main worry. I like how it is in Elite Dangerous.

I have no hands on experience with the game yet, but from all the "le'ts plays" and other videos and twitch streams I've seen, traversing the galaxy is not just a loading screen, but actually has nice visuals to it. Check out the first minute and a half: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMcNoXB3Fu8

 

[Iva Demilcol]

While we can debate forever about how impactful seeing another player in this game is, and whether there is any validity or interpretation of all those interviews of Sean saying you can run into someones else, we have to at lest understand that this isn't sitting will with what seems like many fans of the game that want to enjoy it.

However, what I think is a bigger issue, that is completely ignored by most, is that we can't actual fly anywhere in space, and need to rely on warps (which ARE loading screens). Every solar/star system is just a skybox around some planets and moons. You cannot fly to any star, period. You cannot go to a sun because it is a non-physical entity at "infinity", which eventually causes a floating point precision error when you're x,y,z coords are too high from 0,0,0 which is the middle of the skybox. There are many videos showing the result of these errors.

With every day, more and more things about the game are not living up to the hype that the devs established.

Wow, is that true? Because if true this is even worse than what is been discussed in this thread.

 

[Phaezyk]

The game pauses when you hit the options button. AI pauses, time of day pauses, weather pauses.

No data packets are sent relaying player positional data.

Also, Sean said it wasn't a multiplayer game.

Ah, OK. So you know for a certain fact that those flags for pausing the environment don't ever deactivate for any reason other than unpausing the game, and not just a mem/packet dump that showed environmental/networking data at the time of collection?