A polite discourse amongst friends on the importance of MP-elements in No Man's Sky

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KingSnake said:
I saw you post this a number of times.

To get this straight, you believe that NMS will have a multiplayer where you can play along other player (Journey) or play along with ghosts of other players (Dark Souls)?

Because none of that is happening either.
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I'm not sure he really knows what his argument is. Either that or he's being dishonest.
 
VlaudTheImpaler said:
I don't think it clarified anything, even so, like I said, he "clarified" on Twitter. Something that hardly any mainstream consumer is ever going to see compared to the platforms that he spoke about there being MP from.
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He said it on Twitter which then got dispersed throughout the entirety of the the gaming space on the Internet.

I don't even have Twitter and I was fully aware of his tweet.
 
thecouncil said:
Ok, I stepped away from the computer for a bit there to try to find another player in this game. Didn't see anyone though. My fault, not Sean's.

Anyway, has Sean commented yet? I assume he's been asleep this whole time because he's tired from all the excitement of launch? Don't wake him. Let him sleep, please. He needs that.

Also, have we at least agreed that he didn't lie? That's what's most important to me. Do people around here even know what a 'lie' is? It's when you don't tell the truth. That's not Sean. I've seen all the videos and interviews and, at worst, he's misheard the question every time.

Calling someone a liar, especially someone this humble, is an awful thing to do. He was barefoot during an interview once. I'm baffled as to how someone could call a person like that a "liar".

#seantoldthetruth #itsmyfault #imnotplayingright
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President Nixon was born barefoot so it stands to reason that he was the most honest man on Earth.
 
Phaezyk said:
Why do you skip the possible reasoning of "it's a bug" or "additional conditions required' and skip straight to "LIES"? Simple question here, Should be a simple answer.
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Because Sean keeps skipping the tweets that ask about the feature
 
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Bedlam said:
What is it that gets some people into defense mode immediately and they miss the point by miles with their argument?
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I don't think they're arguing, they just don't care about that point.

Similar to Angry Joe getting upset that you have to find a key or do something specific to get past a door....when you have superpowers and/or a rocket launcher. "Why can't I just blow the door and wall away".

In other words...some people think the point is silly or worthless. It's not something they'd get worked up over.

I'd find flying into the sun funny though.
 
Lulzwagon said:
He's actually telling the truth though? When I'm on a planet, I can see shit in the sky and I can go to all of it in my ship.
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He said you can go to a star that you see. You can't. You can go to the system of planets that is near that star, but you're limited. Less freedom.


Netherscourge said:
So what happens when you get to the "edge" of a solar system? You hit an invisible wall?

I thought you could free-fly between solar systems?
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As your x,y,x, coords increase, they become so large that your client runs into a floating point precision errors, causing graphical bugs. You'll never reach the "wall". Some guy tried for 2+ hours, his HUD and ship disappeared from view. I guess the errors would get so bad your game would crash.


Sounder2 said:
I get the point you're trying to make but I guess I'm curious to why anyone would want to go to the sun because all it's going to do is kill you.
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Freedom. I can get killed on a toxic planet, but I have protection. I may want to see the sun closer, or just move around in empty space. I want to explore after all.
 
Clockwork5 said:
Again, he clarified on Monday. The feature is not in the game.
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Where did he say that? He said don't go into it looking for multiplayer, which he was saying back when he was also still claiming you can encounter and see other players and even friends, but even Journey and Souls devs said that and they still had the feature they promoted in which you encounter other players. No Man's Sky doesn't even appear to have the feature it said it had. Stop playing obtuse as if people are asking for true co op or matchmaking. People just want to see other players in some fashion like he had claimed would happen, uncommon as it would be.
 
Phaezyk said:
The messaging was definitely deliberately obtuse, I agree. And you're right on the player expectation.

OK, next question: (and I'm not accusing you of this)

How does calling out Sean as a liar and essentially accusing the developer of fraud, when it is possible that there are still unknowns at play, affect the outcome in favor of the player? I can understand that people are angry and they definitely want their multiplayer, and I believe with enough coercion that the developer could accommodate those players. But why so much venom and toxicity over it? Especially when they actually made efforts to try and manage expectations beforehand, despite how ineffective those efforts were?

This is and has always been my main complaint here. I can understand wanting that feature in the game if it was cut, I can understand wanting it more accessible. I am mainly questioning the method of which people are using to achieve their goals here. This is what set me off to even post, that people are just straight up throwing accusations around without knowing all the facts and getting huffy because they're not getting a swift response.

I can sort of understand it as conditioning from other AAA companies that just let shit linger and don't fix their game and leave it to rot, but I'm hoping for a better answer because yes, poor indie dev. They're not some huge behemoth like EA or Ubisoft, where communication just gets lost in the shuffle. It's a small group of people.
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Mainly because of the timing of the sudden radio silence when the issue started to blow up and the tweets before that which STILL contained deliberate misinformation and obtuse messaging, alluding to MP features that very likely don't exist.

A single, short saying notice that tech issues are currently responsible for players not seeing each other would've been enough to prevent this whole shitstorm. It would've been in the interest of all parties: the devs, the publisher, the players. The fact that this tweet was not made but the radio silence all of a sudden started intead is very telling.

Sounder2 said:
It's clear you're just trying to get a rise out of people so unfortunately our discussion ends here.
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Cool.

It was the "no one needs the feature, it was a minor feature anyway" argument all over again anyway. There is nothing to discuss really.
 
Sounder2 said:
I get the point you're trying to make but I guess I'm curious to why anyone would want to go to the sun because all it's going to do is kill you.
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Thats the magic of videogames, you can do everything, from heroic to stupid, without thinking much about consequences.
 
Clockwork5 said:
He said it on Twitter which then got dispersed throughout the entirety of the the gaming space on the Internet.

I don't even have Twitter and I was fully aware of his tweet.
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In his Tweet, he says he "clarifies" that NMS is not a multiplayer game. That means that he must have said something before about not being able to see other players.
 
Clockwork5 said:
He said it on Twitter which then got dispersed throughout the entirety of the the gaming space on the Internet.

I don't even have Twitter and I was fully aware of his tweet.
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What gaming space? Forums?

Even if it was, do you really thing that those platforms are bigger than the ones he spoke from for years? Do you really expect the average consumer to hunt down every piece of info to stay up to date?

I don't get how it's hard to understand that people, a whole lot of people, are asking for clarification?
 
DOWN said:
Because Sean keeps skipping the tweets that ask about the feature
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The Jackdog said:
because they would of said something by now
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OK, so I can get behind that reasoning if it were a bug.

If we just haven't triggered the condition yet, however, why would they want to give it away if it were supposed to be an awesome easter egg? Would you do the same in their position? I suppose I might if the response became this loud. But that doesn't seem to be the case with them. Maybe they're stronger willed about it, and yes maybe the feature was cut. People want answers, but I just think it's a bit soon to start with accusations of lying and fraud which essentially serve no purpose but to defame, specifically because the feature, to the developers, was never seen as a significant part of the overall experience. Maybe you can cite them as being deaf to their audience, sure.
 
gtabmx said:
He said you can go to a star that you see. You can't. You can go to the system of planets that is near that star, but you're limited. Less freedom.




As your x,y,x, coords increase, they become so large that your client runs into a floating point precision errors, causing graphical bugs. You'll never reach the "wall". Some guy tried for 2+ hours, his HUD and ship disappeared from view. I guess the errors would get so bad your game would crash.
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Correct. It's very similar to E:D in that regard. Any promises beyond that are ludicrous.

I think what he meant was that anything you can see in the sky you can fly to, but you will be warping there to allow for the load screen. No "false" stars in the sky.
 
Phaezyk said:
OK, so I can get behind that reasoning if it were a bug.

If we just haven't triggered the condition yet, however, why would they want to give it away if it were supposed to be an awesome easter egg? Would you do the same in their position? I suppose I might if the response became this loud. But that doesn't seem to be the case with them. Maybe they're stronger willed about it, and yes maybe the feature was cut. People want answers, but I just think it's a bit soon to start with accusations of lying and fraud which essentially serve no purpose but to defame.
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That'd be amazing, but I don't think that's it.
They've already talked about multiplayer before, and all they'd need to tweet is "you can see players, glhf ;)" and people would've known it's some kind of egg.
 
Phaezyk said:
OK, so I can get behind that reasoning if it were a bug.

If we just haven't triggered the condition yet, however, why would they want to give it away if it were supposed to be an awesome easter egg? Would you do the same in their position? I suppose I might if the response became this loud. But that doesn't seem to be the case with them. Maybe they're stronger willed about it, and yes maybe the feature was cut. People want answers, but I just think it's a bit soon to start with accusations of lying and fraud which essentially serve no purpose but to defame.
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He could just say, "Yes, you can meet, but under certain conditions that were not met so far."

I think Sean is in denial, to be honest. He wants to rake out on the positivity on the game being launched after all these years of crunch while at the same time ignoring any issues.
 
Sounder2 said:
If you've ever played Elite it's exactly the same. when you jump from one system to the next it loads. honestly if you tried to do it without jumping it would take you days/months to get to the next system assuming you didnt run out of fuel.
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Elite a actually simulates the orbits and rotations though. Sit on a planet in elite and day/night cycles will occur and the stars and planets will move with the rotation.
 
shandy706 said:
I don't think they're arguing, they just don't care about that point.

Similar to Angry Joe getting upset that you have to find a key or do something specific to get past a door....when you have superpowers and/or a rocket launcher. "Why can't I just blow the door and wall away".

In other words...some people think the point is silly or worthless. It's not something they'd get worked up over.

I'd find flying into the sun funny though.
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The point was not whether you should be able to fly into the sun or not (or whether it makes sense), but about whether the universe is a huge free roam zone or just several very big but seperate spaces.
 
gamechanger87 said:
Correct. It's very similar to E:D in that regard. Any promises beyond that are ludicrous.

I think what he meant was that anything you can see in the sky you can fly to, but you will be warping there to allow for the load screen. No "false" stars in the sky.
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Actually I do believe he said that you could point your ship to a system and fly there without your "warp" but that it would take forever to get there that way. At least I remember a gaffer saying that.
 
Phaezyk said:
OK, so I can get behind that reasoning if it were a bug.

If we just haven't triggered the condition yet, however, why would they want to give it away if it were supposed to be an awesome easter egg? Would you do the same in their position? I suppose I might if the response became this loud. But that doesn't seem to be the case with them. Maybe they're stronger willed about it, and yes maybe the feature was cut. People want answers, but I just think it's a bit soon to start with accusations of lying and fraud which essentially serve no purpose but to defame, specifically because the feature, to the developers, was never seen as a significant part of the overall experience. Maybe you can cite them as being deaf to their audience, sure.
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alright, fair. maybe it is some super obscure easter egg. weve seen only evidence to the contrary. but okay. fine. lets say it is.

but if friday, post PC release, they come out and officially say "youll never see another player" can you tell me how you would feel then?
 
http://www.no-mans-sky.com/support/

"We are aware of a few different issues reported by our community that we are working on a patch for.

(...)

Known issues:

We are aware of a few different issues reported by our community that we are working on a patch for.

People who have pre-ordered the game and want to redeem their special items may not be seeing them because they are named differently in the game.
The Alpha Vector ship is named Domanish S84 in-game, and (in the US) the Rezosu AZ65 is named Final Shadow XIV in game. (if you still don’t see them please contact support as per above)"
 
Phaezyk said:
OK, so I can get behind that reasoning if it were a bug.

If we just haven't triggered the condition yet, however, why would they want to give it away if it were supposed to be an awesome easter egg? Would you do the same in their position? I suppose I might if the response became this loud. But that doesn't seem to be the case with them. Maybe they're stronger willed about it, and yes maybe the feature was cut. People want answers, but I just think it's a bit soon to start with accusations of lying and fraud which essentially serve no purpose but to defame, specifically because the feature, to the developers, was never seen as a significant part of the overall experience. Maybe you can cite them as being deaf to their audience, sure.
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This is not about Easter Eggs or special trigger conditions.

He talked about the functionality in the past again and again. It's no mystery. In fact, people went into this game expecting to be able to see other players. Why would he suddenly not repeat his statement from back then? That's all players want to hear.
 
VlaudTheImpaler said:
Actually I do believe he said that you could point your ship to a system and fly there without your "warp" but that it would take forever to get there that way. At least I remember a gaffer saying that.
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You're right. Actually he said something to the effect of "you can, it would take a long time, but none of our developers or testers have had the patience to try", implying that it was possible, but a waste of time. But some people like to waste time for the sake of it, lol.
 
Tryxx said:
False advertising isn't something to be sued about now? Please don't be ridiculous there are numerous videos online that show Sean straight up saying there is online play and how you can do things with friends. Stop sticking up for these blatant lies to all of us.
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I'm in this boat myself. If you make promises and don't back down on them after the game comes out, then you falsely advertised your game. Just because it's not in a form of a traditional ad doesn't make it any less an ad. In case anyone doubts that, the definition:

advertisement: a notice or announcement in a public medium promoting a product, service, or event or publicizing a job vacancy.
 
The Jackdog said:
I believe there have been more now.

And maybe your right. Sony did make this game a huge part of their line up. Look how many clips there are of him being obtuse about multiplayer too. Lets be honest here, a ton of people are saying '1 small feature didnt make it in' but the idea of being able to do the things he said youd be doing put peoples hype levels through the roof.

So maybe sony did restrict what he could say in order to keep the hype balloon inflated. or maybe he himself was cagey about it because he knew it wasnt in and it was a big part of peoples excitement.
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If there are more can you point me to them? Reddit? My personal stance is it's certainly a feature I am interested in. Ive defended the feature in the what do you do threads and will be pretty dissapointed if its not included. Im just not about to jump on the fire and brimstone bandwagon and shout about lies, conspiracy and malice until we have more evidence or an actual communication from the dev.
 
Sounder2 said:
I get the point you're trying to make but I guess I'm curious to why anyone would want to go to the sun because all it's going to do is kill you.
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Flying into the sun is something I wanted to do before I bought the game. Of course we know it's going to kill us, but for me it's having the freedom to do so. The thought of how far will I make it before I burn up? How close can I actually get? Will I survive long enough to actually fly into the sun?
 
Bedlam said:
Mainly because of the timing of the sudden radio silence when the issue started to blow up and the tweets before that which STILL contained deliberate misinformation and obtuse messaging, alluding to MP features that very likely don't exist.

A single, short saying notice that tech issues are currently responsible for players not seeing each other would've been enough to prevent this whole shitstorm. It would've been in the interest of all parties: the devs, the publisher, the players. The fact that this tweet was not made but the radio silence all of a sudden started instead is very telling.
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I agree and understand that positioning but that doesn't really answer the question you highlighted, at least I'm not seeing it.

I agree that a more timely response on their part.would have benefited everyone. What I'm mainly asking is why can't we save the accusations for after we've received the response?

Because right now to someone out of the loop it just reflects poorly on the studio.

It looks to me like players are just trashing the studio because they didn't get what they wanted in one way or another, to purposely harm them (sales).

Feel free to ridicule me here for this, but...

In a way, this is a fucked up hostage situation. We can't just ask for answers, and escalate in an appropriate fashion over time? We have to skip right to the end and go all out? I mean, am I just sort of questioning human nature at this point and should just learn to live with it?
 
gtabmx said:
You're right. Actually he said something to the effect of "you can, it would take a long time, but none of our developers or testers have had the patience to try", implying that it was possible, but a waste of time. But some people like to waste time for the sake of it, lol.
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Ahh, yeah, that's it. Thanks!

Would be great if you could provide a link if you could find it. It maybe actually something to ad to the OP if you really can't do that. That is a pretty big one IMO.
 
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