Reizo Ryuu
Gold Member
I guess super, AE and Ultra all should've been free too right? I mean, characters don't cost money to develop, the company just presses a button and they magically appear, it's not like they have to pay people to work on them.
SFV August and September Update Detailed (Dailies, VS CPU, Ragequitting, more)
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I guess super, AE and Ultra all should've been free too right? I mean, characters don't cost money to develop, the company just presses a button and they magically appear, it's not like they have to pay people to work on them.
1) Fixed.
2) Some people didn't get the chance to "vote with their wallets" because Capcom's pre-release info regarding this game was not outright clear. Standard modes missing was a shock to many.
3) People repeatedly post about this because they care about the series, they like the gameplay but didn't receive the content/modes they like playing (standard modes). They want the game to be better.
4) Criticize and move on doesn't work. Especially for games that are being continually updated. Only criticisms that remain in the public eye/in general discussion get addressed
5) If you want a critique free space, go to the OT. Update threads/topics are where people are looking out for updates regarding fixes/adding in modes. They are naturally going to have this topic brought up again and again until it's addressed. And same goes for sales threads when discussions are being done as to why a particular game didn't do so well.
Remember you get fm for wins and levelling up characters. The dailys wont in the 1000s, capcom's aim is to keep people playing and working towards unlocking stuff (if thats their thing) and not to have people unlock stuff in one day and put the game away
DryEyeRelief
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why are you speaking on his behalf?
To add to what farisr said, when the "casual" criticize the game, they're criticizing a company that the "hardcore" humanizes.
I know all this neoxon, I know exactly what I said
Yeah but they said rage quitting was almost a thing of the past with their first RQ hotfix. My experience was they pulled their stats (60% was it?) out of somebody's ass because they were no less infrequent for me. You still have people proudly boasting about RQing after the fix, so forgive me if I'm going to assume that any substantive change will come from their new system as opposed to them patching the leaks with bubble gum.
Apples and oranges. Super, AE and Ultra did more than just add characters, they changed frame data for everybody, tweaked moves for many (most?) characters and added stages. This is a diff game, a diff pay model where they actually lock characters away.
You get significantly less than pennies for wins. Their aim is to get people to realize that working towards unlocking stuff will only get them half of what they want, and convince them to spend real money on the rest.
Reizo Ryuu
Gold Member
You love making bulletpoints don't you? Who tf communicates like this?
Are we just going to post list after list in order to reply to each other?
You didn't "fix" anything, it doesn't matter what you "expect", this is the same dumb argument that makes people not even read the description for a season pass anymore.
There has been plenty of pre-release info that stated what the game launched with, and "sf5 review" in google would've given you thousands of options to choose from.
Also they released a GAME MODES trailer a month before release that only showed:
Not enough pre-release info my ass.
If you care about the series then I can't see how you can go into a thread/comment section and just repeat "capcom sucks and sf5 is terrible because of x feature missing" over and over again. Worse yet are the people that don't even own the game.
There is a better way of doing this and, thanks for mentioning it, people in the OT actually do this, you can tell you don't actually read the OT because we complain, we complain a lot, about a lot of things, we just don't do it in a way incessantly trashes the game or company.
Which is great because haunts actually responds to us.
You can raise concerns and issues, but keep the bitching and moaning at the door.
Uhh no, those tweaked stuff are what SF5 will be getting for free, which is the entire reason you don´t have to buy another disc/version to keep playing. Stages/Characters still cost money to develop, no matter how you slice it.
Which is why I said I hope they offer S1 characters for free or 1/2 fight money cost next year. I didn't say anything about day 1.
SatelliteOfLove
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I know all this, and I feel I'm still right on that.
I got a backlog. Capcpom could've stood a better product (quality not quantity but both would happen).
That game may be great and have legs but yeah. Even people NOT playing SF V won't touch it (or Under Night, or KI3 or...) because of SF V!
This is why we dont talk along this Teh Casul vs Teh H@rdcore artillery barrage battlelines. It tends to dominate and warp less nutty, more nuanced people into falling into those armies.
"Tis not prophecie, Serge, but historie."
I do, deal with it. It seems essential in getting the point across to some people who don't like reading paragraphs or walls of text.
Really? Versus CPU got acknowleged and is making its way in, that was not planned before at all.
Ah this trailer that people posting as a retort don't even bother to watch or pay attention to. That trailer was showcasing modes with new features. It states that that in the beginning. It doesn't even show versus mode in it. According to you and the trailer, I guess versus mode wasn't making it into the game either right? They never detailed out what Character stories were going to be like. People assumed versus was going to be in despite it not being in the trailer (because why wouldn't it be, it's standard), and the same way, people assumed Arcade mode was in (because again, it's standard). Others assumed that character stories was the arcade mode replacement because we didn't have any detailed info on what Character Stories was going to be.
Yes, because that's what everyone's doing right?
I only go to the OT when I'm actively playing the game. Quite a few of the OT regulars are the exact condescending posters I've been talking about. Why go there when all that's going to happen is a dogpile because mainly the people who are deep into this game and are generally satisfied with its current state are participating in discussion over there.
We are raising concerns and issues, but you're looking at it as bitching and moaning because those things don't matter as much or at all to you.
Reizo Ryuu
Gold Member
It's an awful way of communicating.
Jesus christ smh, you didn't fix anything about my post
Actually, versus mode is show in the CFN image, arcade mode isn't.
Also the trailer isn't just about "new" modes, training mode sure as hell isn't a new mode, neither is network battle or survival obviously.
Also this was posted with the trailer:
"take a look at all the different Game Modes you can expect at launch for Street Fighter V!"
Who's talking about everyone? I specifically talked about people who do this, don't make this about something else.
Nobody in the OT is completely satisfied or are dogpiling on people who voice their concerns in a respectful manner, but again you wouldn't know because you aren't there.
I'm glad they are adding in Arcade mode. If nothing else it will stop both sides talking about it. I'm also super keen to jump back into Ranked mode. I decided to stop until the rage quit issue was addressed.
Very happy that I will also be getting colors with my season pass + premium costumes I purchased. Overall I'm pleased with how SFV is tracking.
Very happy that I will also be getting colors with my season pass + premium costumes I purchased. Overall I'm pleased with how SFV is tracking.
riskVSreward
Member
Arcade mode at this point is probably pointless. Is anyone here actually gonna be swayed to buy the game when it hits?
I feel like it's value now is entirely to help SFV defenders win internet arguments. So no.
However, they should steal MKX's online ladder mode. That's a great singleplayer mode.
I don't think so either.
Casuals (whatever they are) prob have better things to do like Overwatch.
riskVSreward
Member
I'd consider myself casual, I play like 2-4 times a week and the lack of arcade was never a big deal. Surprising in its absence, sure, but whatever. I get that some people like it, but I'd wager no one likes arcade enough to buy the game once it's added. They passed on the game and that's it.
If this stuff was there at launch and not months later, people would've bought it because of the hype. Unfortunately for Capcom, they chose the latter.
WrenchNinja
Member
The only thing annoying here is you trying to shut down any criticism of the game because you can't handle still hearing about it.
riskVSreward
Member
Agreed. Capcom fucked up because they didn't cater to the masses. Most games get one chance nowadays, they make or break at launch. It's why I bought more stupid dlc than I would for any other game, I'll be the whale for SF.
I'd still wager a F2P model could turn things around and remain financially viable.
What if you are the options bolded ?
I KNOW that I suck in this game because I am not interested in learning the game in a "FDAC" way and therefore I am "afraid" of playing online.
And I am a paying customer who likes to play some versus fighting with other people who are in no way interested in retain in their memory for long how to do mika's super because you can read in the command list xD
FGC is elitist.
The whole "smash is not a fighting game" and how there are still people who say it seriously is the biggest proof =P
Sakurai is elitist?
Sakurai: Smash was a mistake.
haha. interested to see where this goes.
It's really not. It has decreased the number of instances where a person completely misses out on a point I made. It's very useful.
yes, use your words next time to get your meaning across, or quote appropriately.
Yes, people are totally going to zoom into one of the screens to see that written there right? And I said "new features of modes" not "new modes"
Your initial post was in response to me talking about casuals who are criticizing the game. You in reference to those casuals that I was talking about went "More like they keep bitching and moaning." So yes, you were talking about everyone who I was talking about. I'm not making this into something else, you're the one changing your tune.
I said generally satisfied, not completely. I was there during the first two OTs, I saw the dogpiles myself. I occasionally lurk, they're not happening anymore because most of the people who post in them are either really active players who are into the experience the game in its current state provides, or brand new players who just recently picked up the game needing help/tips.
That's fine too (though the way some of those posters write, not to them). was just saying acting like those points applies to everyone interested in those modes is ignorant, and the condescending tone applied to those points makes them look bad, and in turn reflects badly upon the FGC.
Reizo Ryuu
Gold Member
I guess making those bullet pointed posts so much made you forget that your first point was "Fixed", I guess without lists you get lost and can't read context.
Oh you don't have to zoom in, the trailer does it for you.
The trailer just says new features, character story isn't a new feature of a mode. And you are completely disregarding the text that came with the trailer, but ok.
Haha no, I said:
I don't believe everyone who criticises the game doesn't play it and bitches about it obviously.
Nah Akuma too popular to die in a ditch.
marvelharvey
Member
This is my exact feeling.
I've had SFV since launch and my current playtime stands at 3 hours. I can't wait to finally play some VS CPU.
Romars202129
Member
I was just covering the bases mentioning my own post. Honestly you've freaked out more about me thinking you were mentioning me than I did.
I'm honestly not trying to call you out personally.
I was trying to bring up a larger point that there is a lot more reacting to percieved elitism, than actual elitism in this community. But I guess 'too sensitive' was too caustic of a way to start that arguement.
Easy to get lost when the person who wrote it doesn't provide context.
Did the trailer specifically show off versus mode? Nope. Did Capcom detail Character Story mode, the structure, the number of fights etc? Nope. Hence, not enough information. Not a debate here. Go back to the launch threads and read over the discussions about this, it's been done to death, as I've said before. General agreement is capcom could've and should''ve been more clear.
No, you said this:
In response to my post saying this:
I'm talking about people criticizing the game, and you are talking about the same group saying they are bitching and moaning. It's all right there. It isn't a group that you specifically referred to yourself, nor was your post indicating it was a subset, your response was about the group of people I was mentioning which you lumped into the "bitching and moaning" category.
Reizo Ryuu
Gold Member
Oh the context was there, every point I made was in the order of your bulletpoints, but as said, you get lost if the reply isn't bulletpointed in return.
The trailer showed versus was in the game, for everything else you could've read a review, that's what they are for.
Hmm no it's pretty clear what I said, and it's not a single sentence, but it seems you like taking a post sentence by sentence (like a list lol).
Sorry to say, but my post doesn't work like that, all of it is a single point, no single sentence in it goes without any of the other.
Doubt it, but I'd take any mode that gives FM right now.
Those are the kind of reveals that'll likely be saved for the Capcom Cup.
Yeah, surely I get lost if a post is not bulletpointed as evidenced by not catching what you were referring to one time. Brilliant deduction Sherlock.
Did the trailer showcase versus as a mode or not? No it didn't. Capcom is not responsible for reviews, a lot of the early reviews didn't mention the structure of the character story mode. and again, did Capcom detail the structure of the character story mode themselves? No they didn't.
Your entire post doesn't change anything. Your post was in response to a single line that I wrote which was talking about casuals criticizing the game, you did not indicate that you were only talking about a subset of people or a different set of people, your post is worded exactly how I interpreted it. That the casuals I'm talkiing about who are criticizing the game are bitching and moaning.Clear cut. And with that, I'm done with this, wasted enough time already.
Never thought of it that way. BRING ON ARCADE MODE.
Yeah, bring on Arcade Mode if it means more ways to earn Fight Money.
Reizo Ryuu
Gold Member
Yep. Clear cut.
I guess versus didn't have any new features ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°).
Dunno what early reviews you were reading, because all I read mentioned it, even IGN:
¯\_(ツ
_/¯Bye
Salty Rice
Member
Play Survival Mode and look at the artwork of the stories afterward.
Makes no difference.
He already got nerfed.