Konami announces Metal Gear Survive (PS4/XB1/PC, $30, 2017)
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Led_Zeppelin
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While I wouldn't call the devs lazy, I would say that Konami are being lazy. This reeks of Umbrella corps all over it. A cash grab made to make a quick buck out of fans. Not that it means that the game would be bad, the devs could actually turn this turd around and actually release something good but I don't see how that is even possible, usually this type of projects ended up being garbage from all points of view and only made to suck fans out of their money thanks to name recognition.
Way to misinterpret my post.
Konami is run by publishers. In what would would the money grubbing company that pushed devs into janitor roles be a developer-run business? The 'lazy' aspect comes from the publisher being wholly unwilling to invest the time and resources into making a quality project.
Seriously, how in the hell would you interpret that post about Konami as one targeting the developers and not the suits?
graywolf323
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this honestly sounds like a bad fanfic
Let us not forget that Metal Gear franchise has had successful spinoffs before. AC!D games were great, and Revengeance was fucking amazing.
pretty done
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I hate what Kojima turned this series into. Fuck Fulton and the dumb base management shit.
Well... didn't expect to wake up to that this morning.
Not much interest in it outside of morbid curiosity.
And to me it does feel like a different weird than what Kojima would have done. But it's just the first trailer. First Phantom Pain trailer made 0 sense out of context too (especially before we knew it was MGS V).
Not much interest in it outside of morbid curiosity.
And to me it does feel like a different weird than what Kojima would have done. But it's just the first trailer. First Phantom Pain trailer made 0 sense out of context too (especially before we knew it was MGS V).
Screaming Meat
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The breaking of the fourth wall is something that happens consistently through MGS1, as well as the series. It's constantly reminding players of its 'gameness'. Mantis is one really memorable example of it.
MGR is a cheeky love letter to the mainline series. It parodies many of its tropes. That is one example of it.
A big through theme of MGSV is those who had a big effect but are forgotten in the series at various points: Volgin, Eli, Skullface,
The Medic, The Player
Arguably, the only loose thinking on my part, which I addressed, is whether the crystal space zombies tie into a loftier theme in a similar manner.
mrmickfran
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Funny, I just had a dream that I was playing a new Metal Gear.
Though, it was a sequel to Rising :/
Though, it was a sequel to Rising :/
DeathSparks
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Gilvasunner just uploaded this, it's perfect
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDTJA1rE90U&feature=youtu.be&a
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDTJA1rE90U&feature=youtu.be&a
BlondeTuna
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I can't help but feel sad about this
gutterboy44
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Maybe..maybe this would have been interesting 6 years ago? Even then, absolutely doesn't need MGS branding.
Screaming Meat
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Imma use this.Not disagreeing
Kojima was rarely subtle but he had a (weird) logic to it all....and, even in that context, I still think Crystal Space Zombies from Dimension Cash Grab are pretty far out.
Why even call this Metal Gear when it's clear it has nothing to do with Metal Gear?
I mean, it's obvious this game was originally a different IP, but they just slapped the Metal Gear name at the very last minute.
Metal Gear is dead. And this is coming from one of the biggest fans here in GAF.
I mean, it's obvious this game was originally a different IP, but they just slapped the Metal Gear name at the very last minute.
Metal Gear is dead. And this is coming from one of the biggest fans here in GAF.
I agree. Ground Zeroes was an incredibly tense experience that actually felt like a rescue operation.
Fulton balloons eliminated that element from MGSV completely, and the staff acquisition aspect devolved the experience into a 1000x-too-long Pokémon grind... And then there's the awful research grinds.
I feel like every part of the base management system took everything fun away from the game and left it a barren world with gameplay mechanics and AI that were too good for the game they were in.
ScientificPizza
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Konami are both a developer and publisher. when saying "Konami is lazy!" it's not completely crazy to assume you're talking about the people making the game and not the suits behind it
I would argue however that calling anyone lazy is just disrespectful and unwarranted without knowing the decisions and planning behind the project. I suspect that in a company as large as Konami even decisions you might regard as lazy are a lot more complicated and involved than you would imagine. But this is the internet and I forgot we're all unified in out anger because they took our Kojima away sorry sorry sorry I didn't mean to detract from the narrative let's all resume this hateful circle jerk
Professor Renegade
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"We hope we can win back fans"
>makes a generic zombie game
What this game should be is this: same concept of following the surviving members of MSF after Ground Zeroes. Instead of fighting zombies though they're on the run from XOF in a series of stealth missions. Through the course of the game they learn that Big Boss is still alive, and the last area of the game is a sneaking mission into the hospital where the team is ultimately killed as they get caught up in XOF's ambush.
>makes a generic zombie game
What this game should be is this: same concept of following the surviving members of MSF after Ground Zeroes. Instead of fighting zombies though they're on the run from XOF in a series of stealth missions. Through the course of the game they learn that Big Boss is still alive, and the last area of the game is a sneaking mission into the hospital where the team is ultimately killed as they get caught up in XOF's ambush.
Its like the focus tested "What does the average M-rated gamer want from a game?" and wound up with survival elements, multiplayer, and zombies. Then slapped Metal Gear on it because its the only brand they have left worth anything to the average gamer.
Like what is even Metal Gear about it? The stealth?
Like what is even Metal Gear about it? The stealth?
To sell it.
Glendemonium
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So... it's Battlefield set in the MGS universe? Or am I seeing this wrong?
On the plus side Sterling has something for his next video.
On the plus side Sterling has something for his next video.
Have you played the Battlefield series? This is nothing like it at all.
Isn't that the case for any of the spinoffs they've done? I mean, if you took out the main character looking like Solid Snake from Acid, what exactly ties that game specifically to Metal Gear? I'd extend that out to Rising, too, especially when they jettisoned the original plot for something original.
Melkezadek
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Konami is a company that forced its developers to become janitors. Nothing about that name, at least in its current state, should trigger the any kind of recognition or assumption that it's not just a company of suits that shit all over their employees. They are garbage for what they've done to their employees.
Now, they release a clearly unassociated survival game and slap a known IP's branding all over it for recognition-sake, which is a cut and dry lazy publishing tactic, and you still infer that I'm talking about the developers when I criticize them?
No one is taking about the developers when they speak derogatorily about this game and its LAZY, focus grouped, coat tail riding, publishing strategy. When people say fuck Konami, it's aimed directly at the executives and publishing portion of the company.
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Revolutionary
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My initial reaction to the crystalline zombies/wormhole thing was WTF
But then I remembered there was some weird zombie thing already going on with the MSF survivors in V so... I'm going to keep my eye on this and see how it progresses.
More MGSV gameplay is a good thing, after all.
But then I remembered there was some weird zombie thing already going on with the MSF survivors in V so... I'm going to keep my eye on this and see how it progresses.
More MGSV gameplay is a good thing, after all.
Not disagreeing
Yeah, a lot of people seem to miss it. And it's not like it's all that deep or smug or anything.
A lot of it was commentary too on the past or possible futures.
This just seems like a tacky, focus group tested output.
Nothing wrong with this too. If it means they can start seeing value in making games again.
But to say it's not any different than what Kojima would have done? I don't think so
Stormhammer
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series has supernatural shit in it but wormholes and zombies are too much? lol
MiamiWesker
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I was already starting to freak out about RE7 and now this?!?! Wtf is this?!?!! Why why why. Why is this happening? Is Zelda going to become a walking simulator next?
RPGCrazied
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Lol, no.
Single player campaign or not interested.
Single player campaign or not interested.
Led_Zeppelin
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Again you are being naive or just a contrarian to the obvious. And this is simply proven, why is this game called Metal Gear? From this trailer we see no reason why this game couldn't be its own IP. If Konami wanted to develop a co-op shooting game with the Fox Engine, they had all the means to do so, they still have devs to work on it. Then the question rises why it is called Metal Gear? Saying that for executives isn't lazy to just stamp the Metal Gear name (the only IP Konami has that is relevant currently not counting PES though anyone that plays football games will tell you that PES hasn't been relevant since the PS2 era) on a project that could have easily be a new IP. And then the answer is self evident, money. They want the name recognition the brand Metal Gear gives, they want that easy money and this is something several other companies have been doing (specially Capcom with Resident Evil). It is lazy as hell but I guess burning the little good will people had for Konami and the Metal Gear brand is worth less for Konami than the money they would make for selling this game, I just hope the people that actually buy this don't ended up with another Umbrella Corps.
You seem to have it out for him on a personal level, if you have to boil down the Konami backlash to that alone. I suppose it has nothing to do with years of disappointing fans on dozens of other franchises and abusing their employees.
Raiden1018
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...weren't they trying to get AWAY from the co sole space? Wasn't that the reason they fired Kojima in the first place?
And now this bullshit? Soon metal gear will be the new Crash and Conker.
And now this bullshit? Soon metal gear will be the new Crash and Conker.
Don't trust this guy, he's a Konami shill.
I'm being cynical.
Sweeney Tom
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#FucKonami
Damn, and I bought into it.
Whompa02
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Grounds Series
You'll be able to in about a week after it releases and there's nobody else playing.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought this XD!
Honestly I am okay with Konami making more Metal Gear games but I thought they would have made a single player game first.....but they are just taking the MP mode from MGSV and expanding that into a full game.
Not really a huge fan of MP gaming personally, so have little interest in this title, but I'm honestly surprised they are making a Metal Gear game right off the heels of a horrid PR year for them (2015) where everyone grew to loath them.
Hope they either make it up to fans some other way (MGS Snake Eater remake?) or outright apologize or something regarding past actions. Regardless, will keep an eye on this and hope for the best.
It's a metaphor for their fanbase.
From Platinum Games, or not at all.
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