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This isn't even true. Tryharder.
Trump to introduce immigration plan. Campaign denies path to citizenship
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This isn't even true. Tryharder.
No way..... come on
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Seriously though, this would be some Clayton Bigsby shit if he pops this on his crowds live.
Pretty sure he butted heads on deporting people already here with Kasich on the debate stage more than once. I believe his words were "we have to enforce the law, folks"
Yeah.... I can see that.
If this is all it took to make you start considering him a rational individual after all he has said (and how he has said it) then you might want to look into the processes by which you reason.
DontBeThatGuy
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He absolutely did say he would deport all undocumented immigrants, essentially endorsing Operation Wetback as some humane example of accomplishing it.
SodiumBenzoate
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He always did
benjipwns
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Night Angel
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Yes, a sarcastic comment is a 10/10 on the edgy scale while begging a mod to ban someone for disagreeing is... what, a 20?
He's not banned. He hasn't even followed up yet.
Gordon Shumway
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Welp, I'm convinced..😕
Plus he straight up used the word 'amnesty' as a weapon against Rubio in the debates, stump speeches and tv interviews.
benjipwns
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Night Angel
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I was just waiting for Trump to say something sane. Now I'm confident he's a better choice than that dishonest cackling uncharismatic shill of an establishment candidate. A senator/secretary of state and lifelong advocate for women's, children's, and disabled people's rights who says mostly sane things? Heh. Sorry. I mean, have you heard her laugh?
Bam Bam Baklava
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First of all, he clearly said it and used amnesty as a derogatory term in the primaries. Secondly, he spent 400 days saying one thing and now he's saying another and his opponent is the liar?
This is the problem with Trump's support being based purely on personality, they are so far up his ass on a personal level that he could flip flop every position he had and literally become Obama 2.0 and they'd still follow him around.
diablos991
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Glad to see Trump considering amnesty. We need a very stern approach to new immigration but we don't need to punish those who are here legally and provide a clear path and timeframe for those here illegally.
Bam Bam Baklava
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DontBeThatGuy
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I'm gonna need you to explain to everyone how Trump himself isn't a chronic liar, is somehow consistent, and hasn't been fact-checked to death as the most full of shit candidate ever? I'm also gonna need you defend his incredibly shady business practices, bigotry, and overall general knowledge about anything worthy enough to become president. He's also looked at as a complete joke the world over, so you can try and spin that as well if you like.
I don't think I've ever seen a Trump supporter do this on here. Take your time.
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Next up, reparations.
The alt-right implosion would be a sight to behold.
More interested to see the moments just before the implosion where they try to rationalize it.
Melkezadek
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Now that's done alienating everyone else, it's time to piss off his own base.
Sabotage complete. Genius really.
Sabotage complete. Genius really.
paragonpro
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These are all salient points, again im still undecided as I dont really like either canidate much and im fiscally conservative and socially liberal. And also im sorry if my prior post upset anyone, I know it read like im a gullible moron (maybe I am?) but trust me, much much more research is going to go into my voting decision.
Night Angel
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Honestly, I can't imagine that someone could have planned a disaster this grand unintentionally.
Trump is neither of those things.
Lord Frieza
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Trump is a persuasive genius? Well, I guess if uou believe he's trying to be a great unifier you'll believe anything
Dubbedinenglish
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He's trying to get to 20% of the hispanic vote!
How can Trump possibly appeal to a fiscal conservative?
All of his plans involve a massive increase in spending, and protectionism that will impose tariffs and increase prices in the US.
Decreasing taxes while increasing expenses is NOT fiscally conservative. Trump offers you nothing.
This is factually false.
diablos991
Can’t stump the diablos
Isn't his base largely independents?
This is fantastic for independents that hate seeing party line policies.
El-Guap-Cakes
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Oh my goodness... I don't even know how to feel. I figured all of his outrageous comments were just to garnish attention. ugggh.
So many emotions going through me right now.
Like, is any of this for real, or not?
So many emotions going through me right now.
Like, is any of this for real, or not?
water_wendi
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This is a test. They said they would return to populism. Hes offering something thats popular with people who arent voting for him. There is a chance his base wont abandon him because they are infatuated with the personality and not policies. If his base leaves, its no big deal.. hes flailing and doing something is better than nothing. If his base doesnt leave they will probably get the wink wink, nudge nudge that just because Trump says something doesnt mean he has to do it. He said he'd offer amnesty but does President Trump need to go through with it? No.
If his poll numbers go up after this he will start promising more.
If his poll numbers go up after this he will start promising more.
SolidChamp
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I think I'd be surprised if you were actually dense enough to believe everything you've just said.
Like, fucking really?
His base is mostly 75% of the republican party. And independents range from highly conservative to highly liberal voters, the label means nothing by itself.
benjipwns
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Not to refute anything but we should always remember this:
Just stop.
PolitiFact, the opinion site that named the same statement both True for four years and then later, when the statement actually could be fact-checked instead of just confirmed by someone's promise five years earlier, Lie of the Year.
DontBeThatGuy
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Is 'Independents' code for a bunch of xenophobic racists now?
diablos991
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Every independent I know is in the anybody but Hillary camp. Many of them are leaning towards Trump if a third party can't get to the debate stage.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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Well, I would suggest he figures that the white racists are already with him and think he's one of them, so he's going to now try and win moderates with Trojan Horse legislation. I guess? I dunno.
benjipwns
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Boy, do I have some fellers for you!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQv_6GXVbDw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPD8kPiOygA
I'm an independent, too. And all the independents I know are firmly in the anybody but Trump camp. See how anecdotes work?
Melkezadek
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Seems to be the case. Republicans who don't want all the baggage with the label. At least in my experiences.
Lord Frieza
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It's easy to imagine when you finally realize that Trump was never some incredible manipulative genius who smartly navigated himself to where he his, and he is, in fact, a completely clueless man who got where he is because of various factors that had nothing to do with hin specifically.
Dubbedinenglish
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I mean you have this guy who had someone who organized violent protests against US troops as his campaign manager, someone who attacked the family of a fallen soldier, someone who mocked a disabled reporter, someone who advocated violence against protestors at his rally, someone who called for his political opponent to be assassinated, who asked repeatedly "if we have nukes why don't we use them."
Naw though you need to "research" to decide your candidate.
sturgboski
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That is sad. Why is that? Is it because Bernie didnt win which tends to be the overwhelming comment from those who are now disenfranchised on the liberal side. I mean, sure, they cant see the forest for the trees and would rather sabotage everything that liberals have been working for for years because "anyone but Hillary" but I am sure that is a mature and rational response.
Same.
paragonpro
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Ive been paying some attention to gary johnson, the guy is literally right up my alley, but sadly its a lost cause. Maybe ill vote for him just to vote for someone I like, even if it is a lost cause. But depending on how bad things get with either clinton or trump, it may not be wise to waste a vote.
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