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Titanfall is a 9.5, Titanfall 2 is shaping up to be an 8.
Not a bad sequel, just frustratingly good.
Not a bad sequel, just frustratingly good.
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TITANFALL 2 is depressingly disappointing....
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Vigilant Walrus
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Why is there no 32 vs 32 multiplayer?
Because that's not what Titanfall is all about. IF I am not mistaken Pilot v Pilot was the least popular mode during the Tech Test.
Diablohead
Member
not sure how the game would play with that many on the field, but in titanfall 1 you could sometimes have 6 pilots and their mechs doing their thing, which is kind of 12 v 12 but not quite.
i haven't played either game so don't take this as informed criticism.
i wonder how much of the blowback is coming from people who dearly loved the first game and will countenance no major changes. i get that people liked it a lot but it also seems clear that tf1 underperformed in terms of EA's and respawn's expecations (a lot of which was probably because of the activision suit taking up so much time and money) so it makes sense that they'd be making some changes to try and bring more people in. how do people who never played the first game feel about the demo?
again, i have no horse in this race so this is just academic on my part.
i wonder how much of the blowback is coming from people who dearly loved the first game and will countenance no major changes. i get that people liked it a lot but it also seems clear that tf1 underperformed in terms of EA's and respawn's expecations (a lot of which was probably because of the activision suit taking up so much time and money) so it makes sense that they'd be making some changes to try and bring more people in. how do people who never played the first game feel about the demo?
again, i have no horse in this race so this is just academic on my part.
VincentMatts
Member
In no universe is titanfall a 9.5.
The game sold 7 million and MS paid for a good chunk of its development
There's no way it underperformed EA or Respawn's expectations with numbers like that especially considering the exclusivity and new IP status.
Thewonandonly
Junior Member
Whoops that's what I meant I just worded it weird. I know Titans were easy to kill in titanfall one but it titanfall 2 it feels like you have almost have no shot now unless your far away spamming the charge rifle. Theirs no running from roof to roof blasting the Titan with the sidewinder while it tries to get you.
Broadbandito
Member
Was gonna post this exact thought
RandomExpletive
Member
Man, if they had decided to remove AI grunts and make the maps larger to accommodate 16v16 or even 32v32, THAT would be an interesting approach to a sequel...
But THIS... THIS is not what we were looking for
I've heard favourable opinions about Titanfall 2 from people who didn't play the first, but that's to be expected. The consensus isn't that Titanfall 2 is a garbage bin game, just that it's a step (or multiple) backwards from Titanfall 1.
And the same players criticizing Titanfall 2 have praised some of the changes, like the grappling hook and the slide. But there are many other changes that don't seem to improve the Titanfall experience, but worsen it.
TimeEffect
Member
You know, outside of what is fixable by patches (speed, grunts, modes, titan shields, timer), the maps are the one thing that cant be changed
And I cant help but think that adding a campaign made it so that the Single player shaped the Multiplayer maps
it also was quickly discounted and did not live long on PC. i'm pretty sure they expected it to do better even if it turned a profit.
They've stated that Forward Base Kodai, the upcoming Technical Test map, was based on a single-player level. It remains to be seen if they share only an aesthetical similarity, or a structural one.
But if you told me Homestead was a single-player Titan vs. Titan level, I'd believe that.
It's moderate success seemed to come from EA betting on the wrong horse, with the Xbox One. It was the best selling title on the Xbox One shortly after its release, and that's nothing to scoff at. But the Xbox One's performance hampered the performance of the game.
The good news is that even if they do tweak the map layouts, they now have specific feedback of what exactly needs to be done. I don't think they have time to do too much of that with the current release date though.
It's weird from a multi only game this now looks like a single player game with MP tacked on.
Personally I felt they just needed to change two things from my time with the first;
- Completely change the non Titan weapons as they were fucking TRASH.
- The AI was always and forever would be bad so instead of making them play fake players - make them a bunch of weaklings (droids even) with anti Titan weapons who are poor vs players. Forces players to protect Titans and allows teams to build a force around Titans by protecting them. In TF1 they were just there to be shot and mechanically were dull.
Now TF2 seems to be a characterless game and I am not seeing any real showing of the weapons which makes me think it will continue to be poor.
Personally I felt they just needed to change two things from my time with the first;
- Completely change the non Titan weapons as they were fucking TRASH.
- The AI was always and forever would be bad so instead of making them play fake players - make them a bunch of weaklings (droids even) with anti Titan weapons who are poor vs players. Forces players to protect Titans and allows teams to build a force around Titans by protecting them. In TF1 they were just there to be shot and mechanically were dull.
Now TF2 seems to be a characterless game and I am not seeing any real showing of the weapons which makes me think it will continue to be poor.
Don't think it sold 7 million - the intentionally chosen "seven million played" is way too coy. If they actually did hit those sales numbers, they'd be shouting it from rooftops, not downplaying the feat or hiding it behind word choice.
I agree they expected far better player longevity but sales nah, not with numbers like that. But better longevity was easy, more content which is all everyone wanted from the game. Not these changes.
That was 10million played. EA said 7 million sales in an investor meeting.
curiouscharles
Member
yeah, EU LTS matches are some of my fondest memories [& current favorite TF activities!].
even with a 125-200 ping range, never had any problems having fun playing on those servers.
Didn't they say it was 10 million played? 7 million sales out of that sounds reasonable.
Wow, then that's pretty incredible, I must have misremembered.
Crooked16th
Banned
Each match in the first game felt like a set piece there was just so much going on it was amazing, In this game nothing goes on it just feels empty. Also where the hell is the standby for Titanfall sound bite when you get a titan?
They expect TF2 to sell around 9 to 10 million. Titanfall sold 7 million units.
Source: Transcript of the EA Q1 2017 earnings call here: - http://files.shareholder.com/downlo...3C36B8C6E0/EA-Transcript-2016-08-02T21_00.pdf
One of my favorite things about Titanfall is how your operators would chime in in a little window in the upper-right corner and give you constant status updates, even outside of Campaign Multiplayer.
That's just gone in this one and it feels a whole hell of a lot lonelier for it.
TimeEffect
Member
How can they edit maps? Can they add a bunch of random assets like a bunch of walls or something?
I worry that everything is going to be reliant on the free map DLC, and god knows how many maps we're going to get and how long it will take.
I reckon a lot of that came from Titanfall 1 trying to compensate for its lack of a real campaign. Now that they don't have to Titanfall 2's multiplayer presentation is very typical of the genre. It's a shame - Titanfall 1 really had an energy to it.
MarineMountie
Member
Battlefield 1 is my only shooter this fall. I was sure I would get TF2 after loving TF1, but all the changes made the game extremely disappointing and a skip for sure.
NullPointer
Member
Makes some sense. Too bad it amounts to throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
razgriz417
Member
Heh that was my feeling going into the tech test. Oddly enough, all my friends are super hyped about BF1, no idea why but I guess I'll wait until the beta to make up my mind about it.
Bornstellar
Member
I've taken footage on both showing velocity, but I'm not sure what units Tf1 shows velocity in.
Diablohead
Member
The orange segment can be a real big chunk of the timer, if you die after getting a few kills you are going to lose half of that timer. It's a nice idea on paper but the penalty is huge in a game where you die within moments of being spotted by the enemy.
outside of maybe a few value tweaks and a bad issue or two being resolved, how often does a beta only months away from launch get huge adjustments? little to none, sadly.
Could they enable rechariging shields for titans? maybe
Increase wall run speed? probably
Fix map issues and open up weapon loadout changes for titans and classes? doubtful.
Gravy Boat
Member
Especially since it was so heavily discounted a few months after release that they were practically giving it away. Not surprising it sold so many copies, but how many of those were sold at crazy low price?
Gravy Boat
Member
It's not a killstreak, not sure why people are using that word. It's a meter that builds up as you get kills and do other things. It doesn't totally reset when you die, but you lose some of the meter. Not a lot though. Like I never even noticed it dropping until I read it in this thread.
constantstatic
Member
If you actually go read the thread it is not no. I guess if you stand around it may go down a little but I didn't noticed that in the 20 hrs I played so it doesn't seem significant at all.
Agree
Earning a titan is not that hard, you can get it 2-3 times in a match without any pro skills
The new rodeo system is deeper then TF1's too, you can heal your team's titans by stealing the enemy batteries while waiting for your titan + destroying a titan by a pilot requires 3 rodeos not one like TF1 which is reasonable imo
I enjoyed the beta a lot.
I agree that losing so much of your meter is problematic but this is something that can be fixed. Respawn can easily adjust the penalty for death. Personally, I like the idea of rewarding players for taking risk. FWIW, I had no trouble getting a Titan in Bounty Hunt. Often times I would have one ready by the time phase 2 was about to start. Just by simply killing grunts and picking off a few pilots rushing in kill grunts. That said, I had a few Hardpoint matches end before I got one and on Friday even had a match where no one on the team got one before we won the match.
I played the tech demo, 2 games were all I could take. This is from someone who bought (and sold) an Xbox One just so I could play TF1.
I knew it was gonna be bad when we got dropped into the map in typical TF fashion, and literally, 75% of my team could not make the first jump into the building straight in front of us. Something doesn't feel right. For a game that prides itself on freedom of movement, I feel so claustrophobic.
I just wasn't fun. Then finally a titan drop, "here we go!" I thought. Nope. It was nearly impossible to shoot a pilot on the ground, titan battles were a fucking snooze fest. Grunts and Spectres running around doing nothing? Its a hot mess.
I have no doubt this game will settle into a solid 80/100 metacritic score, but I expected more from the original Infinity Ward folks, I really did.
I knew it was gonna be bad when we got dropped into the map in typical TF fashion, and literally, 75% of my team could not make the first jump into the building straight in front of us. Something doesn't feel right. For a game that prides itself on freedom of movement, I feel so claustrophobic.
I just wasn't fun. Then finally a titan drop, "here we go!" I thought. Nope. It was nearly impossible to shoot a pilot on the ground, titan battles were a fucking snooze fest. Grunts and Spectres running around doing nothing? Its a hot mess.
I have no doubt this game will settle into a solid 80/100 metacritic score, but I expected more from the original Infinity Ward folks, I really did.
CaptainofIndustry
Member
I really hope this game does well. I really just want to focus on one online shooter this fall, and I can't decide between this and Battlefield 1. I'll probably wind up getting both. I never played Titanfall 1 and really enjoyed the tech demo. I really hope Respawn will take some of the suggestions and implement them into the final game.
This is why earning a titan is slow and annoying in titanfall 2, look at that orange part of the counter slowly degrade over time, forcing you to keep the kills coming otherwise you lose a lot of score.
Never noticed this and further proves my point that they completely trashed the philosophies behind the first game.
TITANS SHOULDN'T BE A REWARD FOR GOOD PLAYERS
Everyone is entitled to a Titan. How could Respawn ever make a decision like that? It completely shits on everything TF1 stood for. There should never be a match where a player didn't get their Titan.
Personally, I don't have problems getting kills, but many players aren't as good.
RichiRamjag
Member
There were more issues in regards to lack of single player, content, and going exclusive rather than multi-platform. When you look at most criticism one the original, it was rarely in regards to the gameplay being bad.
As a big fan of Titanfall 1 I found the first PRE-ALPHA TECH TEST to be extremely fun and satisfying. I can tell there have been some tweaks but I think the movement is smooth, the two maps shown were good (The open field being my favorite of the two), gun mechanics felt great.
My biggest gripe with the first tech test was matches would start off uneven a lot with one team down 2-3 players and never fill the open slots. This happened way more than what I would deem acceptable, but I'm keeping in mind this was a tech test.
Totally appreciate people expressing their opinions, but I am really scratching my head as to why the Tech Test is getting an extremely mixed reception.
My biggest gripe with the first tech test was matches would start off uneven a lot with one team down 2-3 players and never fill the open slots. This happened way more than what I would deem acceptable, but I'm keeping in mind this was a tech test.
Totally appreciate people expressing their opinions, but I am really scratching my head as to why the Tech Test is getting an extremely mixed reception.
shawnoftheshred
Member
As someone who avoids multiplayer first-person shooters like the plague, I picked up Titanfall 1 because it was on sale and was the first real Xbox One showcase. I was amazed at how into the game I got. There was some magical balance of everything being fun, even if my K/D ratio was low, that hooked me. Was super into Titanfall 2, what with the campaign addition and all, but...played one match of the tech test and it just didn't seem fun or make me want to play more to find the fun. Here's hoping the final game just...feels different?
Jawmuncher
Member
Yep, don't recall many complaints on the gameplay itself. There's a reason we were dealing with "HAVE YOU SEEN TITANFALL".
Bear Force One
Banned
Sad to say but as much as I was looking forward TF2 is going to be a non-starter for me. It's all disappointment.