Can it be dealt damage and destroyed without being crewed?
Magic: the Gathering |OT9| Kaladesh - Cruisin' Down the Street in my 6/4
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Can it be dealt damage and destroyed without being crewed?
SigmasonicX
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Energy gives me a real board game feel. I wonder if they will be represented by token cards, or if they will have game pieces. Will there be "5 energy" cards/pieces?
The Technomancer
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I can't see how, damage universally specifies "creature or player". Nothing says "3 damage to target permanent"
With the rules currently, it couldn't, since the state based action that kills stuff based on damage only applies to creatures. But they could certainly change that rule. Of course then they'd also need to print something that does damage to permanents.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
You also don't have to get energy from Aetherwork Marvel. The card is really good.
The Technomancer
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Energy is interesting. The closest comparison I can think of is Eldrazi spawn. Eldrazi spawn are one of the best mechanics they've ever done for just how versatile they are; you can block with them, sacrifice them for mana, or sacrifice them for other effects, and so you make a ton of decisions around "what do I need more right now"
Right off the bat Energy seems more limited. You get the counters. You spend them on things. I really really want to see what cards there are
Right off the bat Energy seems more limited. You get the counters. You spend them on things. I really really want to see what cards there are
Yesssssss
It'll be just like Experience Counters or Infect. There'll be a token card and you'll put dice on top of it.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
There's a lie-in on the shedjule!
SigmasonicX
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Unlimited Power - 3R
Sorcery
Take any number of energy counters and fling them right in target opponent's face. You deal that much damage to him or her.
Sorcery
Take any number of energy counters and fling them right in target opponent's face. You deal that much damage to him or her.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I assume for limited purposes there are cards that spend energy that don't actually make any, and vice-versa.
charlequin
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What's clearly going on here is instead of a bunch of completely different mechanics, we have a few that all interact together and feed the same themes. Good for an artifact block, and similar to some of the best blocks of the past (Innistrad is very much in this mode, for example.)
Energy is an engine mechanic which by being hemmed in to energy cards in Kaladesh can be way more open-ended and flexible. There's gonna be a bunch of smaller cards that generate and use it and you'll "invent" by stringing them together in weird ways.
That's what I figured. I see a lot of salty/misinformed casual players arguing about this in the future. Heh.
Trying to figure out a sac loop to infinite combo this thing with Dross Scorpion. Misremembered Myr Retriever for a moment and thought it might work.
A Serious Man
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Should get several more cards over the next two hours in the world building and mechanic panels.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
How does AM's energy mechanic work? If you sac an Eldrazi does it count? I think it *should* despite the wording - tokens go to the graveyard, they're just removed from the game as a state-based action.
SigmasonicX
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World building panel in 10 minutes, BTW.
I'll update the OP after the panels today.
I'll update the OP after the panels today.
The Technomancer
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Is their (and the audience's) affinity for faction mechanics actually biting them in the ass designwise? Maybe this is part of the problem, making mechanics that both inform different faction "vibes" and also have synergy seems like it would be a lot harder than making mechanics like these that all work together and then working out what the different play strategies within that framework are going to be.
BFZ had tons of other flaws to be sure, but in Limited I'd certainly say one of them was that the Eldrazi and the Ally sides didn't play together at all, so you got shafted by whoever managed to scoop up more of theirs first
It doesn't. See: Kalitas.
This and the "MUST DO TEN PAIRS EVERY SET" thing would suggest yes.
Yeah, saccing Eldrazi or Clues totally works. Unless Rest in Peace is in play.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I don't get what you're saying - that isn't an explanation of what you think happens, nor is it even clear what you're trying to say. Kalitas doesn't seem to have any kind of relationship to this.
The rules state that a creature “dies” if it is put into a graveyard from the battlefield. Tokens do in fact die for purposes of cards like Zulaport Cutthroat.
Oh, I didn't know that because I haven't gotten to actually play with him yet lol. Stupid being sick.Kalitas specifies nontoken creature though.
charlequin
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You want the red creatures in an artifact set to be dedicated to hulk-smash destroying those artifacts and yet WotC are the ones who hate red.
In chat multiple people I was talking to were all like "this is a Dominion mechanic!!" at the exact same time. If you've played a lot of Dominion the strategic value of temporary vs. persistent resources becomes really obvious.
omg yes
Then you get energy counters. Why ask the question if you know the answer?
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Because I don't know all of the rules interactions and I know the rules very well, but there are lots of interactions I don't actually understand as well as I think I do.
I mean, given you thought it didn't work that way, it seems like its a valid question. "Put in the graveyard" written out on the card is a little-less obvious because on its face, it might mean that it's actually placed there.
So it doesn't have anything to do with inventing, okay.
He had a doubt. Why be an ass about it?
SigmasonicX
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This popped up on my twitter feed:
Not in continuity!
Only Gideon can drive.
(And Sarkhan)
I'm curious about the color-pie factor of energy. Red and Green are typically the ramp colors, but it's not really ramp. I can't imagine it'll only be on artifacts. I wouldn't be surprised if it shows up in every color as a rider to some simple cards. Something along these lines:
Giant Growth + G
Instant
Target creature gets +2/+2 until end of turn. You get {z}.
Giant Growth + G
Instant
Target creature gets +2/+2 until end of turn. You get {z}.
The Technomancer
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Aetherpunk
SigmasonicX
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World building panel start.
I assumed something had changed because of Kalitas, not having really read the card closely ever. It's just jarring to have the person asking the question spell out the rules interaction in their next post.
charlequin
Banned
I think that's part of it. The factions aren't universally bad -- Ravnica and Khans are two of the best large sets ever, IMO -- but it takes a lot of work to overlap them and it mostly works if you have some primary underlying theme that they're just supporting.
I do think it's possible that binary faction splits are just not good. Both attempts to do that have had major issues with mechanics fitting together.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I've been convinced a card interaction works one way when it doesn't dozens of times.
charlequin
Banned
did you know that when you are playing magic you are not actually casting spells
you are actually just taking pieces of cardboard and manipulating them in various ways using your hands
SigmasonicX
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Considering there are only three mechanics in the set, it's likely that energy will see far more major support than the Eldrazi Processors did.
Energy uses counters, not tokens. It will work with proliferate, though.
Energy uses counters, not tokens. It will work with proliferate, though.
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