What you gain is a much bigger and diverse quality library than any other Nintendo device could have offered in this day and age.
Report: NX Handheld Dimensions, Layout Info, Lack of Region Lock
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What you gain is a much bigger and diverse quality library than any other Nintendo device could have offered in this day and age.
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Saint Titanfall
I'm still thinking the break of controllers will essentially be wii controllers considering the rumour/report before that the NX would use wii style motion contols. Seems like the only way to have to efffective controllers come with a system that uses duel analogue, there's no way nintendo seriously expects people to control their games with 4 face buttons a stick and maybe a shoulder button.. Makes absolutely no sense not even the orginal 3ds's control scheme was that rudimentary.
This is what i expect nintendo would do and people would desire, i just can't understand those who want two controller halves that are exactly the same.Ahaa! I'm totally with you on the ergonomics point. Here is something I did just now:
Thanks for this!
JoshuaJSlone
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Ahh, I thought you were more against the split controller concept in general rather than the specifics. Even for Clessidor's mockups I think the main thing making it seem weirder than a Wii Remote is just that the analogs aren't centered. Otherwise it's basically a wiimote with the analog replacing the - + Home section, and SNES buttons at the bottom instead of NES buttons.
Ehh, that's similarly rudimentary as remote-only controls on Wii/WiiU games, except with less oddly balanced buttons. A d-pad with one big action button next to it, two main action buttons on the right side, and one "shoulder" type button on one side. But it was made to work for their most popular multiplayer games like NSMB, SM3DW, Mario Kart, and Smash.
You constantly bring SMD and those other guys up in every NX thread, always making fun of them or something similar. I don't even wanna know why you do it, but there's really no point. We know they take speculation and other strange rumors as facts for their agenda. Then let them. Do your own thing. And it's not like you can say you don't care about them, because you obviously do, judging by your amount of posts about them.
Things like this (and a few other) ruin NX threads for me and really take the fun out of it.
(Note: I have nothing personal against SMD and those other people, if they're enjoying what they do then good on them. If they ever bring up a point that might actually have some merit then I'll gladly talk about it. I don't dislike people, but I do like facts/ credible rumors.)
JoshuaJSlone
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Ehh, that's similarly rudimentary as remote-only controls on Wii/WiiU games, except with less oddly balanced buttons. A d-pad with one big action button next to it, two main action buttons on the right side, and one "shoulder" type button on one side. But it was made to work for their most popular multiplayer games like NSMB, SM3DW, Mario Kart, and Smash.
If wiimote+nunchuk were instead some sort of wiichuk+wiichuk, playing simpler sideways games wouldn't mean the nunchuk just gets unplugged and set aside; it would mean more people could join in. It would also have meant more control possibilities to have the same options featured on both halves. That latter part is basically true of the one you quoted, but each half is worthless on its own and controller halves shaped like a D would not be very friendly for holding and moving unattached from each other. I don't think they'd want to completely give up the ability to play something like Wii Sports Bowling or Tennis without a very good reason.
Ahaa! I'm totally with you on the ergonomics point. Here is something I did just now:
I have doubts about the speaker placement. While Nintendo controllers have speakers since Wii, they couldn't be attached from the screen because mobile games would have no sound (like Pokémon Go).
This mockup is beautiful, btw. Congratz!
Panajev2001a
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Ahaa! I'm totally with you on the ergonomics point. Here is something I did just now:
I like this mockup
.The pro controller didn't have speakers, and the Wiimotes sound output, i don't really need. The gamepad was different because it needed to do the whole package, being a short range handheld.
Most tablets and phones have the speakers on the back, and i think that's what would make most sense here as well.
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Saint Titanfall
Two of thos games were designed with that sort of control scheme in mind. NSMB and Smash I can't imagine SM3DW or MK8 working remotely well with that control scheme and it's a niche as hell control scheme in the first place, not the main way your supposed to play local multiplayer games or to play games on your tv at all. It makes very little sense.
No rumour to the contrary. The Eurogamer article is the only one so far to claim an inside source on period of reveal.
If that happens though we don't have much time for the 'announcement of the announcement' left. That has to happen within two weeks I'd say.
Eurogamer's info about the reveal might be outdated already by now. These kind of things can change much easier than the hardware. Especially if there's no big live conference planned or something like this.
Also I wonder if Eurogamer's info comes from a developer who was announced to prepare a trailer or demo by certain date, but it doesn't necessarily mean that Nintendo will have the reveal immediately after.
Also I wonder if Eurogamer's info comes from a developer who was announced to prepare a trailer or demo by certain date, but it doesn't necessarily mean that Nintendo will have the reveal immediately after.
Fantastic distillation, thanks for taking the time.
Well, you're mad at me, fine. I can see why.
Although, this means that this wouldn't be so much of a problem if I could argue with him here on NeoGAF seeing as he isn't banned.
You say I don't care about them? Of course I care. I want them to make better arguments, what point is there in doubting the current NX rumours if they can't even make it sound likely that the NX is an x86/AMD GPU console?
It's September and things are coming at an end. It doesn't look like any more leaks will happen for a while.
I'm gonna go block SuperMetalDave right now just for you, so I don't see what he is up to.
I don't mind, as I said before, I should be spending my time doing other things.
If anyone else brings him up or HNF etc, I'll ignore it. But, if it is directed at me for some particular reason, I may have to respond depending on what it is about.
I still haven't seen a mockup in which the detachable controllers' buttons look usuable in both portrait and landscape orientation. Lots of nice designs, but I can't imagine Nintendo won't intend them to be used in both those orientations.
I also wonder what the chances we will be getting NSMB NX at launch, given that local multiplayer is yet again central to the design.
I also wonder what the chances we will be getting NSMB NX at launch, given that local multiplayer is yet again central to the design.
If they make another 2d Mario, they need to seriously shake up the formula and not call it nsmb.
JoshuaJSlone
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I still think it's weird to have a Smash control option with no analog stick, since that's how smash attacks worked and all. The others aren't so bad. NSMB is obviously very like SMB was on the NES. MK8 gets away with using tilt for steering. SM3DW is a loss, but it basically reverts things to the non-analog movement style found in 3D Land instead.
But really, a setup of analog stick, 4 face buttons, two shoulders is very nearly to the number of inputs found in the most commonly used N64 setup, and should work fine for most of those games and many more. It's something like NSMB which would be really weird if it really wouldn't have separate d-pad and face buttons on one controller section.
I like this mockup
Thanks! Why do you like it?
Thanks!
Yeah I couldn't make my mind up on speaker placement, then thought what would Nintendo do if they were given the option. I figure they could get more use from the speakers if they are on the controller while the main unit is docked. Voicechat? Gameplay gimmick to give the impression of surround sound? Nintendo likes their surround sound effect on the DS... But it probably complicates the circuitry inside if the main unit had to send sound via wifi/Bluetooth to 2 separate recivers. Imagine the next revision of the mock up has them on the main unit instead then
Shape is inspired by the SNES and Wii classic controller, nice rounded curves feels good in the hands. Heh.
Because they change their story every time something new pops up and say flat-out ridiculous things at times. This is more related to Apple, but their NX saga hasn't been much better. You can also Google thier NX articles and see how all over the place they've been. If everything they've posted about NX is true... Actually, I won't even humor it. It's just too stupid.
A huge screen for a handheld is not a plus.
I need to be able to bring around that shit.
And at home i'd be connecting it to a TV.
Thanks! Why do you like it?
Yeah I couldn't make my mind up on speaker placement, then thought what would Nintendo do if they were given the option. I figure they could get more use from the speakers if they are on the controller while the main unit is docked. Voicechat? Gameplay gimmick to give the impression of surround sound? Nintendo likes their surround sound effect on the DS... But it probably complicates the circuitry inside if the main unit had to send sound via wifi/Bluetooth to 2 separate recivers. Imagine the next revision of the mock up has them on the main unit instead then
Shape is inspired by the SNES and Wii classic controller, nice rounded curves feels good in the hands. Heh.
Looks cool, although it's a shame most of the people who are making mockups aren't focusing on doing something who could possibly be the real thing, not just a cool looking device.
I hardly imagine a so thin bezel on a Nintendo device, especially giving their previous products.
You havn't implemented the split d-pad.
The rounded shape of course isn't what has been rumored lately. That said idk when you worked on this. In any case, it doesn't click me as a cool, sober design.
4 menu buttons is a bit much. I imagine select being renamed share, and the home button going below the screen.
I'm interested to see more work on the spare controller body. Like I said a while ago, I believe it is the remaining puzzle piece.
I think the chances are exceptionally low for a few reasons. One, from the sound of what Nintendo was saying IIRC around SMM's launch, they'll challenge themselves to male a new kind of 2D Mario next time around. So, I think NSMB is done for now. Two, Miyamoto didn't specify that he was only talking about 3D Mario when he indicated we might see the new take on Mario at E3 next year, which makes me think the next 3D Mario could also incorporate 2D Mario aspects significantly, and that we won't see it at launch. Third, NSMBU did not propel Wii U to high sales at and after launch so I don't think they would necessarily launch with a 2D Mario again the next time, especially a NSMB. (I say all this as a massive fan of NSMBU who would be thrilled to see a sequel.)
Okami Haundo
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I'm very convinced that NX isn't going to be treated as a handheld based on what we've heard so far. I'm thinking they treat it as a home console that can be moved around and possibly played without being connected to a TV. More along the lines of sitting it on a table and playing vs a handheld that you're playing on the train.
In a world where 6 inches phones are the new normal and tablets exists and people are very capable of bringing those around, what makes you unable to do that?
Fourth Storm
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I've been thinking that the controller attachments might connect long ways. They might choose to include the Wii Remote's expansion port at the bottoms (as they're using it for the NES Classic mini) and have them hook up via that somehow. Based on the screen size (and assuming a thin bezel), that would produce a controller very close in length to the Wii Remote.
Or there's a separate shell. Or just a different classic controller for home use. It seems to me that these side controllers will be designed for traditional handheld use first and foremost. The two player portable mode is probably the "novelty" the one dev spoke of. It's not going to be perfect or as good as two people playing w/ Pro Controllers. How could it be?
Dark Cloud
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Omg it's Monday why hasn't Nintendo announced anything??
its Labor Day.
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Big fucking tangential news dropped.
The announcement of the Vulkan API is a big deal, and we finally got a big game moving to Vulkan on mobile.
Vainglory one the biggest mobile games going just dropped a beta for their app using the Vulkan API on Android.
They claim in terms of performance...
That's a big fucking performance jump.
The announcement of the Vulkan API is a big deal, and we finally got a big game moving to Vulkan on mobile.
Vainglory one the biggest mobile games going just dropped a beta for their app using the Vulkan API on Android.
They claim in terms of performance...
That's a big fucking performance jump.
Jorok Goldblade
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Mario Maker feels like the conclusion of that style of Mario game. If they make another 2D Mario, it has to be noticeably different from the classic formula, since we now have essentially an infinite level pack for that style of game.
Roto Prime
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It's a Dragon Quest artstyle/story game of Pokémon!! Directed by Sakurai!!!!!
Vanillalite
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Also worth noting that 30% increase is just in beta. Who knows how it'll work out once it goes stable.
Still that's really good news for the NX as it assumed the NX should have Vulkan support out of the box.
Still that's really good news for the NX as it assumed the NX should have Vulkan support out of the box.
It's not a 30% increase. It's up to.
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It's soon Tuesday in Japan (only midnight of course, so we would have to wait about eight hours before any commotion). The announcement of Wii's successor system I don't think saw mention on nintendo.com, nor on the press site. Perhaps announcement of the NX reveal could happen like that?
Isn't this improvement just for Android though?
Yes.
Vanillalite
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True, but a lot of that is because the game has fluctuating fps like all mobas cause it doesn't get crazy till team fights.
MR ARCADE FOREVER
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The Nintendo Vulkan would be a kick ass name. To bad it can't happen
I hope so as well. But remember, the NX will be able to play Breath of the Wild, a game uses every input of the Gamepad. Chances are, we are not going to see another input device as simple and streamlined as the Wii remote ever again... which I think is unfortunate.
The Wii remote was one of the greatest controllers ever designed.
JoshuaJSlone
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Jumping into the Ugly Mockup game. Couldn't hope for something looking good, but I was curious how the sizes would pan out. I assumed the 6.2 inch screen and little space above or below the screen stuff is true, which would mean not much more than 3 inches. Probably that is too little, but I wanted to err on that side. That being the case, I took a wiimote (a little over 6 inches) and halved its height but left the width the same. I further assumed it would have d-pad, analog, buttons. Largely because if it doesn't have both d-pad and buttons I think there are already perfectly decent mockups created days ago after the discussion about split d-pads equaling buttons, so redoing it but uglier would be pointless.
With the half size wiimote I moved over the d-pad and 1/2 buttons at original size, and completed the 1/2 into a diamond by rotating and overlapping with itself. Stuck the analog in the middle. Tried to scale it properly from a nunchuk, but it's hard to find an image of it facing forward next to a wiimote, so even uglier than the rest. Gave it two back buttons the size of the wiimote A button.
Pros: Both analog and d-pad are easily within thumb's reach in either orientation. Allows basically the same controls as original model 3DS. NES and SNES buttons intact. When paired all the buttons of a Dual Shock are available and then some. Used solo is recognizably a descendant of the wiimote.
Cons: Very small and cramped. But that's pretty inescapable if it's really not much more than 3" long? That's nearly 8Bitdo ZERO size. Keeping the design pretty flat as I did with the back buttons would be OK when it's all together, but not give a good grip when holding in one hand--more controllers flung into TVs like its 2006 this way. Also with all three of those elements (at full size) there's not much good place left for lesser things like -, +, Home, Share, power, lights.
wild wild rice
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Mistranslated prank.
Debunked as a cruel prank IIRC. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news!
Developers always were able to 'code to the metal' on consoles, which wasn't possible with OpenGL and DirectX <12 on PC/mobile. Vulkan won't help the NX as much as it helps PC/mobile as it just gives you a console like API which isn't abstracted as much as OpenGL and DirectX 11 and earlier.
Joegrine_TT
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Vanillalite
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It's the first game we even have to even talk about in terms of Vulkan on a mobile chipset.
It's also only in beta and only runs on like 3 devices because you have to have the right hardware + os + drivers.
I know both the Samsung GS7/E and Note both work IF you have the August security patch which also has the Vulkan drivers and such rolled into the update.
So this is sorta Vulkan the Undiscovered Country so to speak.
We should see more stuff over the coming months.
Yeah, but Android had always a performance problem with games. Too much garbage under the hood probably. So an up to 30% increase in performance for Vulkan under Android might translate to something much less significant for other OS.
Yup. Android runs on a very high level, so a lot of performance is lost just for that. iOS is more low level OS, performing same or better(with metal, equivalent to metal for apple devices) as android on less powerful hardware. Nintendo having a low level hardware + Vulcan would give us incredible performance with not much hardware.
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