PS4 Pro specs revealed - 4.2TF, 8GB GDDR5, up to 310W power consumption
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Diprosalic
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@Specs
I was planning on getting a Neo because I thought, assuredly they were going to try to compete with the Scorpio? Maybe not fully compete, but at least better than the XB1S.
is it not better specs wise than the XB1S?
SS1 Goku returning to earth.
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Well yeah, they were outputting 4K with a GPU significantly less powerful than the one in the OG PS4, this is over double that.
I mean minimize it all you want, but this is a substantial upgrade that's going to show real benefits regardless of resolution. This isn't "special sauce", its a real improvement to the hardware's capabilities.
I just don't see any downside to this at all, especially considering its being delivered at a mass-market friendly price.
ethomaz
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OG PS4 is already better than XB1S... Pro is in a whole new level.@Specs
I was planning on getting a Neo because I thought, assuredly they were going to try to compete with the Scorpio? Maybe not fully compete, but at least better than the XB1S. But now...maybe I'll just grab a regular PS4 during a BF sale. Especially since it doesn't come with a UHD Bluray.
What was Sony thinking with that decision?
fatigues_gasolini
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@Specs
I was planning on getting a Neo because I thought, assuredly they were going to try to compete with the Scorpio? Maybe not fully compete, but at least better than the XB1S. But now...maybe I'll just grab a regular PS4 during a BF sale. Especially since it doesn't come with a UHD Bluray.
What was Sony thinking with that decision?
Where are people getting this idea that the Xbox one s has some type of spec bump. I've seen quite a few people mention it already.
it depends on what the developer wants to do, but even with just a internal 4K checkerboard rendering technique on a single NEO mode, downscaling that to 1080p will give you a huge increase in IQ
@Specs
I was planning on getting a Neo because I thought, assuredly they were going to try to compete with the Scorpio? Maybe not fully compete, but at least better than the XB1S. But now...maybe I'll just grab a regular PS4 during a BF sale. Especially since it doesn't come with a UHD Bluray.
What was Sony thinking with that decision?
How Sony and MS view these mid-cycle refreshes are completely different. The Pro was always to be just an extension of the PS4 ecosystem. It is even reflected in the name. The PR Sony had before the reveal reflected that. Given the specs, the Pro accomplishes this well.
MS sees the Scorpio as a completely new start for them. Yes, the XBO will still be supported, but it seems that the Scorpio is being treated as a truer next gen leap. So it is common sense for MS to invest more in making the Scorpio beefy in terms of power.
I'm also sure MS was eager to reclaim the title of having the strongest console out on the market. I'm sure the XBO being weaker that the OG PS4, and constantly being reminded of it, hurt their pride at Redmond.
No. Only the games with "forward compatibility" will have additional features for Pro. All other games will play as normal, and be upscalable to 4k from 1080p / whatever it renders at. I'd guess that list will grow over time, especially as Pro gets more traction from users and there is a reason for devs / pubs to do it
What? It's not upscaled but games will be upscaled? Wtf you talking about dude? You just contradicted yourself in the same post lol.
Mark Cerny himself said they are using new rendering techniques to get to "4K". He was talking about checkerboard rendering, upscaling, reconstruction etc.
FarFromAnyGame
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doesn't "Forward Compatibility" apply to already released games? I think all upcoming games should support the power of PS4Pro via day one patch.
Beerman462
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Yes, It's an integrated CPU/GPU on one chip with all the memory on the same board.
ethomaz
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CPU + GPU in a single processor called APU... custom is because it uses a config specific to Pro that AMD won't sell to consumers.
John Wick
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Im slightly underwhelmed by the PS4 Pro. I think Sony have rushed out with this product when there was no reason to. Everything was in their favour but this looks like a misstep. A bad one at that. PS4 is selling like hotcakes. A revised slim was a good start. Lower the cost and build on that.
Neo seems weak with its Jaguar CPU and just the same 8gb Ram and 4.2TF GPU. No UHD Blu-ray drive either.
Your never gonna convince the premium market and PC players with this poorly planned system.
What they should have done is maybe released in March 2017 with a Zen/RX480 APU with 12gb Ram. UHD Blu-ray drive as standard. Launched with a premium improved Dualshock 4. The Machine all round would have been better and powerful.
Neo seems weak with its Jaguar CPU and just the same 8gb Ram and 4.2TF GPU. No UHD Blu-ray drive either.
Your never gonna convince the premium market and PC players with this poorly planned system.
What they should have done is maybe released in March 2017 with a Zen/RX480 APU with 12gb Ram. UHD Blu-ray drive as standard. Launched with a premium improved Dualshock 4. The Machine all round would have been better and powerful.
Beerman462
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And substantially more expensive. And harder to integrate into the PS4 platform
Beerman462
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It's a PS4 with an upgraded GPU and I think a clock boost on CPU
DangerMouse
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Yup. Plus it's still running games designed as "PS4 games," the same 8GB is probably fine.
So this is different than the Neo?
This is the Neo.
dcx4610
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It seems like such a weak upgrade. Yes, it's a bump but not THAT much of a bump. It's just enough to run 4k and probably only at 30fps at best.
I would have been much happier if they would have just made it for PS4k with HDR, UHD Blu-ray and 4k output for $300-350.
A year from now, Scorpio is set to blow it away and then what? PS5? It feels like Sony is competing with themselves.
I would have been much happier if they would have just made it for PS4k with HDR, UHD Blu-ray and 4k output for $300-350.
A year from now, Scorpio is set to blow it away and then what? PS5? It feels like Sony is competing with themselves.
Xenoflare
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This is pretty much 100 percent on point with the Neo leaks from Orsisblack (?) back in April, the 399 4.2TF version.
The shape is the same as the foxxcon artist drew, and his comment about all the HDDs are 1TB, this is exactly what the leak's been pointing at.
We knew pretty much everything about this console a long time ago, I have no idea why the backlash is so big considering this is nicely priced with quite the power upgrade.
Hell, the 2TB One S is the same price as this! If I could go back I'd wait for the 500GB One S and get the pro instead, never thought Sony would actually chose to not overdo the currency exchange in Canada.
Hype elevated to unrealistic proportions by the crazed, uninformed hive mind. You've learned your lesson now.
potatohead
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I bet games like Resogun or Alienation could push at 4K60 and 4K30 respectively.
ReBurn
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Hexa
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The Elder Scrolls MMO appears to be the only one so far.
It doesn't matter. THat's the thing. Sony are not trying to compete with Scorpio, this is a detour to them. MS are trying to claw their way back with a powerful unit.
Sony are focused on the long game, using the NEO to stretch out time until PS5 comes around.
Anyone who is disappointed, you did it to yourself, don't blame anyone or anything else.
Yes that's right, sorry. New games are mandated to support PS4 Pro with an improvement, but not necessarily "run better" ie performance. It might be that a dev chooses to improve fidelity alone
levyjl1988
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Seems very strange for Sony to release the PS4 Slim and the PS4 Pro the same year.
Microsoft seems like it will hang back this holiday season and sell the Xbox One Slim as a 4K BluRay player to compete against the Samsung 4K player.
But man next year Xbox One Project Scorpio is going to rip PS4 Pro in system comparison.
Then again next year Sony will focus on software while Microsoft will focus on hardware it seems. NX will be the wild card.
Microsoft seems like it will hang back this holiday season and sell the Xbox One Slim as a 4K BluRay player to compete against the Samsung 4K player.
But man next year Xbox One Project Scorpio is going to rip PS4 Pro in system comparison.
Then again next year Sony will focus on software while Microsoft will focus on hardware it seems. NX will be the wild card.
Mr. PlayStation
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If Digital Foundry can release a video explaining how beneficial the boost in gpu and higher clocked cpu would help games benefit from PS4 Pro, that right there might be a better marketing message than what was said today at the meeting. I couldn't have cared less for any 4K/HDR mumbo jumbo. Just make it clear can PS4 Pro handle 1080p/60fps for games, can they make that a standard finally??
Or are my dreams of re-playing Batman:Arkham Knight/ Witcher III/ BF4 campaign in their 1080p/60fps glory completely crushed? GAF help me!
Or are my dreams of re-playing Batman:Arkham Knight/ Witcher III/ BF4 campaign in their 1080p/60fps glory completely crushed? GAF help me!
Interesting.
So my next question: isn't it kind of pointless to have a significantly upgraded GPU if you keep the same amount of RAM? Wouldn't that be a pretty big bottleneck?
Tarkus
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How's mister cteam over in Russia?
Sota4077
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Everything about that reveal smelled of a console that was reluctantly designed and designed on a smaller than desired budget.
I don't care if you love or hate Sony not having UHD is bizarre to say the least and seems like it was left out strictly to hit a price-point. I totally get where Sony are coming from though. In terms of console catastrophes between Sony and Microsoft their obscene price point for PS3 is their everlasting scar just like the RROD is for Microsoft. The Xbox One is a bulky beast because of cooling and cooling alone. I don't fault Sony for prioritizing price point is that is in fact what they did.
I don't care if you love or hate Sony not having UHD is bizarre to say the least and seems like it was left out strictly to hit a price-point. I totally get where Sony are coming from though. In terms of console catastrophes between Sony and Microsoft their obscene price point for PS3 is their everlasting scar just like the RROD is for Microsoft. The Xbox One is a bulky beast because of cooling and cooling alone. I don't fault Sony for prioritizing price point is that is in fact what they did.
And that's why it really hurts.
Sota4077
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Thought he was a Filipino Pharmacist? That other cook who shall remain nameless is the Russian.
Except it's not.
Was the presentation that confusing, are people misinformed or are people deliberately making up stuff now?
Scorpio > Pro > PS4 > XB1, it's really simple.
DangerMouse
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While I agree they should have lead with Horizon for that wow factor, the main problem on a stream like this is that it doesn't help that you can't show people 4K HDR on a 1080p (obviously non-hdr) PC monitor.
Manmademan
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Wait..so you expected a machine that was powerful enough to do 4K gaming for $299?
The CURRENT PS4 is $299.
The Ps4 Pro is coming in at $399 and still isn't powerful enough to do it. The economics just aren't there. But for what it IS, it's more than fine. It's twice as powerful as base PS4 and three times stronger than an Xbox One. For $399.
Some delusional people on this forum.
No. RAM is more than enough already. RAM bandwidth is higher in the PS4 Pro.
DangerMouse
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All newer ones after a certain date are required to have a "pro mode".
meanspartan
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Will this add better framerate at 1080p or not?
I imagine not. Devs wont want to have a 4k version at 30fps and 1080p at 60fps
I imagine not. Devs wont want to have a 4k version at 30fps and 1080p at 60fps
TLZ
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Yea. I really hope it's the case with Pro too because 310W is making me stay away from it.
Couldn't care less about UHD BR.
DangerMouse
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It's upto devs and probably will vary game to game. Apparently Tomb Raider is one already doing it as it will have at least three choices (someone also mentioned a slider), one of which is unlocked framerate at 1080p for better framerate, in addition to a 4K/30 and a 1080p/30 with extra bells and whistles toward the visuals.
recklesscognition
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The real problem is that this very likely is a noticeably better gaming experience worth the cost of an upgrade even for those of us with 1080 sets, but because of the OG PS4 and the 40 million users, it will never be marketed as such, everything Pro will be based on 4k, and I'd imagine, quite a lot of the hardware improvements will never make games as good as they could be on the Pro.