PS4 Pro specs revealed - 4.2TF, 8GB GDDR5, up to 310W power consumption

kirbyfan407 said:
I don't have a PS4, but I'm planning on buying one mid-2017. Since I'll be continuing to use my 24" 1080p TV for the entirety of my PS4 use and it'll be my "second console" (NX likely my first), I was figuring the Slim is the best decision since it is a cheaper and I'll be a fairly casual player. But given the somewhat small price gap, I'm more intrigued by the PS4P than I thought I ever would be.

My main hope is that a list of which titles are PS4P compatible and how they are enhanced will be maintained somewhere on the internet. That way, I could see what exactly this system does for someone like me and the games I want when it comes time to buy. As of now, it's unclear to me how many games will be benefitting and in what way. It seems that's also unclear for Sony and developers. So...I guess, just like with the n3DS, it'll be a matter of waiting and seeing what developers choose to do.
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in the end, thats only a 50€/$ difference between a 1tbyte slim and a 1tbyte pro

what you mean with compatible? they are all compatible
 
beastlove said:
I am not saying the are charging for updates only that several news outlets are carrying this story. So far sony haven't made a statement either way, hence the market confusion. The average consumer will not spend ages reading games forums. You seemed well informed but do you think the average consumer is well informed? All I am saying is that we have conflicting information on major news outlets which is the last thing you want for a new product launch.
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Sony did put out a statement saying no upgrade patches will cost money. They'll all be free.
 
What I want to know is what will this product offer me as a gamer with a 1080p TV who doesn't plan in investing in a 4K display for another couple of years?

When the companies announced their plans for a smartphone like mid-cycle refresh I wasn't sold on the idea and I'm still not. On the other hand, the price of the Pro is low enough that I could sell my PS4 and get a pro at only a $200 hit to me. But is it worth it?
 
LowEndTorque said:
What I want to know is what will this product offer me as a gamer with a 1080p TV who doesn't plan in investing in a 4K display for another couple of years?

When the companies announced their plans for a smartphone like mid-cycle refresh I wasn't sold on the idea and I'm still not. On the other hand, the price of the Pro is low enough that I could sell my PS4 and get a pro at only a $200 hit to me. But is it worth it?
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Better graphics, better frame rate and probably some other things thrown in.
 
LowEndTorque said:
What I want to know is what will this product offer me as a gamer with a 1080p TV who doesn't plan in investing in a 4K display for another couple of years?

When the companies announced their plans for a smartphone like mid-cycle refresh I wasn't sold on the idea and I'm still not. On the other hand, the price of the Pro is low enough that I could sell my PS4 and get a pro at only a $200 hit to me. But is it worth it?
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I'm holding off until I get a 4K set which is like you another couple years at this stage while I wait for OLED to mature. The benefits may exist but having just finished uncharted 4 and constantly being amazed at its graphics, I'm not dissatisfied at all with the performance of OG PS4, especially on my pro calibrated Panasonic plasma.
 
beastlove said:
I am not saying the are charging for updates only that several news outlets are carrying this story. So far sony haven't made a statement either way, hence the market confusion. The average consumer will not spend ages reading games forums. You seemed well informed but do you think the average consumer is well informed? All I am saying is that we have conflicting information on major news outlets which is the last thing you want for a new product launch.
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At least it's on Twitter.

https://mobile.twitter.com/yosp/status/774360020343545856?p=v

Games "journalism" is the worst. Even when they know that the info in articles is wrong outlets wont take them down. They wont even change the headline, which is the only thing most people read.
 
You would have thought they'd take this revision as a perfect chance to throw in the PS3 components for bc, but nope.
 
TGO said:
You would have thought they'd take this revision as a perfect chance to throw in the PS3 components for bc, but nope.
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Not a great reason to implement a chip they aren't producing anymore into a system adding a premium, size, heating requirements etc. For a feature that like 1% of their player-base would actually use.
 
Aztechnology said:
Not a great reason to implement a chip they aren't producing anymore into a system adding a premium, size, heating requirements etc. For a feature that like 1% of their player-base would actually use.
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Is that Playstation Now userbase?
I think it cost them more to implement that.
 
And they charge you for that if you use it.

You can't just open the lid and throw in a lump of silicon. Adding PS3 components would make the mainboard a complicated mess, raising the costs far more than just the price of the chip.
 
Saberus said:
With extra features that are beyond Polaris, Mark Cerny said he will go more into more detail as we get closer to launch.
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Yeah but he wasn't asking about that =p

I am curious to find out what other new features have been added besides hardware support for checkerboard rendering.
 
xamidoxhua said:
I'm holding off until I get a 4K set which is like you another couple years at this stage while I wait for OLED to mature. The benefits may exist but having just finished uncharted 4 and constantly being amazed at its graphics, I'm not dissatisfied at all with the performance of OG PS4, especially on my pro calibrated Panasonic plasma.
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I have both a god tier Panny and an OLED. The latter wins handily. I'd take a look at this years--the tech is pretty mature already.
 
Can anyone anwser my question: i own a 1080p tv (Samsung LED D8000) could the games look worse on PS4-pro due to its settings for 4K than on the normal PS4. Or will they just look better?
 
PeterLegend said:
They downclocked the RX 480 because it was too hot?
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You probably really think there is a PCIe graphics card in the PS4 Pro, do you?

Integrating graphics technology into an APU does impose certain limitations due to heat management. I personally think it is an amazing achievement, there is no comparable APU on the market for PC mainboards, not by a mile.
 
Aztechnology said:
A piece of hardware in every new console vs a server/cloud based service that has very healthy margins for them?
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Think your forgetting how much it cost to get such service in the first place, but yeah they couldn't even include a 4k Blu-ray player in their 4K machine which doesn't actually do 4k yet has 2x the power for nothing as they haven't shown what 2x the power does other than upscale games.
 
kikonawa said:
in the end, thats only a 50€/$ difference between a 1tbyte slim and a 1tbyte pro

what you mean with compatible? they are all compatible
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Yeah, it's that hypothetical $50 difference that has me paying attention.

"compatible" was a poor choice of words. I meant games that are taking advantage of the PS4P hardware.
 
TGO said:
Think your forgetting how much it cost to get such service in the first place, but yeah they couldn't even include a 4k Blu-ray player in their 4K machine which doesn't actually do 4k yet has 2x the power for nothing as they haven't shown what 2x the power does other than upscale games.
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Or you know, it renders 2x the pixels of 1080p like they mentioned (which isn't 4K but quite a bit better than 1080p).

I'm just surprised anyone would think that a GPU that's only a bit over 2x more powerful than the PS4 would render at a resolution 4x higher than 1080p... The math just doesn't add up.
 
Planet said:
You probably really think there is a PCIe graphics card in the PS4 Pro, do you?

Integrating graphics technology into an APU does impose certain limitations due to heat management. I personally think it is an amazing achievement, there is no comparable APU on the market for PC mainboards, not by a mile.
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Agreed completely, Sony and AMD have gotten two great designs in a row and AMD has been able to bring those customisation back to their PC side of the business afterwards so both Sony and AMD benefited. AMD has been doing a massively under appreciated job this last 5-6 years and deserves more success overall... and I do not want an Intel and NVIDIA virtual duopoly.
 
I seriously tempted to keep the major games that I'll be buying before lunch of this until I actually get the PS4 Pro. There are a few for me before it launches, some of which I've pre-ordered and I think I can hang on for a couple of months.

Will anybody else be waiting like this?
 
Brad Grenz said:
It's neither. It uses a bespoke APU built on 16nm with twice as many compute units as the original PS4, plus certain tech enhancements from Polaris and Sony requested GPU customizations.
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I really can't wait to find out what the extra stuff is, Cerny mentioned the "extras" and a few of the devs have mention them in their post show interviews but nobody says anything apart confirming that there is new stuff there that looks towards future hardware advancements.

I know Cerny is going to talk about the hardware over the next few weeks so it'll be interesting to hear about the new stuff.
 
JP said:
I seriously tempted to keep the major games that I'll be buying before lunch of this until I actually get the PS4 Pro. There are a few for me before it launches, some of which I've pre-ordered and I think I can hang on for a couple of months.

Will anybody else be waiting like this?
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Yes, I will be doing this. No more (new) games for me now until Pro comes out, I'm fine with this, I will probably play through some games again, including U1, 2 and 3 (waiting for the upgraded U4 Pro version) and then get the new games for the Pro.
 
JP said:
I seriously tempted to keep the major games that I'll be buying before lunch of this until I actually get the PS4 Pro. There are a few for me before it launches, some of which I've pre-ordered and I think I can hang on for a couple of months.

Will anybody else be waiting like this?
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I'm just going to wait until Black Friday for all the games that release before the Pro. Only exception might be Battlefield 1 and the CE of The Last Guardian(if I keep that order).
 
Larogue said:
True that it's a downclocked RX 480. But at it's current clock speed its slower than most RX 470s in term of real time performance.

Since most RX 470s usually runs at ~ 5 TF
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why did they down clock it?

Isn’t something 5TF closer to scorpio and would have made the power gap even less of a significance? or is it more about the Ram/CPU upgrade that MS is rumored to do
 
Omnistalgic said:
why did they down clock it?

Isn’t something 5TF closer to scorpio and would have made the power gap even less of a significance? or is it more about the Ram/CPU upgrade that MS is rumored to do
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More chips can reach the speed.
- Resulting in less failed chips.
Lower power consumpution
- Less heat production.
-- Cheaper cooling solution will suffice.
-- PSU can deliver less power.
-- Heat production affects internal chassis design (airflow, fan).
 
Omnistalgic said:
why did they down clock it?

Isn’t something 5TF closer to scorpio and would have made the power gap even less of a significance? or is it more about the Ram/CPU upgrade that MS is rumored to do
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Two reasons,

1- Power draw, it already reaching up to 310W with its current down clocked state, imagine how much it would draw at high clock.

2- Heat. Its already gonna need some really powerful cooling solution to cool down a 310W system. And no matter what, they have to make it withstand extreme conditions. So they have to play it safe. (to avoid a red ring of death kind of heating problems. That XB360 had before)
 
Man, only problem right now is waiting for the Pro to launch. Even though it's soon, I've already sold my PS4 and have my Pro pre-order paid off.
 
So much misinformation here...

No, the PS4 Pro will not use up to 310W of power, it will be around 165W (bookmark this and wait for Digital Foundry to confirm or debunk this, if you like).

The graphics part of the Pro is integrated with the CPU into a single chip. That construct is called an APU. Think of the graphics unit inside almost all modern PC CPUs, then it might sink in how much more powerful the one in the Pro is (while compromising on the CPU part). An APU has its own limitations on clock rates to keep the heat distribution in check.

To make it absolutely clear: there is no graphics card inside the PS4 Pro, so it isn't "downclocked"!
 
Planet said:
So much misinformation here...

No, the PS4 Pro will not use up to 310W of power, it will be around 165W (bookmark this and wait for Digital Foundry to confirm or debunk this, if you like).

The graphics part of the Pro is integrated with the CPU into a single chip. That construct is called an APU. Think of the graphics unit inside almost all modern PC CPUs, then it might sink in how much more powerful the one in the Pro is (while compromising on the CPU part). An APU has its own limitations on clock rates to keep the heat distribution in check.

To make it absolutely clear: there is no graphics card inside the PS4 Pro, so it isn't "downclocked"!
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I don't think anyone really thinks there is a graphics card in the system. However the GPU is based on the Polaris architecture found in the RX 480, so I think it's easier to associate the technology that way for some.
 
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