twentytwo22
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Just came to post this. Huge difference in temp; the fan version is around 25 degrees celcius cooler. That is gonna lead to some huge performance differences. Awesome.
IndieGogo - Windows 10 GPD Handheld -299$ "A Laptop Fitting in Your Pocket"
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Just came to post this. Huge difference in temp; the fan version is around 25 degrees celcius cooler. That is gonna lead to some huge performance differences. Awesome.
Hopefully now that the Chinese orders are being manufactured the chosen English testers will get a unit soon.
Phawx
Member
One would hope. I know of two people who have been selected. I am on the "maybe" list. I also know a few others that are on the "maybe" list.
Also the people who have already been confirmed to get test units still haven't received any news when they are going to see it.
DrROBschiz
Member
So whats the timeline for IndieGOGO backers to get their units?
We still looking at potentially October/November?
We still looking at potentially October/November?
Long as there are no problems they are still on track for October maybe latest November.
twentytwo22
Member
They have begun full-blown production as of yesterday, according to their update on the Chinese equivalent of IndieGogo (JD) and have stated that they can manufacture around 2,000 a week with a rough total of ~7,000 backers. Unless something goes wrong, I'd guess late October at the latest.
How's Dota 2/csgo run on this machine and wot gpu/cpu would this equate to on the pc desktop. Would give me an idea of how powerful this would be. Playing csgo and dota 2 be would be great.
Also would it not have been better for the controls to be below the keyboard and not above. Looks like a design flaw.
Also would it not have been better for the controls to be below the keyboard and not above. Looks like a design flaw.
Phawx
Member
Hey fellas,
We still haven't got actual confirmation that the GPDWin supports more that 128GB microsd cards, having said that, 200GB MicroSD is $60 right now on Amazon.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00V62XBQQ/?tag=neogaf0e-20
I already bought one (for $70 a few months ago) so if you want to wait (it'll def get cheaper with time) I'll be able to test and make sure it works before you drop money on this.
Realistically it should work but GPD is only listing what max specs from the type of MicroSD card slot that's on the Win.
We still haven't got actual confirmation that the GPDWin supports more that 128GB microsd cards, having said that, 200GB MicroSD is $60 right now on Amazon.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00V62XBQQ/?tag=neogaf0e-20
I already bought one (for $70 a few months ago) so if you want to wait (it'll def get cheaper with time) I'll be able to test and make sure it works before you drop money on this.
Realistically it should work but GPD is only listing what max specs from the type of MicroSD card slot that's on the Win.
They said the same thing for their GPD XD. 200GB MicroSD I have in my GPD XD works just fine. Planning on putting it in my GPD WIN along with my 128GB samsung fit USB drive.
GhostTrick
Banned
Preordered it. Now waiting for release !
I remember a video showing street fighter X tekken running fine on it.I think dota 2/csgo should be fine.
I have an open Pandora with the same control layout and it feels fine.
Reading the comments over the course of this campaign and all the things said by backers reminds me that despite how little knowledge I have about electronics design I still know far more than the average person which is kinda depressing in some ways.
Well I don't think this was addressed until now but before I was afraid the fan was totally manually controlled by the switch and shutting off the device wouldn't turn off the fan but fortunately it looks like that isn't an issue.
From IGG comments.
Well I don't think this was addressed until now but before I was afraid the fan was totally manually controlled by the switch and shutting off the device wouldn't turn off the fan but fortunately it looks like that isn't an issue.
From IGG comments.
DrROBschiz
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Phawx
Member
Just go to the comment section of the Indiegogo campaign. A few people are demanding refunds.
DrROBschiz
Member
Weird
I dont get it. Its been nothing but better everything since the first concept
Better CPU, better cooling, etc
Phawx
Member
Yea, it's much-to-do-about-nothing. A speaker was lost to include a fan (easy improvement) and there was some miscommunication regarding the HDMI interface.
I paid $300 in February for a passively cooled z8500 and now I'm getting an actively cooled (with a decent heatsink) z8750 - minus 1 speaker that I didn't care about to begin with.
That's a pretty huge win for me. But people seldom understand technical aspects.
Gamelive has 2 new videos up.
Crysis Warhead.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-E...eLive遊戲直播室
Ran around 20 fps mostly although I only skimmed the video, he was running at 720p.
Curious how well it'd run at 800x600 resolution.
Resident Evil HD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22r...eLive遊戲直播室
Single digit framerate.
Don't have time to watch video fully to see what settings he has.
Crysis Warhead.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-E...eLive遊戲直播室
Ran around 20 fps mostly although I only skimmed the video, he was running at 720p.
Curious how well it'd run at 800x600 resolution.
Resident Evil HD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22r...eLive遊戲直播室
Single digit framerate.
Don't have time to watch video fully to see what settings he has.
These benchmarks should be of interest since the same software is used to test many other devices in the western world so there should be plenty of data around to directly compare to.
http://tieba.baidu.com/p/4774328861
http://tieba.baidu.com/p/4774328861
GhostTrick
Banned
New video, showing promising results:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrqycNgukCg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrqycNgukCg
Modern Warfare 2 and DMC4 are going on my GPD Win for sure.
GhostTrick
Banned
RandomExpletive
Member
What a time to be alive, that is MIGHTY impressive.
Tizoc
Member
Mw1 doesnt have cntroler support last i checked
Few programs to add controller support if some doesn't work.
GPD should have 300-500 units done in two days for the JD backers.
They seem to have had delays due to the case mold.
http://tieba.baidu.com/p/4778547654
Nothing confirmed yet but rumblings of a possible change to the Z8700 due to some unknown issues.
It mentions change from HD 405 to Intel HD but AFAIK there is no difference graphics wise between the two and the decrease in burst frequency doesn't bother me.
We should know soon if the delay also applies to IGG backers or just third party preorders.
If true I'm curious as to what exactly was worse with the Z8750, its essentially identical to the Z8700 with a higher burst frequency.
Also
http://tieba.baidu.com/p/4778766908
They seem to have had delays due to the case mold.
http://tieba.baidu.com/p/4778547654
Nothing confirmed yet but rumblings of a possible change to the Z8700 due to some unknown issues.
This is the guy that runs the http://belchine.net/ store.
It mentions change from HD 405 to Intel HD but AFAIK there is no difference graphics wise between the two and the decrease in burst frequency doesn't bother me.
We should know soon if the delay also applies to IGG backers or just third party preorders.
If true I'm curious as to what exactly was worse with the Z8750, its essentially identical to the Z8700 with a higher burst frequency.
Also
http://tieba.baidu.com/p/4778766908
GhostTrick
Banned
Phawx
Member
The current batch for JD.com backers looks like they are all receiving 8750
DrROBschiz
Member
Damnit!
Does this mean backers are getting dicked with the weaker 8700?
Does this mean backers are getting dicked with the weaker 8700?
What's the difference between those two versions?
DrROBschiz
Member
It was my understanding that 8750 was a small upgrade overall
Maybe that is overstated a bit but with the way this machine is built i want every tiny perk i can get to max out performance
Maybe that is overstated a bit but with the way this machine is built i want every tiny perk i can get to max out performance
GhostTrick
Banned
Dicked ? Come on, it was a 8500 at first. 8750 is 5% faster AT BEST than 8700.
Burst frequency. 2.56Ghz for 8750, 2.4 for 8700, but that is during burst clock, which are like 30 seconds clocks at best.
Yeah, I can understand that, but keep in mind we're talking about burst clock. Otherwise, it's identical. Also, the switch isn't confirmed yet.
What does that mean, a performance boost?
And know we are having people flip out wanting to delay it until they get supply of Z8750's.
No stop.
A .16 difference in max frequency which you'll almost never see since after it hits that speed it'll drop quickly.
At least we aren't as bad as the Chinese backers.
The bug they've found seems interesting.
No stop.
A .16 difference in max frequency which you'll almost never see since after it hits that speed it'll drop quickly.
At least we aren't as bad as the Chinese backers.
After it got delayed a couple days there were people going berserk on the Chinese forums and I'm pretty sure I saw at least one post threatening legal action for the delay.
The bug they've found seems interesting.
The upgrade from the 8500 to the 8700 is significant for a device like this -- on the other hand, the difference between the 8750 and 8700 is almost completely immaterial.
If an early backer is unhappy with this change I am more than happy to take theirs off their hands for $300
If an early backer is unhappy with this change I am more than happy to take theirs off their hands for $300
GhostTrick
Banned
Basically, a performance boost... for 30 seconds.
The upgrade from the 8500 to the 8700 is significant for a device like this -- on the other hand, the difference between the 8750 and 8700 is almost completely immaterial.
If an early backer is unhappy with this change I am more than happy to take theirs off their hands for $300
I wanted to back it... but as a European, I was worried to get to pay an import tax of 20%. So I ended up preordering it for 330€ on a European site.
But yeah, people complaining are freakin crazy. It's like GPD would've been safer never upgrade the thing, and stick to the 8500/6000mAh plan. That is the very definition of entitlement, when people complain when they get an upgrade. People complained that the upgrade ends up being 8700/6700mAh instead of 8750/6900mAh when they were promised 8500/6000mAh battery in the first place.
Basically, for those wondering, the first plan was an Atom x5 8500 SoC, so a 1.44Ghz CPU, with a 1.8Ghz burst clock, and a 12 Execution Unit GPU... and it got upgraded to an Atom x7 8700 SoC, so a 1.6Ghz CPU, with a 2.4Ghz burst clock and a 16 Execution Unit GPU. The 8750 is the same CPU, but with a slightly higher clocked burst mode.
Phawx
Member
Yea, this is from Kendy on indiegogo comments:
kendy77 zhu
Campaigner
10 hours ago
Thanks for support.Sorry,we are indeed meeting some trouble of Z8750 supply issue now. But we will try our best to solve this problem.And it is true that the emergency plan may change it to 8700 CPU in order to avoid a long time delay....We are working for it now,really hope this issue can be solved and once get the update new i will let your all know.And once the JD delivery finished.we will start the mass production for INDIEGOGO backers.
So it's not 100% confirmed. But it's more than a 0% chance that we get the 8700. Just have to wait and see.
Intel uses something called Turbo Boost, which means that the CPU can overclock itself automatically provided there is thermal room and power to do so. But it rapidly clocks itself at different frequencies above the base clock (which is 1.6Ghz for BOTH the 8700 and the 8750) and you shouldn't expect it to remain at MAX Turbo for very long, as GhostTrick is saying.
But there is also ATSC texture compression fixes as well as Alpha-transparency blending fixes on the GPU. How apparent that will be is yet to be seen.
The 8750 is a better chip, all-in-all. However, we are in a MUCH better place because when I preordered in February, it was to get the 8500 and at the very least we'll get the 8700.
It's still better.
Mihos
Gold Member
Man, I was just going to run the RPG maker and other light games from my steam collection on it. You guys are full bore.
I'm still undecided on it since this is pretty much what I want it for and 300+ euro is a lot for playing indie games I can play on my laptop. That said, out just such a novelty I doubt hold out for long.
Glass Shark
Banned
Color me shocked, I can't believe this actually turned out to be real
GhostTrick
Banned
It wasn't surprising though. GPD is a real company which released products already. Even better, it got upgraded at no costs.
Phawx
Member
Phawx
Member
Yea, I'm quite salty about jd.com stuff shipping before anybody else. Not going to cancel though.
Just wait until people learn that the cpu is not fully compliant with LPDDR3 standards and Intel got waivers from RAM companies for this.
Or any of the other several dozen major issues with the entire Z8000 that you need to code workarounds for.
Kinda surprised no one has complained yet about how the JD backers paid the equivalent of $275 then which is $270 at today's exchange rates yet.
Or any of the other several dozen major issues with the entire Z8000 that you need to code workarounds for.
Kinda surprised no one has complained yet about how the JD backers paid the equivalent of $275 then which is $270 at today's exchange rates yet.
Phawx
Member
In what way isn't it fully compliant? As for bugs to workaround, if you follow any person working with GPU nitty gritty, they will often tell you how crazy buggy GPUs are:
https://twitter.com/FioraAeterna/status/772454513437396993
As for jd.com backers only paying $270, I understand that it's considerably cheaper to ship things within China, so paying 10% less than me is fine.
Honestly the only thing I was miffed about was the order of operations. But I've since admitted defeat and moved on.
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