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[MJPIA]

In what way isn't it fully compliant? As for bugs to workaround, if you follow any person working with GPU nitty gritty, they will often tell you how crazy buggy GPUs are:

https://twitter.com/FioraAeterna/status/772454513437396993

As for jd.com backers only paying $270, I understand that it's considerably cheaper to ship things within China, so paying 10% less than me is fine.

Honestly the only thing I was miffed about was the order of operations. But I've since admitted defeat and moved on.

The Z8000 series is unable to comply with a max 20ms power ramp duration tINIT0 so its not fully compliant with JESD209-3 aka LPDDR3 standards but at the same time it affects nothing and Intel has waivers.
I am well aware of all of that, it was more sarcasm at how everyone has gotten worked up into a frenzy and some people on IGG are suddenly demanding refunds when we don't even know if changes have been made because of a Chinese festival, they have never promised we'd get the Z8750 and everyones throwing around how the Z8700 has alpha blending issues when there's no hard proof that will affect anything and the issue and you can avoid the conditions that trigger the issue in the first place.
All the errata Intel has published details about sound scary but they can all be worked around and some people are acting as if that's unacceptable.

Honestly the thing that confuses me the most about the Z8750 is how they mention it fixed issues with alpha blending and atsc graphics but of the 48 (49 total) errata shared by the entire Z8000 line there is no mention of ATSC anywhere at all and in Intel's list of errata the only one in the entire list that is not shared between the Z8*00 and Z8*50 lines is CHT30 where "SoC May Experience an Incorrect Pixel Alpha Component in The Render Target ."

I'm kinda wondering if this alpha blending bug only applies to atsc broadcasts which means everyone is literally getting worked up about nothing.

Gonna try to see if I can get any more info out of Intel.

 

[Phawx]

I am well aware of all of that

I'm kinda wondering if this alpha blending bug only applies to atsc broadcasts which means everyone is literally getting worked up about nothing.

Gonna try to see if I can get any more info out of Intel.

Oh, haha. Sorry I missed the sarcasm tag XD

Also, I believe you have the ordering on acronym wrong. It's ASTC, not ATSC. The only reason I say that is because you are mentioning "broadcast"

ASTC is Adaptive Scalable Texture Compression and IIRC was introduced a few years ago to ease porting for Android devices that could have a multitude of different mobile GPUs (Mali, Adreno, Nvidia, PowerVR, Intel Gen GPU) which all used there own texture compression. ASTC was created to work across all of those GPUs in OpenGLes.

Having said that, I think you may be on to something with Intel not mentioning ASTC but only mentioning alpha-blending. The two may be linked in that there is only Alpha Blending issues with regrard to ASTC texture compression (which would really only apply to Android)

 

[GhostTrick]

The worst thing about this us the JD.com backers. Getting served first with the best and fucking whining for 3 to 4 days delays.

 

[MJPIA]

Oh, haha. Sorry I missed the sarcasm tag XD

Also, I believe you have the ordering on acronym wrong. It's ASTC, not ATSC. The only reason I say that is because you are mentioning "broadcast"

ASTC is Adaptive Scalable Texture Compression and IIRC was introduced a few years ago to ease porting for Android devices that could have a multitude of different mobile GPUs (Mali, Adreno, Nvidia, PowerVR, Intel Gen GPU) which all used there own texture compression. ASTC was created to work across all of those GPUs in OpenGLes.

Having said that, I think you may be on to something with Intel not mentioning ASTC but only mentioning alpha-blending. The two may be linked in that there is only Alpha Blending issues with regrard to ASTC texture compression (which would really only apply to Android)

Yeah sometimes my sarcasm is a tad too subtle sorry.

And I am really glad you pointed that out because I am dyslexic and have been (mis)reading it as ATSC this entire time and was thinking it involved tv broadcast's.
I'm glad that was pointed out now rather than after I contacted Intel because that would have been slightly awkward.

 

[Mihos]

I'm still undecided on it since this is pretty much what I want it for and 300+ euro is a lot for playing indie games I can play on my laptop. That said, out just such a novelty I doubt hold out for long.

Right now I play them via streaming on my shield, but wanted something standalone I could take with me on trips. And it isn't just indies, I would guess a good 50% of the games I have on Steam would run at acceptable levels.

It is also a fricken PC, so it has some practical uses as well. I am hoping I can boot to USB to a Linux distro box for some of the edge stuff I am writing that is x86. I would SSH in from my work laptop, but at least I would have the box next to me instead of always VPN

 

[CO_Andy]

The worst thing about this us the JD.com backers. Getting served first with the best and fucking whining for 3 to 4 days delays.

Unfortunate, but being the first to everything isn't without its downsides (later XD shipments got a better dpad).

 

[MJPIA]

Bunch of JD backers are getting their devices and a bunch of videos are going up all over.
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTcyODIzNTI2OA==.html
GTA5 on Z8750.
FPS looks decent in that area of the map at least although framerate varies a lot place to place so that video doesn't exactly tell us much.

 

[broncobuster]

With more units out there I'd like to see battery life tests. Not expecting anything crazy, but it'd be good to know.

 

[Phawx]

With more units out there I'd like to see battery life tests. Not expecting anything crazy, but it'd be good to know.

GPD posted on Baidu with a BIOS update (which will only be for 8750 models, 8700 models need a different BIOS) in that same thread they mention the BIOS has tweaks for the 6700mAh battery and after the BIOS update to expect ~3hours of battery life on games that are demanding.

 

[GhostTrick]

GPD posted on Baidu with a BIOS update (which will only be for 8750 models, 8700 models need a different BIOS) in that same thread they mention the BIOS has tweaks for the 6700mAh battery and after the BIOS update to expect ~3hours of battery life on games that are demanding.

Damn, I can't wait to receive the damn thing. I'm just annoyed by their lack of communication and the whining JD.com backers.

 

[twentytwo22]

Damn, I can't wait to receive the damn thing. I'm just annoyed by their lack of communication and the whining JD.com backers.

I feel like their communication has been amazing for a crowdfunding campaign. Kendy replies to every single comment. China is on holiday right now (three days off), but I imagine at the very least they will start replying to backers comments within the next 48 hours.

 

[broncobuster]

GPD posted on Baidu with a BIOS update (which will only be for 8750 models, 8700 models need a different BIOS) in that same thread they mention the BIOS has tweaks for the 6700mAh battery and after the BIOS update to expect ~3hours of battery life on games that are demanding.

Thanks. As a minimum that's about an hour better than expected.

 

[NobleGundam]

Maybe for $200 but hell no

 

[Phawx]

Maybe for $200 but hell no

Cheapest z8700 you can get is the BeeLink for $200~ and that doesn't have a screen/battery/buttons/design/keyboard

I wouldn't anticipate ever finding the GPDwin for less than $300. Also considering that Intel cancelled the Atom line, whenever stock dries up on the 8xxx series prices will only go up.

This will be the last Intel x86 chip sold for ~$40 (in trays of 1,000) within that power envelope direct to ODMs.

It's not some Rockchip or Allwinner SoC that costs $12.

 

[twentytwo22]

Cheapest z8700 you can get is the BeeLink for $200~ and that doesn't have a screen/battery/buttons/design/keyboard

I wouldn't anticipate ever finding the GPDwin for less than $300. Also considering that Intel cancelled the Atom line, whenever stock dries up on the 8xxx series prices will only go up.

This will be the last Intel x86 chip sold for ~$40 (in trays of 1,000) within that power envelope direct to ODMs.

It's not some Rockchip or Allwinner SoC that costs $12.

Yeah, the biggest thing is the unfortunate discontinuation of the Atom line. Unless something else comes along from Intel in the future, this device won't go down in price and will remain best in class for what it is for a while.

 

[Phawx]

Money shot of the hole for the fan and grounding for the heatsink when touching the motherboard.

Also that is WAY too much thermal grease. Going to open mine up after doing some tests to see if I can't improve the cooling.

 

[Maximo]

Money shot of the hole for the fan and grounding for the heatsink when touching the motherboard.

Also that is WAY too much thermal grease. Going to open mine up after doing some tests to see if I can't improve the cooling.

Quality will most likely be better for english release doubt they want to deal with warranty and sending unit back issues.

 

[f@luS]

Can't wait for mine. Remote play on this thing at native 720p60 will be amazing

 

[Phawx]

Quality will most likely be better for english release doubt they want to deal with warranty and sending unit back issues.

Disagree. I don't think GPD is going to take time to fix whatever issues came up with JD.com backers. They'll plow through all of the Indiegogo orders at the same pace as JD.com backers.

Right now the people that have cited issues are around 1% of the amount of GPDWins that have gone out. Most of the problems were just due to not even visually inspecting them.

GPD are not going to test each one. Resellers will, but GPD are personally not going to check 2000+ GPDwin and then reload Win10 on it after checking. The most that will happen is a visual inspection before it gets placed in a box.

 

[Maximo]

Supposedly those Ps Vita Thumb Stick Covers can be used on the GPD Win.
http://post.smzdm.com/p/490701/pic_35/

 

[twentytwo22]

Disagree. I don't think GPD is going to take time to fix whatever issues came up with JD.com backers. They'll plow through all of the Indiegogo orders at the same pace as JD.com backers.

Right now the people that have cited issues are around 1% of the amount of GPDWins that have gone out. Most of the problems were just due to not even visually inspecting them.

GPD are not going to test each one. Resellers will, but GPD are personally not going to check 2000+ GPDwin and then reload Win10 on it after checking. The most that will happen is a visual inspection before it gets placed in a box.

Kendy explicitly stated that one of the reasons they shipped to JD first was to get issues out of the way before they ship overseas, because the overseas RMA process is a lot more expensive/time consuming.

I'm not saying everything will be fixed, but they will definitely take things into consideration before the IndieGogo/further batches. That was one of two main points in shipping to JD first.

 

[Phawx]

Kendy explicitly stated that one of the reasons they shipped to JD first was to get issues out of the way before they ship overseas, because the overseas RMA process is a lot more expensive/time consuming.

I'm not saying everything will be fixed, but they will definitely take things into consideration before the IndieGogo/further batches. That was one of two main points in shipping to JD first.

Kendy says lots of things. Whenever Kendy uses qualifiers like "maybe" "we will try" that generally means (at least to me with as many direct messages I've had with her) it's not going to happen.

Let's just say that GPD will look at problems from jd.com backers and then fix those for other backers/resellers. More or less they should finish JD.com backers by the end of September. If they don't the first week of Oct is a holiday, so nothing will be done for that entire week. Which means they'd either need to finish JD.com orders by the second week of Oct or will be starting on IndieGoGo orders.

Logistically, we are already in the second week of Oct. If GPD starts production for Indiegogo backers in the second week of October, when exactly did they take the time to fix problems from JD.com backers?

Right now they are spending every working second they have in assembling units. GPD won't even see the brunt of potential problems until all JD.com backers are satisfied. Are they just going to wait two-three weeks waiting for feedback *and then* spend the time fixing anything that is wrong?

My gut says they aren't even paying attention to problems. They are just taking every part they have and putting them in place.

Additionally, Evil Dragon has already mentioned that GPD XD seemingly has slightly different parts per machine, which means they source parts from different places. Which means problems that wouldn't even be apparent for JD.com backers might only be apparent for Indiegogo backers.

I just don't buy it. Unless things are heavily delayed for all other backers and resellers, there just isn't any time to properly *fix* any reported problems.

 

[CazTGG]

Cross-posting this from the PC thread

EDIT: NEW PLAN

I was looking into modding one of the NUC models, specifically the Skull Canyon or the Maingear Spark (which doesn't seem to be sold anymore) to make my own protable PC, though finding a recommended 19v battery to supply the necessary power has yielded few results that aren't justpower banks (which i'm not sure if it could be modded to work as a battery or to indicate how much or little power is left). Any help would be appreciated

 

[twentytwo22]

Kendy says lots of things. Whenever Kendy uses qualifiers like "maybe" "we will try" that generally means (at least to me with as many direct messages I've had with her) it's not going to happen.

Let's just say that GPD will look at problems from jd.com backers and then fix those for other backers/resellers. More or less they should finish JD.com backers by the end of September. If they don't the first week of Oct is a holiday, so nothing will be done for that entire week. Which means they'd either need to finish JD.com orders by the second week of Oct or will be starting on IndieGoGo orders.

Logistically, we are already in the second week of Oct. If GPD starts production for Indiegogo backers in the second week of October, when exactly did they take the time to fix problems from JD.com backers?

Right now they are spending every working second they have in assembling units. GPD won't even see the brunt of potential problems until all JD.com backers are satisfied. Are they just going to wait two-three weeks waiting for feedback *and then* spend the time fixing anything that is wrong?

My gut says they aren't even paying attention to problems. They are just taking every part they have and putting them in place.

Additionally, Evil Dragon has already mentioned that GPD XD seemingly has slightly different parts per machine, which means they source parts from different places. Which means problems that wouldn't even be apparent for JD.com backers might only be apparent for Indiegogo backers.

I just don't buy it. Unless things are heavily delayed for all other backers and resellers, there just isn't any time to properly *fix* any reported problems.

That's fine, but there is no "maybe" or "we will try" about the following:

"There is always some unexpected small problems in the first batch of products.and the international repair action is really hard to operate.So we think it is better to ship the second batch products to your all."

You are right that it doesn't leave much time for any major issues. If a major issue showed up, I bet it would result in a delay. But a lot of issues will be discovered quickly (as we've already seen with the first batch of JD units). Different screws, more glue behind the screen, whatever. These are simple fixes that won't take them much time to understand and adapt to.

 

[Phawx]

That's fine, but there is no "maybe" or "we will try" about the following:

"There is always some unexpected small problems in the first batch of products.and the international repair action is really hard to operate.So we think it is better to ship the second batch products to your all."

You are right that it doesn't leave much time for any major issues. If a major issue showed up, I bet it would result in a delay. But a lot of issues will be discovered quickly (as we've already seen with the first batch of JD units). Different screws, more glue behind the screen, whatever. These are simple fixes that won't take them much time to understand and adapt to.

Unfortunately my supply of benefit-of-doubt for GPD has been entirely spent XD

As is already apparent, I'm not optimistic haha

 

[Night.Ninja]

could i play killer instinct on this ?

 

[Phawx]

could i play killer instinct on this ?

GameLive already has this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kK578WVByjE

The results aren't that great. Having said that, we don't know how aggressive he is getting with the settings

Edit:

Ooooooo Man! I may have a lead on getting myself an 8750 model. Here's hoping

 

[MicroByter]

GameLive already has this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kK578WVByjE

The results aren't that great. Having said that, we don't know how aggressive he is getting with the settings

Edit:

Ooooooo Man! I may have a lead on getting myself an 8750 model. Here's hoping

I wish they would show what res and settings they are using, it looks like it's default settings and running like crap.

I would think you could drop the resolution to something like 800x600 and turn everything down to low. I have to do that on my Intel I5+4400 Laptop and things everything runs better. I bet with the smaller screen, the graphics wouldn't be too bad if you did this.

Here's hoping your lead follows through and you get one!

 

[Roto Prime]

Will this be on Amazon or something, is this thingy truly out, I WANT ONE ;____;

 

[purseowner]

It's a shame Dingoonity's down - can't keep up with the latest developments in the 8700 or 8750 saga.

Is there anywhere else the device is being discussed in English besides there and GAF?

 

[Maximo]

It's a shame Dingoonity's down - can't keep up with the latest developments in the 8700 or 8750 saga.

Is there anywhere else the device is being discussed in English besides there and GAF?

Nah the Reddit is essentially dead, here and Ding are really the only places.

 

[broncobuster]

With some Chinese backers getting their units, is there an idea of what's preinstalled on the device? I'm considering doing a fresh install of W10 on mine, don't want anything busted in the process.

 

[Phawx]

With some Chinese backers getting their units, is there an idea of what's preinstalled on the device? I'm considering doing a fresh install of W10 on mine, don't want anything busted in the process.

Pretty sure it's bare.

It's going to be interesting to see what the scene does with this machine. Basically creating a base image of Windows 10 with all tweaks to be super streamlined. Lots of GPedits, services at a minimum, dism purges.

I got my Baytrail tablet on Windows 10 to use 490MBs RAM on fresh boot and the system footprint was around 7GB~ with 1GB pagefile (hibernation file was gone tho). (I still wanted to have access to Windows Store and UWA, so probably could go further but I wanted a fully working machine.) Of course, it was a 32bit system, so 64-bit should be a bit larger in footprint.

Still it'll be fun to see how much we can gut out of Windows 10 and make a lean image.

Fun times.

 

[cybropm]

Me every day now on dingoonity, indiegogo, baidu and youku.... need more input from all the units out there... keep refreshing everything wondering why not more videos etc out in the wild yet. Beyond excited to see what everyone in the community is able to do with this thing.

 

[Hastati]

Pretty sure it's bare.

It's going to be interesting to see what the scene does with this machine. Basically creating a base image of Windows 10 with all tweaks to be super streamlined. Lots of GPedits, services at a minimum, dism purges.

I got my Baytrail tablet on Windows 10 to use 490MBs RAM on fresh boot and the system footprint was around 7GB~ with 1GB pagefile (hibernation file was gone tho). (I still wanted to have access to Windows Store and UWA, so probably could go further but I wanted a fully working machine.) Of course, it was a 32bit system, so 64-bit should be a bit larger in footprint.

Still it'll be fun to see how much we can gut out of Windows 10 and make a lean image.

Fun times.

Curious, is this something that can be done without any experience? Sounds like something it would benefit from.

 

[broncobuster]

Pretty sure it's bare.

It's going to be interesting to see what the scene does with this machine. Basically creating a base image of Windows 10 with all tweaks to be super streamlined. Lots of GPedits, services at a minimum, dism purges.

I got my Baytrail tablet on Windows 10 to use 490MBs RAM on fresh boot and the system footprint was around 7GB~ with 1GB pagefile (hibernation file was gone tho). (I still wanted to have access to Windows Store and UWA, so probably could go further but I wanted a fully working machine.) Of course, it was a 32bit system, so 64-bit should be a bit larger in footprint.

Still it'll be fun to see how much we can gut out of Windows 10 and make a lean image.

Fun times.

I'm looking forward to seeing what the community can get out of the thing. It'll be my first real experience with W10, so learning all the ins and outs on a 5.5" device will be interesting.

 

[DrROBschiz]

Pretty sure it's bare.

It's going to be interesting to see what the scene does with this machine. Basically creating a base image of Windows 10 with all tweaks to be super streamlined. Lots of GPedits, services at a minimum, dism purges.

I got my Baytrail tablet on Windows 10 to use 490MBs RAM on fresh boot and the system footprint was around 7GB~ with 1GB pagefile (hibernation file was gone tho). (I still wanted to have access to Windows Store and UWA, so probably could go further but I wanted a fully working machine.) Of course, it was a 32bit system, so 64-bit should be a bit larger in footprint.

Still it'll be fun to see how much we can gut out of Windows 10 and make a lean image.

Fun times.

Whoa nice

Feel free to share that trimmed down Windows 10 install if you dont mind

I want to maximize the potential of this machine when I finally get it

 

[GhostTrick]

Lot of videos poped on Youku and Baidu !
Tales of Zestiria:
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTczNjg2MDkwMA==.html?from=s1.8-1-1.2&spm=0.0.0.0.peTDQW

Fire Emblem Radiant Dawn (fullspeed Wii emulation):
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTczNjgwMjg3Mg==.html?from=s1.8-1-1.2&spm=0.0.0.0.peTDQW

Castlevania Lords of Shadow:
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTczNjgyMjQ3Mg==.html?from=s1.8-1-1.2&spm=0.0.0.0.peTDQW

Dragon Ball Xenoverse:
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTczNTE3ODI5Mg==.html?from=s1.8-1-1.2&spm=0.0.0.0.uJIP1B

 

[f@luS]

Oh my. I hope xenoverse 2 will be as playable. Can't wait

 

[CazTGG]

Lot of videos poped on Youku and Baidu !
Tales of Zestiria:
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTczNjg2MDkwMA==.html?from=s1.8-1-1.2&spm=0.0.0.0.peTDQW

Fire Emblem Radiant Dawn (fullspeed Wii emulation):
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTczNjgwMjg3Mg==.html?from=s1.8-1-1.2&spm=0.0.0.0.peTDQW

Castlevania Lords of Shadow:
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTczNjgyMjQ3Mg==.html?from=s1.8-1-1.2&spm=0.0.0.0.peTDQW

Dragon Ball Xenoverse:
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTczNTE3ODI5Mg==.html?from=s1.8-1-1.2&spm=0.0.0.0.uJIP1B

Yikes, that Radiant Dawn performance is really rough. Not that you need stellar frames for a tactical RPG but still that doesn't bode well for Wii emulation when one of its less technically impressive titles causes the framerate to drop down like a rock.

 

[Maximo]

It has been confirmed that all JD.com backers have now had their GPD WIN shipped.

"GPDWIN pocket laptop users crowdfunding good. Yesterday all crowdfunding machines, including the winning users have been issued, please be kept informed!"

Im assuming a late October Shipping then as its the Chinese Holidays 2-7 then supposedly wanting to take a week or two to fix issues or take extra care with the IndieGoGo batch. Still no confirmation if we are getting the 8750 or 8700.

 

[GhostTrick]

It has been confirmed that all JD.com backers have now had their GPD WIN shipped.

"GPDWIN pocket laptop users crowdfunding good. Yesterday all crowdfunding machines, including the winning users have been issued, please be kept informed!"

Im assuming a late October Shipping then as its the Chinese Holidays 2-7 then supposedly wanting to take a week or two to fix issues or take extra care with the IndieGoGo batch.

Good. I didn't ordered from IndieGoGo, but still, it means it's happening soon enough.

 

[DrROBschiz]

Progress!

Inching ever closer to getting ours guys!

 

[GhostTrick]

Progress!

Inching ever closer to getting ours guys!

So many games I want to play on this beauty.

 

[Phawx]

It has been confirmed that all JD.com backers have now had their GPD WIN shipped.

"GPDWIN pocket laptop users crowdfunding good. Yesterday all crowdfunding machines, including the winning users have been issued, please be kept informed!"

Im assuming a late October Shipping then as its the Chinese Holidays 2-7 then supposedly wanting to take a week or two to fix issues or take extra care with the IndieGoGo batch. Still no confirmation if we are getting the 8750 or 8700.

All of the promotional material has been updated to say 8700:

https://item.jd.com/10645233657.html

JD.com backers are the only ones getting 8750. So we lost about 6.5% CPU perf.

Edit: Actually that's not fair to GPD, I paid for an 8500 and I'm getting the 8700. Still kinda suckeroo that JD.com backers paid in August and got the best unit and paid least, haha.

 

[GhostTrick]

All of the promotional material has been updated to say 8700:

https://item.jd.com/10645233657.html

JD.com backers are the only ones getting 8750. So we lost about 6.5% CPU perf.

Edit: Actually that's not fair to GPD, I paid for an 8500 and I'm getting the 8700. Still kinda suckeroo that JD.com backers paid in August and got the best unit and paid least, haha.

Well, think of it the other way: We gained battery life
As for the 8750, I'm not entirely convinced it can manage to push this higher clock. Sure it performs better in benchmarks, but during real time gaming, I doubt it can manage to keep these clocks.
Now sure it would've been better to get it... But it could've also been worse. We could've ended with the 8500... Which is like 10% slower for the CPU for the normal clocks. And 25-30% slower for the GPU, because of having 12EU instead of 16.



To know the difference, we'd need benchmarks of the 8750 and the 8700, ran on the GPD and not the Surface 3 which suffers from thermal throttling.

 

[brainpann]

Decided to check my geekbuying.com order status and lo and behold, it say's its' shipping in 11 days. I wonder if it will be an 8750 or an 8700 that comes with it?

 

[purseowner]

Decided to check my geekbuying.com order status and lo and behold, it say's its' shipping in 11 days. I wonder if it will be an 8750 or an 8700 that comes with it?

Interesting - I wonder if we should expect a similar ETA for Indiegogo.

 

[DrROBschiz]

Keep pumping those units out!
Cant wait to get mine regardless

 

[Phawx]

Well, think of it the other way: We gained battery life
As for the 8750, I'm not entirely convinced it can manage to push this higher clock. Sure it performs better in benchmarks, but during real time gaming, I doubt it can manage to keep these clocks.
Now sure it would've been better to get it... But it could've also been worse. We could've ended with the 8500... Which is like 10% slower for the CPU for the normal clocks. And 25-30% slower for the GPU, because of having 12EU instead of 16.

Yea, for sure I prefer having the 8700 over the 8500. And I'm also thankful that they upgraded us without an extra cost. Still tho XD

To know the difference, we'd need benchmarks of the 8750 and the 8700, ran on the GPD and not the Surface 3 which suffers from thermal throttling.

Decided to check my geekbuying.com order status and lo and behold, it say's its' shipping in 11 days. I wonder if it will be an 8750 or an 8700 that comes with it?

DinoDirect confirmed they are getting theirs on Oct 20th.

It'll be hilarious if people who bought from resellers get their GPDwin before me. (I was one of the first to back on IGG)