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[Slurpy2k20]

So first it was "why can't you give me an example" now it's "No your example is stupid, you're stupid".

Yeah this is going nowhere and I'm sorry people are being so mean in a thread on an internet forum to a company that makes billions upon billions of dollars. Truly I weep for the poor souls at Apple that I'm critical of a design change because it negatively impacts me if I were to buy one.

Yeah, as I thought, you don't have any rational response to my post. Your scenario is absurd, you know it and everyone knows it, yet it's the one you choose to use to bash Apple's decision. I don't give a fuck how many billions Apple makes, I'm discussing something specific. Whether they make $10 or a billion is irrelevant, but well done bringing in such irrelevant garbage because you have yet to answer how this inconveniences you at all, beside your fake and unrealistic scenario. BUT BUT BUT WHAT IF I NEED TO KEEP MY PHONE CONNECTED TO A CHARGER ALL DAY WHILE HAVING HEADPHONES PLUGGED IN It is not an "example". It's a fake scenario. So, my question to you, is why are you inventing fake scenarios to bash Apple? Is your irrational hatred of the company that high?

 

[kewlmyc]

I love threads where nearly 100% of the first 50 posts are people shitting all over Apple's overpriced badly designed idiot crap. Every time I see an announcement for new Apple products, all I see are hassles to using hardware and programs that are easily used on other systems and cost less money.

So, a genuine question here: Why is Apple still in business?

Brand.

It allows Apple to do whatever they want because people are going to still buy it. Apple is the "cool" company. Remove "USB"? Eh don't need it, but if you do, you'll need to get one of our branded adapters. Remove "3.5 mm jack"? This common piece of hardware that is used in audio set ups EVERYWHERE is obsolete because we said so. Here's a branded adapter though.

Even this outrage means nothing and when it's time to get a new phone, I'll probably get one as well because my job pays for it and I have too much money invested into iTunes movies to switch to Android now.

 

[jay]

You're getting way too worked up that people are being critical of a product from a company you neither work for nor will likely ever work for.

You just don't understand what Apple means to him.

 

[Frozenprince]

Yeah, as I thought, you don't have any rational response to my post. Your scenario is absurd, you know it and everyone knows it, yet it's the one you choose to use to bash Apple's decision. I don't give a fuck how many billions Apple makes, I'm discussing something specific. Whether they make $10 or a billion is irrelevant, but well done bringing in such irrelevant garbage because you have yet to answer how this inconveniences you at all, beside your fake and unrealistic scenario. BUT BUT BUT WHAT IF I NEED TO KEEP MY PHONE CONNECTED TO A CHARGER ALL DAY WHILE HAVING HEADPHONES PLUGGED IN It is not an "example". It's a fake scenario. So, my question to you, is why are you inventing fake scenarios to bash Apple? Is your irrational hatred of the company that high?

I'm not using a fake scenario? Like, people in this thread have given the EXACT same scenario. It's not hard to grasp.

You seriously need to chill out.

I take care of my son all day, that requires me to have my phone with me, this requires that it eats charge. So, you know, when I lie down to relax and watch something or listen to something, I charge and listen, gasp, at the same time.

It's literally that simple.

 

[The Real Abed]

Hell. If I had one of those MacBooks I'd get that hub myself. As long as it lets me charge the computer while also letting me use a few devices. But I get the point. The MacBook really should have had two pets. One on each side. Both with the ability to charge. Then there'd be no problem really. Except for the adapter requirement of course which is what the hub is for.

 

[demon]

So you have your headphones plugged in, and charge your phone simultaneously, 24 hrs a day? You can't, oh I don't know, find a tiny window in the day to charge your phone without headphones in your ears? The iPhone 7 should have great battery life, it shouldn't need to be stuck in a charger most of the day. If you start the morning with it charged, in extreme situations you should need at most to stick charge it for 1/2 hr tops at any other point during the day, if at all.

So sorry, I don't buy your predicament. These use-cases and scenarios seem absurd and ridiculous, cobbled together only to bash Apple, and not something that normal human beings would have an issue with. It's not about liking or not liking. It's about seeing if there's any real merit to the fake outrage people are displaying, and their fake reasons for the outrage. In all probability this change will have a near zero effect on your life.

I have found myself in many situations in which I wanted to use the headphone jack while simultaneously charging my phone. This may shock you but batteries don't hold their charge forever and a means for recharging it is not always available in every circumstance throughout the day. Using it in a car is a major one for me, especially if I'm using GPS at the same time. I like to play music and use GPS while in a car and be able to leave the car with my phone fully charged. Can't do that without using the headphone jack and charging port simultaneously.

You "don't buy" the predicament? Who gives a shit.

 

[DpadD]

Apple's answer to extracting an additional $39-49 from users.

.

 

[Muppet of a Man]

Thank goodness I've always seen through Apple's cult marketing bullshit and never bought into their ecosystem. It is a clusterfuck of of wallet extraction.

And I want no part of it.

 

[Frozenprince]

I don't even hate Apple like WTF man. I hate the weird ass culture of fans and fanboyism their shit produces, but that's about it.

 

[Kinyou]

Fixing a problem they created, bravo

 

[mrkgoo]

Yeah, as I thought, you don't have any rational response to my post. Your scenario is absurd, you know it and everyone knows it, yet it's the one you choose to use to bash Apple's decision. I don't give a fuck how many billions Apple makes, I'm discussing something specific. Whether they make $10 or a billion is irrelevant, but well done bringing in such irrelevant garbage because you have yet to answer how this inconveniences you at all, beside your fake and unrealistic scenario. BUT BUT BUT WHAT IF I NEED TO KEEP MY PHONE CONNECTED TO A CHARGER ALL DAY WHILE HAVING HEADPHONES PLUGGED IN It is not an "example". It's a fake scenario. So, my question to you, is why are you inventing fake scenarios to bash Apple? Is your irrational hatred of the company that high?

Here's actually what happens in real life when people find they can no longer do something they sued to be able to - they just find a workaround. Sure it's inconvenient, but people deal with it. Like I said, I DO charge and use headphones. I have to, because at the end of the day, I have low charge and I want to watch some netflix in bed.

But here's will likely happen if I get an iPhone 7b and my usage has me needing to do that at the end of the day....I just simple charge my phone a bit earlier before I go to bed to give me enough charge to do it. Does it suck I have to do that? Yeah, maybe a little. Not going to kill me though.

 

[DpadD]

Yeah, as I thought, you don't have any rational response to my post. Your scenario is absurd, you know it and everyone knows it, yet it's the one you choose to use to bash Apple's decision. I don't give a fuck how many billions Apple makes, I'm discussing something specific. Whether they make $10 or a billion is irrelevant, but well done bringing in such irrelevant garbage because you have yet to answer how this inconveniences you at all, beside your fake and unrealistic scenario. BUT BUT BUT WHAT IF I NEED TO KEEP MY PHONE CONNECTED TO A CHARGER ALL DAY WHILE HAVING HEADPHONES PLUGGED IN It is not an "example". It's a fake scenario. So, my question to you, is why are you inventing fake scenarios to bash Apple? Is your irrational hatred of the company that high?

You are getting angry for a Company right now.

Let that sink in.

You are getting angry on behalf of a corporation that doesn't give a damn about you.

This is anti-consumerism at its worst, and if you don't see that, you're some scary levels of delusional.

 

[Angelus Errare]

Is there an android/OSX equivalent to iMessage?

 

[Frozenprince]

Is there an android/OSX equivalent to iMessage?

I'v found skype MMS and Kik both function essentially the same.

 

[AyaisMUsikWhore]

Is there an android/OSX equivalent to iMessage?

Allo, which was supposed to come this week but not sure what happened. But yeah, that's it.

 

[mrkgoo]

I don't even hate Apple like WTF man. I hate the weird ass culture of fans and fanboyism their shit produces, but that's about it.

Nah, I see you concerns, I am a fanboy, and I will defend apple more often than not (and believe me, it's not just about being blind support). Not sure why exactly.

But I do agree it is NOT an edge case scenario, it's one lots of people do all the time. But I think it's not as big a deal to work around as some people say.

On a day-to-day basis, most people probably don't even know the jack is gone. some will find out when they get it and complain. But they'll work around it, buy either using the adaptor, the headphones it comes with, or change up their routine, or just get a dock.

Customers will mostly just come in and say "dammit the jack is gone, how can I do charge and use these headphones?" and retailers will offer the solutions, and they will choose the one least offensive to them.

Of course it would be lovely if every product solved everyone's use cases, but that's exactly why apple said it's a bold move. They're gambling that the outrage isn't as big a deal to the majority.

 

[Rest]

If you don't know yourself, what you want exactly conclude with your post, what exactly does this say about you telling me to reread your post? That you only want discussions, about how justified products are, based on your own factors, which includes you seeing negative comments on the internet?

Justified? How do you justify a product? I'm not really sure what you're talking about now.
I'll respond to the one part of your post that I think I can reasonably interpret:
I like products which do the things they're designed to do without it being a a hassle. That's the factor which every Apple product I've used that was made within my lifetime has failed to do. As such, I don't like Apple products. However, since Apple continues to make products, people on internet forums continue to make threads about them, and when I look at the new designs they continue to seem like they're a pain in the ass to use. And they continue to cost more than equivalent products from other manufacturers. The fact that they have, for decades, charged more money for products that are not as easy to use as the ones from competitors, all the while claiming that they are better, more intuitive and more user friendly is something I find confounding.

How's that?

 

[AHA-Lambda]

Yep, cause Steve never got rid of any ports. Never. Nope.

PS- I find this line utterly disgusting, and disrespectful. Stop fucking pretend you have a clue of what SJ would or wouldn't want. trust me, the people who have worked with him for decades have a much better clue than you do.

Yeah, as I thought, you don't have any rational response to my post. Your scenario is absurd, you know it and everyone knows it, yet it's the one you choose to use to bash Apple's decision. I don't give a fuck how many billions Apple makes, I'm discussing something specific. Whether they make $10 or a billion is irrelevant, but well done bringing in such irrelevant garbage because you have yet to answer how this inconveniences you at all, beside your fake and unrealistic scenario. BUT BUT BUT WHAT IF I NEED TO KEEP MY PHONE CONNECTED TO A CHARGER ALL DAY WHILE HAVING HEADPHONES PLUGGED IN It is not an "example". It's a fake scenario. So, my question to you, is why are you inventing fake scenarios to bash Apple? Is your irrational hatred of the company that high?

you're taking this shit way too personally. Take a damn chill pill

 

[Michael F. Assbender]

"Just don't buy it" is not a magical shield to shut down conversations about complaints you don't want to hear. I'm already not buying it. Am I automatically not allowed to ever comment on it? Are people who ARE buying it not allowed to ever comment on it because they're buying it?

Consumers have more choices other than "buy" or "not buy". Contrary to what some may wish, consumers can and will criticize decisions they deem poor. If you really can't stand having these conversations you are always free to remove yourself from them.

Complain little and "the market has spoken! X dumb thing Apple did turned out to be a smart thing!"
Complain a lot and it's "y'all haters just wanna manufacture outrage for some reason! Just don't buy it and move on!"

You are willingly refusing to have any scenario in your head where the complaints are listened to and given their proper time of day.

That's a hell of a straw man you built there. Shame you went and attacked it.

I'm not against voicing protest. Knock yourself out. It's the tired memes, the vitriol, the anger, the name calling. It just seems like such a waste of effort. Especially when a decent amount of these comments aren't legitimate anger from possible customers, but are instead just the continued barrage of hate hurled against Apple by the usual suspects.

Don't get it twisted. Anyone is free to hate anything or any other company. Apple isn't above reproach. Just like with any other company, they fuck up and they deserve to hear about it. But concern trolling and some of the rage posts I've been seeing just look silly, IMO. None of this will change Apple's mind. The only thing that will make a difference is going to be if the phone bombs. Which is why I say that those who are so angry about this should speak with their wallets.

But if people want to scream, go for it. I don't have the power or the desire to rob someone of their sound and fury.

 

[Big Brett]

There's people coming to Apple's defense over removing a core function? Lmao what?

It's gotta be the dumbest fucking thing I've ever seen a company do. I constantly charge my phone in the car while playing music through the 3.5mm jack. I cannot understand the rationality.

The saddest part is, preorders will sell out, money will be made, and surely the next iPhone won't even come with an adapter. Apple doesn't give a single shit about their consumers, that much is clear.

Signed, iPhone 6+ user.

I'll just add, whatever. They can do what they want. It has made my decision for my next phone an easy one. I'm not a) using an adapter in my everyday carry, b) ridding of my current headphones which cost me $100+, c) buying blutooth headphones (see b). Android's offerings are fine, and I'm not too tied to the Apple ecosystem so the switch won't be a problem.

 

[Slurpy2k20]

Brand.

It allows Apple to do whatever they want because people are going to still buy it. Apple is the "cool" company. Remove "USB"? Eh don't need it, but if you do, you'll need to get one of our branded adapters. Remove "3.5 mm jack"? This common piece of hardware that is used in audio set ups EVERYWHERE is obsolete because we said so. Here's a branded adapter though.

Even this outrage means nothing and when it's time to get a new phone, I'll probably get one as well because my job pays for it and I have too much money invested into iTunes movies to switch to Android now.

So, "brand" is why the iPhone is the best reviewed phone out there, the iPad is the best reviewed tablet out there, and the Macbook line is the best reviewed laptop out there, all of these products recommended by an overwhelming majority of publications and tech blogs, who do independent testing and have independent opinions? Not to mention that these products have the highest customer sat scores in the industry?

Gotcha. If anything, Apple's brand sets their products under a much stronger microscope, increases expectations, and encourages reviews to be tougher. Yet, they still come out on top. So, enough with this "brand" bullshit. It's not a magical thing that allows them to sell anything in infinite numbers. They have to maintain it every single day, in an ultra-competitive industry. Your "reason" doesn't hold water. Apple's products are insanely successful in spite of these pain points, caused by much needed transitions, because the products are THAT fucking good and have no equal in the rest of the industry.

But sure, all reviewers are brain-washed by "brand". Only the brightest bulbs like you have figured out it's all a sham.

 

[ReAxion]

Apple doesn't give a single shit about their consumers, that much is clear.

What about the customer sat meme.

 

[Broken_Anima]

So you have your headphones plugged in, and charge your phone simultaneously, 24 hrs a day?

What sort of mentality is that? Why does he need to be using the charge port and headphone at the same "24 hours a day" to appreciate and want the ability to be able to in uncommon occurances?

I'll be honest, I've only charged my phone and used the headphone jack on a handful of occasions. Generally when I'm on road trips but I have found myself a few times with <5% battery and wanting to listen to some music in bed.

Just because I don't use it all day every day doesn't mean I'm not glad as fuck I have the ability to when I want to. It's such a spastic argument to say "well, you should of made sure you charged it at some point during the day!" Shit happens mate.

With your rationale, would you of thought "oh damn, shame on me for not having a decent amount of battery life at this specific point in time when I would like to listen to some music on my non-blutooth headphones. Shame on me?"

Should I of gotten out of bed, and listened to music on my PC?

Go outside once and a while, it's pretty good.

 

[Big Brett]

So, "brand" is why the iPhone is the best reviewed phone out there, the iPad is the best reviewed tablet out there, and the Macbook line is the best reviewed laptop out there, all of these products recommended by an overwhelming majority of publications and tech blogs, who do independent testing and have independent opinions? Not to mention that these products have the highest customer sat scores in the industry?

Gotcha. If anything, Apple's brand sets their products under a much stronger microscope, increases expectations, and encourages reviews to be tougher. Yet, they still come out on top. So, enough with this "brand" bullshit. It's not a magical thing that allows them to sell anything in infinite numbers. They have to maintain it every single day, in an ultra-competitive industry. Your "reason" doesn't hold water. Apple's products are insanely successful in spite of these pain points, caused by much needed transitions, because the products are THAT fucking good and have no equal in the rest of the industry.

But sure, all reviewers are brain-washed by "brand". Only the brightest bulbs like you have figured out it's all a sham.

There is no such thing as "best reviewed." It sounds like you don't pay attn to reviews for other brands. There are plenty of other fantastic choices.

 

[AHA-Lambda]

So, "brand" is why the iPhone is the best reviewed phone out there, the iPad is the best reviewed tablet out there, and the Macbook line is the best reviewed laptop out there, all of these products recommended by an overwhelming majority of publications and tech blogs, who do independent testing and have independent opinions? Not to mention that these products have the highest customer sat scores in the industry?

Gotcha. If anything, Apple's brand sets their products under a much stronger microscope, increases expectations, and encourages reviews to be tougher. Yet, they still come out on top. So, enough with this "brand" bullshit. It's not a magical thing that allows them to sell anything in infinite numbers. They have to maintain it every single day, in an ultra-competitive industry. Your "reason" doesn't hold water. Apple's products are insanely successful in spite of these pain points, caused by much needed transitions, because the products are THAT fucking good and have no equal in the rest of the industry.

But sure, all reviewers are brain-washed by "brand". Only the brightest bulbs like you have figured out it's all a sham.

By what metric is each of apple's products the best reviewed? I didn't realise metacritic compiled results now for tech products.
Let's just ignore some other very recent and revered products like the new Galaxy phones or the Nexus lineup
And calling the removal of the 3.5mm jack a "much needed transition" is laughable

 

[Slurpy2k20]

There's people coming to Apple's defense over removing a core function? Lmao what?

It's gotta be the dumbest fucking thing I've ever seen a company do. I constantly charge my phone in the car while playing music through the 3.5mm jack. I cannot understand the rationality.

The saddest part is, preorders will sell out, money will be made, and surely the next iPhone won't even come with an adapter. Apple doesn't give a single shit about their consumers, that much is clear.

Signed, iPhone 6+ user.

Nope, Apple is the only tech company out there that does give a shit about consumers, and about progress. Every other company is too fucking cowardly to move forward- they wait for Apple to make the change, use the opportunity to attack them for a while, then just go ahead and implement the change themselves when its nice and "safe", cause they're too terrified to lose sales. Apple, on the other hand, is willing to lose some sales to move their products, and the entire industry forward. What's "clear" is that you don't get it, and it's laughable that you think that companies include the headphone jack, for example, cause they "care". If it was up to them, we'd still have optical drives, serial ports, flash as a standard, bulky as fuck devices, etc- cause they don't have the guts to remove anything and risk a single annoyed customer.

 

[demon]

By what metric is each of apple's products the best reviewed? I didn't realise metacritic compiled results now for tech products.
And calling the removal of the 3.5mm jack a "much needed transition" is laughable

I was kind of thinking the same thing.

 

[Frozenprince]

Nope, Apple is the only tech company out there that does give a shit about consumers, and about progress. Every other company is too fucking cowardly to move forward- they wait for Apple to make the change, use the opportunity to attack them for a while, then just go ahead and implement the change themselves when its nice and "safe", cause they're too terrified to lose sales. Apple, on the other hand, is willing to lose some sales to move their products, and the entire industry forward. What's "clear" is that you don't get it, and it's laughable that you think that companies include the headphone jack, for example, cause they "care". If it was up to them, we'd still have optical drives, serial ports, flash as a standard, bulky as fuck devices, etc- cause they don't have the guts to remove anything and risk a single annoyed customer.

Are you seriously reading what you're writing right now? You're acting like a fucking tech company gives a shit about anything other than its bottom line. Like they "care" about you.

 

[AHA-Lambda]

Nope, Apple is the only tech company out there that does give a shit about consumers, and about progress. Every other company is too fucking cowardly to move forward- they wait for Apple to make the change, use the opportunity to attack them for a while, then just go ahead and implement the change themselves when its nice and "safe", cause they're too terrified to lose sales. Apple, on the other hand, is willing to lose some sales to move their products, and the entire industry forward. What's "clear" is that you don't get it, and it's laughable that you think that companies include the headphone jack, for example, cause they "care". If it was up to them, we'd still have optical drives, serial ports, flash as a standard, bulky as fuck devices, etc- cause they don't have the guts to remove anything and risk a single annoyed customer.

ok i'm done.

 

[Michael F. Assbender]

So, "brand" is why the iPhone is the best reviewed phone out there, the iPad is the best reviewed tablet out there, and the Macbook line is the best reviewed laptop out there, all of these products recommended by an overwhelming majority of publications and tech blogs, who do independent testing and have independent opinions? Not to mention that these products have the highest customer sat scores in the industry?

Gotcha. If anything, Apple's brand sets their products under a much stronger microscope, increases expectations, and encourages reviews to be tougher. Yet, they still come out on top. So, enough with this "brand" bullshit. It's not a magical thing that allows them to sell anything in infinite numbers. They have to maintain it every single day, in an ultra-competitive industry. Your "reason" doesn't hold water. Apple's products are insanely successful in spite of these pain points, caused by much needed transitions, because the products are THAT fucking good and have no equal in the rest of the industry.

But sure, all reviewers are brain-washed by "brand". Only the brightest bulbs like you have figured out it's all a sham.

Friend, I'm with you on a lot of what you're saying with regard to the headphones. But I think you might be taking some of the hate Apple is getting personally.

Deep breaths, mate. We're all friends here.

 

[Slurpy2k20]

There is no such thing as "best reviewed." It sounds like you don't pay attn to reviews for other brands. There are plenty of other fantastic choices.

I never said there wasn't great choices. I'm into technology and read reviews for most major products from all companies. I was arguing against his "Apple can spit out whatever garbage it wants and everyone will lap it up" meme, by pointing out that in general all Apple products have excellent reviews across the board. So, do those things not contradict? Can Apple's products REALLY be garbage yet get recommendations and overwhelmingly solid reviews? Does that not contradict the "its all about the brand" argument? I don't get it, I'm trying to be rational here. Everyone seems to be insane and just spitting out random shit that has no empirical basis in any kind of fact.

 

[Big Brett]

Nope, Apple is the only tech company out there that does give a shit about consumers, and about progress. Every other company is too fucking cowardly to move forward- they wait for Apple to make the change, use the opportunity to attack them for a while, then just go ahead and implement the change themselves when its nice and "safe", cause they're too terrified to lose sales. Apple, on the other hand, is willing to lose some sales to move their products, and the entire industry forward. What's "clear" is that you don't get it, and it's laughable that you think that companies include the headphone jack, for example, cause they "care". If it was up to them, we'd still have optical drives, serial ports, flash as a standard, bulky as fuck devices, etc- cause they don't have the guts to remove anything and risk a single annoyed customer.

I never said there wasn't great choices. I'm into technology and read reviews for most major products from all companies. I was arguing against his "Apple can spit out whatever garbage it wants and everyone will lap it up" meme, by pointing out that in general all Apple products have excellent reviews across the board. So, do those things not contradict? Can Apple's products REALLY be garbage yet get recommendations and overwhelmingly solid reviews? Does that not contradict the "its all about the brand" argument? I don't get it, I'm trying to be rational here. Everyone seems to be insane and just spitting out random shit that has no empirical basis in any kind of fact.

I don't think people are saying they are garbage products, but their business model is, in a word, garbage. Especially this headphone debacle. Relax!

 

[mrkgoo]

Nope, Apple is the only tech company out there that does give a shit about consumers, and about progress. Every other company is too fucking cowardly to move forward- they wait for Apple to make the change, use the opportunity to attack them for a while, then just go ahead and implement the change themselves when its nice and "safe", cause they're too terrified to lose sales. Apple, on the other hand, is willing to lose some sales to move their products, and the entire industry forward. What's "clear" is that you don't get it, and it's laughable that you think that companies include the headphone jack, for example, cause they "care". If it was up to them, we'd still have optical drives, serial ports, flash as a standard, bulky as fuck devices, etc- cause they don't have the guts to remove anything and risk a single annoyed customer.

To be fair, you do come off as bit antagonising to the point it must be deliberate to get a response...

I mean people can believe what they want, and I'm not necessarily disagreeing, but really no-one knows what apple's real intents are. I don't think it's ultimately just about money-grabbing, as apple have a roadmap and vision, but I don't think it's all just about that either. It's probably a bit of everything.

 

[Slurpy2k20]

Are you seriously reading what you're writing right now? You're acting like a fucking tech company gives a shit about anything other than its bottom line. Like they "care" about you.

Err, you don't think caring about making great products, and caring about bottom line, is in any way connected? Apple's philosophy has never changed. It has always taken a long term view on things. Also, he was stating that Apple "doesn't give a shit" about its consumers, so implying that other companies do. I was pointing out that if ANY company cares, it's Apple, because they know that their bottom line and brand is directly connected to customer satisfaction.

 

[AHA-Lambda]

Actually if Apple is so progressive and forward thinking can we mention how Apple is lagging behind in other features like how they've only now just gotten water resistance?
Or how they took forever to make a big screen phone, even though Jobs said he hated them but they did it anyway?
And also how they hated styluses but jumped on that too?
Or how the quality of their screens are inferior to most android flagships?
Or how they monopolise the prices of the internal storage?
Or don't offer microSD support?

Or would that just cause too much upset feelings around here cause Apple really just cares deeply about us all as a people?

 

[Rest]

ok i'm done.

Ah, I've never seen this one before. I like it, because if you're not looking closely it still looks like Charlton Heston.

 

[Flo_Evans]

Honestly I think I've used the headphone jack on my 6 maybe a dozen times but it still pisses me off they removed it.

Hell I used to have an airport going to all my stereos in the house so I could play music wirelessly from anywhere but it was too flakey so I went back to good old aux Jack. Usually just use an iPad as the music player so I can walk around with my phone.

I wonder if Apple tracked headphone port usage. Sorry guys I am part of the problem.

My current car can even charge and get music from the built in USB port (or Bluetooth if I don't want to take it out of my pocket) I don't jog or really use headphones all that much except when filming or editing.

It will be pretty interesting to see if there is any real pushback from this or if they sell like iPhones traditionally do. My job pays for my phone but i don't even want one.

 

[DpadD]

Err, you don't think caring about making great products, and caring about bottom line, is in any way connected? Apple's philosophy has never changed. It has always taken a long term view on things. Also, he was stating that Apple "doesn't give a shit" about its consumers, so implying that other companies do. I was pointing out that if ANY company cares, it's Apple, because they know that their bottom line and brand is directly connected to customer satisfaction.

Hey man, I love Apple products. I could gush about them all day. I've invested a lot into the Apple ecosystem.

I will not support them with this move because it is so transparently gross and anti-consumer.

I hope one day you'll look back at these comments you made and shake your head in disbelief. The ardent and unwavering support you show towards Apple is pretty fucking weird, man.

It's like you walked straight out of a Dystopian novel of some sorts.

 

[gruenel]

Friend, I'm with you on a lot of what you're saying with regard to the headphones. But I think you might be taking some of the hate Apple is getting personally.

Deep breaths, mate. We're all friends here.

I mean, Apple users are literally being called dumb idiots/sheep/whatever on a regular basis here, so I can see why someone would take it personally.

 

[smoothj]

Some company is going to make a case that adds the jack. They will make millions.... *puts pinky by mouth* billions!

 

[Uno Venova]

I mean, Apple users are literally being called dumb idiots/sheep/whatever on a regular basis here, so I can see why someone would take it personally.

Now I really don't think anyone should be going to bat that hard for any company. But it's funny how the defense of the companies are demonized, but the regular insults thrown at their consumers are fair game.

 

[Rushersauce]

So, "brand" is why the iPhone is the best reviewed phone out there, the iPad is the best reviewed tablet out there, and the Macbook line is the best reviewed laptop out there, all of these products recommended by an overwhelming majority of publications and tech blogs, who do independent testing and have independent opinions? Not to mention that these products have the highest customer sat scores in the industry?

Gotcha. If anything, Apple's brand sets their products under a much stronger microscope, increases expectations, and encourages reviews to be tougher. Yet, they still come out on top. So, enough with this "brand" bullshit. It's not a magical thing that allows them to sell anything in infinite numbers. They have to maintain it every single day, in an ultra-competitive industry. Your "reason" doesn't hold water. Apple's products are insanely successful in spite of these pain points, caused by much needed transitions, because the products are THAT fucking good and have no equal in the rest of the industry.

But sure, all reviewers are brain-washed by "brand". Only the brightest bulbs like you have figured out it's all a sham.

I knew the term 'zealot' was used when talked about Apple fans, and never thought it was the case. Well, you've proved me wrong.

 

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[Michael F. Assbender]

Hey man, I love Apple products. I could gush about them all day. I've invested a lot into the Apple ecosystem.

I will not support them with this move because it is so transparently gross and anti-consumer.

I hope one day you'll look back at these comments you made and shake your head in disbelief. The ardent and unwavering support you show towards Apple is pretty fucking weird, man.

It's like you walked straight out of a Dystopian novel of some sorts.

In my opinion, this isn't anti-consumer so much as it's simply an annoyance.

Anti-consumer would be "Lightning only for headphones and we didn't include Lightning headphones in the box," or "Bluetooth only for headphones! You're all fucked!" or "No dongle for you!"

As it stands, yes, you can't use your old headphones without a dongle. But they gave you a dongle. So you're set. They also gave you lightning headphones. So you're set. They also are releasing new wireless headphones that nobody is forced to buy but are there if you want them.

This change basically only affects two groups: Those select few who absolutely must charge their phone while listening to music and absolutely cannot use wireless headphones, and people with an irrational hatred of tiny dongles.

They dropped the 33mm jack. It's not coming back in this phone, and probably never again in an Apple phone. They claim they needed the space for other shit. Far be it for me to tell them they're trying to fuck me over when they've provided other options, a couple of which come with the phone.

Can the decision be annoying? Sure, to some. But I don't see it as anti-consumer when they're damn near holding people's hands to help with the transition.

I mean, Apple users are literally being called dumb idiots/sheep/whatever on a regular basis here, so I can see why someone would take it personally.

Of course. But a sage mod once told me that it's better to report the offenders than get myself in trouble.

Personally, I get more annoyed by the stuff that has nothing to do with the subject at hand and is just a drive-by shitpost.

Like this here:

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[FreshCakes]

If headphone jacks are ancient, why the fuck are they still supporting it?

This strategy isn't going to work if they're still catering to people who support it. Go big or go home.

 

[Michael F. Assbender]

If headphone jacks are ancient, why the fuck are they still supporting it?

This strategy isn't going to work if they're still catering to people who support it. Go big or go home.

People are throwing absolute fits over this transition with the dongle being included. If they'd left it out of the box, the Internet would explode from all the rage.

Besides, the removal of the ancient tech was to make way for newer tech. This is the transition period. I'd stake money on the idea that the next iPhone doesn't include a dongle.

 

[mrkgoo]

People are throwing absolute fits over this transition with the dongle being included. If they'd left it out of the box, the Internet would explode from all the rage.

Besides, the removal of the ancient tech was to make way for newer tech. This is the transition period. I'd stake money on the idea that the next iPhone doesn't include a dongle.

Pretty much this.

From some reports, next year's phone is going to be a large revision. New screen tech, design, etc. Rather than make the story about no jack then, they'll do it now.

And as I mentioned before most people will find it annoying to some degree, but they will figure a workaround, be it one that is supplied in box or some other way, such as behaviour (managing their charging differently). People LOVE to moan, but usually they figure something out.

I mean, sure it sucks that you have to think about it, but it happens. There are so many inelegant solutions to all sorts of problems regarding tech, and people search out solutions all the time and live through any limitations.

How big a limitation the removal of the jack from tehdevice itself is for the majority as a whole remains to be seen. I don't think Apple are totally dumb though, so I'd wager it's not a huge deal to most. It will be to some of course, and sales projections from Apple are probably being adjusted accordingly - they've already declined to give opening weekend sales, and forecasts for the device are going to be lower, but it won't be JUST because of the jack. people expected an all new-design, but that's not what happened this time around.

 

[heliosRAzi]

People are throwing absolute fits over this transition with the dongle being included. If they'd left it out of the box, the Internet would explode from all the rage.

Besides, the removal of the ancient tech was to make way for newer tech. This is the transition period. I'd stake money on the idea that the next iPhone doesn't include a dongle.

People have a problem with the dongle because it'll most likely get lost/damaged and in order to get it replaced, they'll have to pay $30+ for it.

 

[giga]

People have a problem with the dongle because it'll most likely get lost/damaged and in order to get it replaced, they'll have to pay $30+ for it.

It's $9.

 

[kewlmyc]

So, "brand" is why the iPhone is the best reviewed phone out there, the iPad is the best reviewed tablet out there, and the Macbook line is the best reviewed laptop out there, all of these products recommended by an overwhelming majority of publications and tech blogs, who do independent testing and have independent opinions? Not to mention that these products have the highest customer sat scores in the industry?

Gotcha. If anything, Apple's brand sets their products under a much stronger microscope, increases expectations, and encourages reviews to be tougher. Yet, they still come out on top. So, enough with this "brand" bullshit. It's not a magical thing that allows them to sell anything in infinite numbers. They have to maintain it every single day, in an ultra-competitive industry. Your "reason" doesn't hold water. Apple's products are insanely successful in spite of these pain points, caused by much needed transitions, because the products are THAT fucking good and have no equal in the rest of the industry.

But sure, all reviewers are brain-washed by "brand". Only the brightest bulbs like you have figured out it's all a sham.

1. Why are you so freaking hostile? There are ways to make a point without being an asshole about it.

2. Yes, I do believe the Apple brand does allow them to get away with stuff other companies wouldn't. If say Panasonic were to remove something universally accepted like USB slots and 3.5 mm jacks, they would be completely laughed at. Apple can get away with it due to their brand. Not sure why you're treating brand like a negative word. iPhones in particular have been the go to phone for years so Apple can do things that other phone companies cannot get away with it. That's the iPhone and Apple brand.