hosannainexcelsis
Member
I think the confusion here is wondering why Charlie didn't wait to ambush Ryo at the arcade at their arranged meeting time.
Giant Bomb are bringing back the Endurance Run... and it's Shenmue.
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I think the confusion here is wondering why Charlie didn't wait to ambush Ryo at the arcade at their arranged meeting time.
Is that really confusion though? I mean, if he's double crossing him does it actually matter if it's not at the time and place Charlie said it was?
*Ryo decides to stay in until 2:30 watching Ninja Turtles reruns or Hokuto no Ken or whatever*
Charlie having spent all day at the construction site: Any moment now...any moment and my master plan of harassing a small child so Ryo comes to THIS location will come to fruition!....................
Have you ever watched an Endurance run? Or any other content with Dan?
VeryGooster
Banned
Probably not remembering the game as well as I think I do but feel like once you're on Disc 2 the game picks up in pace, even with the way they've been playing it.
The forklift races are going to be hilarious.
Apparently no one in Dan's life would answer any of his questions until he joined Giant Bomb so he's taking advantage of it while he can.
OverBlood 3
Banned
That was a short episode!
Soon... ish.
holy shit, this is where Vinny will shine.
I must be sure not to drink anything.
The game moves at a decent pace until you get the forklift job, then they kind of drip feed you cutscenes over the space of 5-6 days and it can be pretty boring if you're not 100% on board with it. Don't get me wrong, the story and action is great. There are some really cool characters to come, but the job part gets boring after a couple of days. Whether it was padding or realism they were going for, I don't know, but they could've condensed the forklift driving by 50-60%. It's still enjoyable if you're in to the experience and immersed in the world, but at the end of the day you're performing a repetitive, menial task. Which I guess could be said for a lot of games though *shrugs*
If it wasn't for this id probably stopped watching this endurance run.. watching a man child discover the world around him is fascinating lol.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
LOL. The mini panic when they didn't find the number in the objective book 
tryagainlater
Member
I see how you couldn't recognise that mob as being Charlie if you weren't paying attention because I wasn't paying much attention to the game and didn't recognise Charlie. These characters are too stupid to stick in my brain as individual people. Except for Tom of course who's amazing.
Cindi Mayweather
Member
Disc 2 owns. Disc 1 is the weakest disc. Hope they enjoy it more.
Cindi Mayweather
Member
To be fair to the guys, someone at the Dojo made a thread once admitting they still went to the arcade at 3 pm. So they're not alone, but still.
The notebook is literally an old school notebook and every note Ryo puts in it will stay in there (unless Ryo fills up the missing part of a phrase) whatever you do in the story / sidequests. It's not a modern and evolutive "mission progress" book we now have in modern games and I like it this way. You need to get immersed in the story and follow different kind of clues and you need to think. ^_^
That said, it's been 16 years since I've done my first Shenmue playthrough and I don't remember in which part(s) I struggled to find the "next step" to do, what I remember though, is that Shenmue was one of the few games I finished.
He drop kicks a dude off of a moving motorcycle at one point, trust me there are plenty of fun scenes like that yet to come. Then Shenmue 2 goes crazy with them.
I dread them doing Shenmue 2 though, they still haven't got their heads around the layouts of Sakuragaoka or Dobuita, they've got no chance in the 10 or so areas that make up Wan Chai, maps or no maps.
BRocknRolla
Member
It's likely partially due to the company Dan kept prior to Giant Bomb, but he also deserves some credit for his whole "New Dan" approach that he's dedicated himself to in the last year.
We're talking about a guy who clearly had a very sheltered life (For whatever the reason), and he seems to be making a genuine effort to expand his horizons. It's a weird thing to hear, but I give him credit. A lot of people are very happy to keep their blinders on.
In addition, they checked the notebook after the ambush and there was still a blank spot after the arcade@3 note and it's not like they got new info from Charlie at that moment. Some people are acting like it's a waste to check and it's not like the guys were adamant about sticking around trying to trigger a cutscene or anything.
Like Gigarator said, Shenmue II leans into that stuff way more heavily than this game.
I don't think people are saying that it was a waste of time checking the Arcade @ 3, more that they were shocked at the lack of common sense. They knew that they had to go to the Arcade to meet Charlie. Along the way there, Charlie and his gang ambush them. Even if you don't remember Charlie (I know I didn't), he clearly states that the ambush was payback for what happened at the tattoo parlor, so unless you weren't paying attention, it should be obvious that the whole thing was a set up.
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
I mean...come on.
In the game you have a letter written in chinese, find a chinese boy during a cutscene and then have to find him again immediately after that cutscene ends to ask him if he can translate the letter.
You ask a dude where a tattoo shop is and he says he'll only tell you if you join his gang but to do so you need a tattoo first so he sends you to the tattoo parlour.
Would it REALLY be that strange that the game still expects you to go to the arcade? Really? It would be pretty weird if this was real life but in this game, would it really be so out of the question?
EmCeeGramr
Member
Yeah, it kinda would be weird.
Incandenza
Banned
And considering how long you already have to spend just waiting for shit in the game, you bet your ass I would play it safe and check out the arcade anyway if it's 3:00.
He's either going to be a savant or outright terrible. There will be no in-between when it comes to the vehicles.
We saw how he played Hang On...
I mean, the notepad does explicitly say the letter is the only lead now. I think the average player would probably realise it was Charlie who just doubled crossed them too.
There are obtuse moments in Shenmue, but this aint' one of them.
Vampire On Titus
Member
Did you actually read my post or the one I was responding to? It's obvious I wasn't starting anything.
Zomba13
Member
Well... They weren't... So...
EmCeeGramr
Member
The whole "I can't read this, the characters are strange" thing, where NPCs assume that it's just written oddly until the old woman notices that they're mirrored, is another example of a cultural context thing that doesn't really make sense if you aren't aware of it. They got it sorta right when they were talking about second generation versus first (that barber did mention earlier in the ER that he was second generation), but the thing is that there are tens of thousands of Chinese characters/kanji (the Japanified version of Chinese characters) - including incredibly rare or obscure ones - while the average person will only be familiar with several thousand, and they actually do get really weird and different with all the ways you can read them.
Clockwork5
Member
Dan can only learn when he asks a very specific question about some insignificant factoid on a video feature.
It appears to be quite debilitating.
"Is a bird a mammal?"
Glitchesarecool
Member
Anxiety eventually leading to full blown panic attacks, undiagnosed for a good chunk of time while experiencing them, and still dealing with them to this day (albeit something he's gotten much better at handling). You can read more about his experiences in Anxiety As An Ally.
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thepotatoman
Unconfirmed Member
Maybe because he saw all the comments that liked the MGS5 endurance run basically being a podcast, or maybe he was just in the habit of it after MGS5.
Some people really do just want a podcast with a game attached to it and MGS5 was perfect for that with how repetitive and slow a lot of that game was. It clearly doesn't work for a lot of people with a game like Shenmue though. I'm guessing he'll adjust for the next one after seeing this feedback.
Zeouterlimits
Member
Same, very sensible.
Given the dumb stuff this game has, them going to the arcade wouldn't be that surprising. That ambush also made no sense. But people will complain about them playing one way or another even when they keep making progress.
They sound so defeated. The game is draining them down.
They sound so defeated. The game is draining them down.
He's either going to be a savant or outright terrible. There will be no in-between when it comes to the vehicles.
We saw how he played Hang On...
I only just figured out how to drive that damn bike properly. Turns out, you need to take your foot off the accelerator instead of breaking because it gives you much tighter steering. That may seem obvious to people that play racing games but I do not.
Cindi Mayweather
Member
Don't think anyone's argued that.
It kinda matters from an execution standpoint yeah.
If you consider Charlie probably knows where you live and knows where you're going, it's not inconceivable that he would cut you off on the way there, especially since it's the only route to take. Sure, there's some game logic involved thanks to the in-game clock being what it is, but it really isn't outside the realm of believability.
maquiladora
Member
Yep...smh