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[vg260]

How is it a gray area? It quite literally say you are not to gain monetary value from not using it yourself.

How solid is the legal basis for putting "not for resale" on things like this, and how enforceable is it? What's to stop printing "not for resale" on physical copies of games? Is it one of those things that if challenged would not really hold up, but it would just not be realistic to do so? It's interesting to me how upset people get about attempts to shut down/subvert physical re-sale of games, but many seem totally ok with not completely realistic restrictions on a secondary market for digital copies of games. This is more of a general question, and not directly to your post.

Also some people seem to calling the codes given to them by Amazon stolen, but I don't see that as technically accurate seeing how Amazon actually provided it to people before their order was processed. Obviously, the customer intent was not above board, but it was Amazon's goof to provide them before an actual purchase was confirmed and shipped. The codes themselves were not fraudulent, meaning they weren't fake/counterfeit, just that Amazon made a mistake by giving them out.

 

[Tecnniqe]

If you buy an item I'm not sure how legal holds up, but the code you get for free is based on you not benefitting by getting rid of it to someone else, which probably do hold water as it's the terms of your free item.

 

[peteeM]

The refund I got from my eBay seller still says "Pending" on PayPal ~48 hours later.
Should I be worried?

 

[KingV]

People have problems with Kinguin, etc. So what's the difference between them and dealing with sellers on GAF or Reddit? Doesn't matter where the steak came from as long as the steakhouse is nice?

Yeah, I don't get why GAF is almost overwhelmingly anti G2A when B/S/T has literally zero protections for fraudulent keys.

I sell bundle keys frequently on G2A/kinguin and have had to verify that I have legit keys to their support when my selling price is low by providing copies of my receipt. Most recently happened selling SOMA from my humble monthly.

B/S/T is basically the same thing but with the honor system and loads of Friends and Family PayPal sales.

 

[Guy LeDouche]

This shit will just mean that in the future when you buy a gpu that comes with a promo code, they will set up a website where you log in with your steam credentials and the key is applied directly, so no reselling.

e: and that monono guy only joined a few months ago so he was probably only here for cheap keys in b/s/t. glad he's out.

 

[rdytoroll]

The refund I got from my eBay seller still says "Pending" on PayPal ~48 hours later.
Should I be worried?

Says the same for me. From what I've read we have to wait for the next workday or so, when banks do their business again

 

[JohnnyFootball]

This shit will just mean that in the future when you buy a gpu that comes with a promo code, they will set up a website where you log in with your steam credentials and the key is applied directly, so no reselling.

e: and that monono guy only joined a few months ago so he was probably only here for cheap keys in b/s/t. glad he's out.

Ways around that.

One way they could prevent it is if they link the video card registration to the key.

 

[Guy LeDouche]

Ways around that.

One way they could prevent it is if they link the video card registration to the key.

if scammers keep at it, i'm sure nvidia/publishers can come up with something not easily circumvented. I'm surprised it hasn't happened already.

 

[J_Viper]

So with all this happening, I wonder if there's any possibility of people selling the Gears 4 codes from the Xbone bundle.

I have no problem paying full price for this, but if I can get it cheaper, I'll hold off. Video games are expensive, and there's a ton hitting these next few months.

 

[Backlogger]

if scammers keep at it, i'm sure nvidia/publishers can come up with something not easily circumvented. I'm surprised it hasn't happened already.

Or they will just stop bundling their games with graphics cards

 

[metareferential]

Or they will just stop bundling their games with graphics cards

They could just require you insert the serial number and a proof of purchase on their site and give you the code via email.

It's not that hard.

And again, it's Amazon's fault.

 

[Arkanius]

What pisses me off more is that I can't redeem codes now even if I buy a participating GPU.

 

[tuna_love]

They could just require you insert the serial number and a proof of purchase on their site and give you the code via email.

It's not that hard.

And again, it's Amazon's fault.

thats normally how it works

 

[Kurt Russell]

What pisses me off more is that I can't redeem codes now even if I buy a participating GPU.

Looks like there's a way to fix that:

It turns out this is not the case.

I had an eBay key that was revoked and have just redeemed a new key I got with an actual purchase.
After redeeming the code and logging into your Microsoft account, all you need to do is use a different email address when prompted. I just added a +1 to my gmail address and it all redeemed fine - it's currently in my library.

I'm not sure how would that work for non gmail addresses though.

 

[Backfoggen]

Just don't use Amazons code delivery system for full games next time. It was likely an oversight by the people who set it up.

 

[metareferential]

thats normally how it works

Well, there it is. xD

 

[Wiped89]

Come on, buying a code for a brand new not even released game for $7, you deserve to lose your money. If something is too good to be true online, it probably is. Timeless rule.

 

[Lonely1]

This shit will just mean that in the future when you buy a gpu that comes with a promo code, they will set up a website where you log in with your steam credentials and the key is applied directly, so no reselling.

e: and that monono guy only joined a few months ago so he was probably only here for cheap keys in b/s/t. glad he's out.

It was that way when I got MGS5 with my 980ti.

 

[Pingween]

The refund I got from my eBay seller still says "Pending" on PayPal ~48 hours later.
Should I be worried?

I had the same problem. The seller said he managed to refund everyone else without problem. So I'm guessing paypal added some extra steps after the unusual activity or we are just unlucky.
I'm still waiting for them ...

 

[jrcbandit]

How solid is the legal basis for putting "not for resale" on things like this, and how enforceable is it? What's to stop printing "not for resale" on physical copies of games? Is it one of those things that if challenged would not really hold up, but it would just not be realistic to do so? It's interesting to me how upset people get about attempts to shut down/subvert physical re-sale of games, but many seem totally ok with not completely realistic restrictions on a secondary market for digital copies of games. This is more of a general question, and not directly to your post.

Also some people seem to calling the codes given to them by Amazon stolen, but I don't see that as technically accurate seeing how Amazon actually provided it to people before their order was processed. Obviously, the customer intent was not above board, but it was Amazon's goof to provide them before an actual purchase was confirmed and shipped. The codes themselves were not fraudulent, meaning they weren't fake/counterfeit, just that Amazon made a mistake by giving them out.

That's why in the EU I don't believe there is any printed limitation with reselling keys, consumer rights are much more protected there. However, even in the US, I doubt the clause would hold up in a court of law.

As for Amazon, they are fraudulent keys because the keys were obtained with fradulent intent and by fradulent means. People bought and immediately cancelled video card purchases with absolutely no intent to buy the card just to get the key. Other people made fake Amazon accounts and used credit card generators to create fake orders to get the codes. Hence, why it is fraudulent.

 

[vg260]

So with all this happening, I wonder if there's any possibility of people selling the Gears 4 codes from the Xbone bundle.

I have no problem paying full price for this, but if I can get it cheaper, I'll hold off. Video games are expensive, and there's a ton hitting these next few months.

I'm sure there will be a market for those, as those are just physical cards with codes. A lot of people buy bundles and may not want the game that comes with it. Same as if it were a physical copy. If they go after resale of those, then they are going too far. Often the physical copy and the digital copies have not for resale on them and don't have a UPC. People generally feel secondary resale for those is within their customer rights.

On that note, does Gamestop ever take in physical copies of games bundled with systems that do not have UPC codes? I wonder if they're dealing with not for resale copies.

 

[SicSemperTyrannis]

I'm sure there will be a market for those, as those are just physical cards with codes. A lot of people buy bundles and may not want the game that comes with it. Same as if it were a physical copy. If they go after resale of those, then they are going too far. Often the physical copy and the digital copies have not for resale on them and don't have a UPC. People generally feel secondary resale for those is within their customer rights.

On that note, does Gamestop ever take in physical copies of games bundled with systems that do not have UPC codes? I wonder if they're dealing with not for resale copies.

GameStop takes in all physical trades, NFR or otherwise. Employees will take bundled games as a trade-in toward the bundle being purchased, at least in my experience.

 

[Matt]

That's why in the EU I don't believe there is any printed limitation with reselling keys, consumer rights are much more protected there. However, even in the US, I doubt the clause would hold up in a court of law.

As for Amazon, they are fraudulent keys because the keys were obtained with fradulent intent and by fradulent means. People bought and immediately cancelled video card purchases with absolutely no intent to buy the card just to get the key. Other people made fake Amazon accounts and used credit card generators to create fake orders to get the codes. Hence, why it is fraudulent.

It has gone before the court in the US, and people are absolutely within their legal rights to resell their property. However, manufacturers are not required to make that technically possible (i.e., digital storefronts don't have to have a mechanism for resale).

The main point of those "not for resale" labels are so authorized retailers don't break apart bundled items, and so that individuals know they are buying an unauthorized and unsupported product.

 

[Shpeshal Nick]

So with all this happening, I wonder if there's any possibility of people selling the Gears 4 codes from the Xbone bundle.

I have no problem paying full price for this, but if I can get it cheaper, I'll hold off. Video games are expensive, and there's a ton hitting these next few months.

Why wouldn't they?

I just bought a FIFA 17 code from a 500GB S bundle that a guy didn't want. $45AU. Bargain. A few will sell Gears codes.

 

[CapitalismSucks DonkeyBalls]

Sir_dany12 seemed like a grounded and decent individual from the conversations in the NXOE and Xbox OS Updates threads, I wouldn't be quick to think he's scamming people.

He's not. He's actively trying to get my refund processed. I took 30 instead of 35 because he stated he's losing money on these refunds and I'm not out to demonize a fellow gaffer.

Regardless, he's responding to PMs and trying to fix this mess as much as he's capable. That's more than other GAF sellers I've worked with in the past.

 

[jesu]

He's not. He's actively trying to get my refund processed. I took 30 instead of 35 because he stated he's losing money on these refunds and I'm not out to demonize a fellow gaffer.

Regardless, he's responding to PMs and trying to fix this mess as much as he's capable. That's more than other GAF sellers I've worked with in the past.

I can't get my head around how he would lose money by refunding exactly what you paid.
Paypal fees?

 

[CapitalismSucks DonkeyBalls]

I can't get my head around how he would lose money by refunding exactly what you paid.
Paypal fees?

I can't say for sure. I just don't feel it's necessary to kick a guy when he's down. I mean, the onus is on me to make sure I don't make boneheaded purchases like this in the future.

 

[Tecnniqe]

He's not. He's actively trying to get my refund processed. I took 30 instead of 35 because he stated he's losing money on these refunds and I'm not out to demonize a fellow gaffer.

Regardless, he's responding to PMs and trying to fix this mess as much as he's capable. That's more than other GAF sellers I've worked with in the past.

I'm sure our nuclear meltdown poster is having the best of days right now.

 

[Wrestlemania]

Looks like there's a way to fix that:


I'm not sure how would that work for non gmail addresses though.

There's no email confirmation, so you can probably put anything in.

 

[demigod]

He's not. He's actively trying to get my refund processed. I took 30 instead of 35 because he stated he's losing money on these refunds and I'm not out to demonize a fellow gaffer.

Regardless, he's responding to PMs and trying to fix this mess as much as he's capable. That's more than other GAF sellers I've worked with in the past.

Lol he's not losing money i can bet you that. You're the 4th person to say you bought from him but only the 1st person to say you're getting a refund. Makes you wonder how many keys he got and sold on GAF.

 

[Don Lapre]

I dont recall a refund ever costing you money on paypal. Maybe he has to pay $5 for each email he sends.

 

[CapitalismSucks DonkeyBalls]

Myself and another gaffer received a $25 refund from sir_dany12.

I won't press the issue for more, just happy the seller kept to his word. Lesson learned.

 

[Backfoggen]

Refunds don't cost anything. You are reversing the transaction.

 

[Mifec]

Quick question. If I buy $100 in US gift cards, can I buy it from the US store even though I'm in Europe?

 

[gatti-man]

What a ridiculous post. You think people were paying $20, $30, $40 dollars for keys that others scammed for $0? It didn't come out until later that the reason keys were so cheap was because Amazon royally effed up, and not because people were offloading keys they didn't want from GFX cards they purchased, which is what I imagine most assumed was going in. I've said it a bunch, but yeah we need to be responsible and protect ourselves by using things like good and services, but it still sucks to get taken advantage of.

If you bought a key for $7 after the glitch news was out then sure you go in to that situation with all the info and should be be ready for any consequences, like the key being revoked.

People massively unloading keys should have been an obvious clue that something was up. Graphics cards don't sell by the hundreds of thousands randomly. It was plainly obvious there was a flow of codes coming from somewhere and they were dirt cheap hence likely stolen.

 

[MUnited83]

Lol he's not losing money i can bet you that. You're the 4th person to say you bought from him but only the 1st person to say you're getting a refund. Makes you wonder how many keys he got and sold on GAF.

It likely means that he initially bought the codes from someone else, and that someone else probably disappeared and isnt refunding him, só each refund would put him in the red.

 

[Amagon]

Did anyone hear from the $7 reddit seller? Gonna file a paypal dispute later today. I'm trying give him a couple days but no response.

 

[Don Lapre]

It likely means that he initially bought the codes from someone else, and that someone else probably disappeared and isnt refunding him, só each refund would put him in the red.

Sounds like not the second buyers problem. If he wasn't gonna give me the full value and i didn't pay F&F id do a paypal dispute.

 

[Kandrick]

He posted this on the BST thread :

So I refunded 25$ to the 4 guys that bought me the Gears of War 4 codes.
One of them was spreading the word that I wasn't answering and was just scamming people when I was making sure I could give them as much as possible.
Yeah, they are 10$ dollars down, but I lost around 60$ because one guy that I bought codes ( thinking they were legit, not like some are saying that I knew that was selling amazon codes and I used the glitch lol, wish I had) simply shitted on me.
If you want to give me negative feedback go ahead. I did the best I could out of this situation. Believe me, i don't like to lose money like I did.
But it's fine. Judge me all you want.

 

[w0s]

Refunds don't cost anything. You are reversing the transaction.

They do if you already spent the money!

 

[Chris1]

Quick question. If I buy $100 in US gift cards, can I buy it from the US store even though I'm in Europe?

yes

He posted this on the BST thread :

I'm confused


How can he be out of $60 if he gave 4 people $25? That sounds like he gave people a refund for what he got his refund for, but the profit ($60) was already spent, probably on a game and he doesn't want to give up his own money since he can't get a refund for the game. If true, saying he's out of $60 isn't exactly right, he has that $60 in the form of a game or whatever he spent it on.

[This is speculation, I don't know the whole story, that's just what it looks like to me]

 

[Amagon]

They do if you already spent the money!

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Sir_Danny should take the L and not do business again.

 

[Bread]

Buying cheap codes from someone on reddit and selling them at a premium to people on gaf is preeeeeeeeeeetty lame

 

[MUnited83]

Sounds like not the second buyers problem. If he wasn't gonna give me the full value and i didn't pay F&F id do a paypal dispute.

Oh, I agree. I was in the same situation but i'm refunding people in full.

 

[Backfoggen]

They do if you already spent the money!

Yeah, people not giving refunds likely already spent the money. How dumb can you be, lmao. At least wait until people get to play the actual game.

 

[bbd23]

He posted this on the BST thread :

did he really think only giving them some of their money back would make things right?

sounds like someone I never want to do business with!

 

[SicSemperTyrannis]

Oh, I agree. I was in the same situation but i'm refunding people in full.

That's because you're a boss though

Btw, if you come into legit codes as you mentioned you may, let me know and I will probably be interested!

 

[Bronetta]

Sir_dany12 seemed like a grounded and decent individual from the conversations in the NXOE and Xbox OS Updates threads, I wouldn't be quick to think he's scamming people.

Selling scammed keys for ridiculous markup as if its a legitimately obtained key? You wont but Ill go abead and say he's scamming people.

 

[jrush64]

So we pay him $35, he refunds $25. Keeping $10 for himself. Yeah that definitely seems right.

 

[Don Lapre]

So we pay him $35, he refunds $25. Keeping $10 for himself. Yeah that definitely seems right.

The worst part is people let him do it and dont dispute it.