Pagusas
Elden Member
i wonder if there are any ways to get out of a warmongering penalty for razing cities.
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Civilization 6 announced, out October 21st
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i wonder if there are any ways to get out of a warmongering penalty for razing cities.
That or I guess be ready to pay up for whatever she considers equal, maybe? Like a bunch of gold and some luxuries.
decoyplatypus
Member
I don't think it's a matter of balancing the scales. The way it's written up on the official website, she "will never give up items in a peace deal." Now, that statement could be imprecise or not apply to cities, but taken at face value, it means she will not concede a city, even if your offer is otherwise favorable to her.
Yeah I guess I would agree looking at the language written out like that. Even more of a pain in the ass.
Good news is that it seems somewhat practical to stay on her good side. Just a small, early war with the inevitable forward settler that you win should cover at least the initial bases.
Try logging in and checking the VIP section to see if that changes anything, but does seem they're handling EU and US sites differently on prices.
decoyplatypus
Member
Do we know if the AIs have predispositions toward certain governments and policies? For example, is Gorgo weighted toward choosing Oligarchy or Victoria toward Monarchy? Apart from the Agenda system, I haven't read much about how the AIs work in Civ 6.
Ghostmaster
Member
Nope, just that weird cobbled up version on soundcloud from different videos and trailers.
https://soundcloud.com/jalukaw/combined-extracted-snippets-from-sogno-di-volare (from the 24 second mark and onward the track is clear for about 30 seconds)
My guess is that they use it for the launch trailer.
NyMartin90
Member
so i'm guessing we're not getting Ottomans in vanilla?
Ghostmaster
Member
Nope, the only remaining CIV that could still make it into the base game is Poland, according to the leaks.
dapperbandit
Banned
I think the hidden agenda will have an impact on the AI's preferences with that regard but I don't know if they have an inbuilt predisposition. It might get a bit dull if they ALWAYS choose a certain government type
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
One thing that bothers me with the artstyle is that cities don't look like cities anymore but some distorted monopoly town.
Everything else still approximates real appearances.
Everything else still approximates real appearances.
Facism
Member
well that sucks a chode
Cool that they change her capital to Sparta. Though her ability...Sparta didn't tend to be pro greater Greece. It was pretty much just pro-Sparta hegemony in the Peloponnese and anti-'whatever threats to that be that Argos, Persia, Athens, etc.' They were perfectly fine abandoning Athens after Thermompylae and abandoning the Aegean and Asia Minor coast after the invasion was turned aside.
Athens had greater pan-Hellenic ambitions that coexisted with a clear policy of Athens first. Hence the Delian league was both an anti-Persian alliance and an Athenian Empire that fueled the great works of classical Athens with money and ships. Sparta's war against Athens was a war of 'destroy the tyrant city, free the Greeks,' but not out of some great panhellenism, rather Athens was getting too big and dangerous.
Idk that's how I understand it. But I guess here Greece is Sparta.
Also, Plato's Republic fits Sparta better than Athens. Still not a great fit. Think they should just have gone with a general term about philosophical exploration rather than suggest that Plato's ideas on politics actually were used in Greece.
Athens had greater pan-Hellenic ambitions that coexisted with a clear policy of Athens first. Hence the Delian league was both an anti-Persian alliance and an Athenian Empire that fueled the great works of classical Athens with money and ships. Sparta's war against Athens was a war of 'destroy the tyrant city, free the Greeks,' but not out of some great panhellenism, rather Athens was getting too big and dangerous.
Idk that's how I understand it. But I guess here Greece is Sparta.
Also, Plato's Republic fits Sparta better than Athens. Still not a great fit. Think they should just have gone with a general term about philosophical exploration rather than suggest that Plato's ideas on politics actually were used in Greece.
decoyplatypus
Member
Yes, as a historical matter, Sparta was hesitant about adopting imperial ambitions (although there were differences of opinion within Sparta), and while they ostensibly fought Athens to "free the Greeks," they were fine selling out a number of Greek cities to Persia in return for money and ships to fight Athens.
But as you point out, the idea here is that Sparta stands in for Greece, just as Athens does under Pericles. So it's not really a problem.
Well, I don't think they're trying to be all that rigorous with the names/abilities. I mean, "Founding Fathers?" It's just something to evoke the civilization broadly (rather than the leader specifically) and help define its playstyle. They decided Greece was going to be a cultural powerhouse, so they got an extra policy slot.
admartian
Member
Wondering this too. GameDebate and CYRI (CYRI never gives me an an accurate depiction of what my laptop can do - it says I can't run some games then I run them very well even at higher settings).
Yeah. It's a case of this is where my interests lie and I see where they're getting some of the ideas from but the application is a bit weird. I made a similar comment surrounding the Delian League ability.
I realize it's a bit of a dumb comment, but at the same time I'm drawn to make it
. Civilization just isn't a polis sim and there's a tension between drawing on Ancient Greece and the sort of sim the game is.
Need to decide between Scythia, Sparta, and France for my first game.
Given that so many groups fall under the Scythian denomination, you could readily find another leader that you could use to add another playstyle for the civ.
decoyplatypus
Member
Yeah. It's a case of this is where my interests lie and I see where they're getting some of the ideas from but the application is a bit weird. I made a similar comment surrounding the Delian League ability.
I realize it's a bit of a dumb comment, but at the same time I'm drawn to make it
One day we'll get a great strategy game set against the Peloponnesian war. Plenty of possibilities for a Paradox-style, play-as-any-polis sim or a focused duel between Athens and Sparta.
Greece has so many good possibles for alternate leaders: Alexander of Macedon, Pyrrhus of Epirus (elephant UU), Epaminondas of Thebes (sacred band UU, bonus for revolts/liberating cities?), etc.
... I'm also of the opinion that eventual 'Byzantine' leaders should be alternates for Rome.
... I'm also of the opinion that eventual 'Byzantine' leaders should be alternates for Rome.
Amen.
decoyplatypus
Member
Yep. I mentioned earlier I'd love to see Epaminondas. I expect we'll get Alex instead. He's never captured my interest the way the earlier Greeks do, but given the understandable fascination he holds for most people, I'd be selfish to complain.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Austria was so lame in Civ V if we get a comeback give us something better and make Metternich the leader
Poodlestrike
Banned
Ehhhhhh
Yeah, Eastern Roman Empire and all that, but at the same time... conceptually, I think of Byzantium and Rome pretty distinctly, and I'd wager most other people do as well.
With Rome, I'd prefer to see the usual slew of Emperors, as well as some Republic figures. Cincinnatus could be super cool.
That's generally the view of the west (who wanted to elevate the Holy Roman Empire at the surviving empire's expense during the middle ages), whereas in the broader Turkic-Arab world it was seen as the direct continuation of Rome (which it was).
I think the latter view has the right of it. Yes, culturally and ethnically a lot of things had shifted... but that's kind of the story of Rome from the very beginning. Latins, Greeks, Thracians, Germans, North Africans... the Empire survived and prospered because of its diverse peoples.
Just saw Civ 6 at cdkeys.com for about 40.
http://www.cdkeys.com/pc/games/sid-meiers-civilization-vi-6-pc-steam
It says it's EU only though.
http://www.cdkeys.com/pc/games/sid-meiers-civilization-vi-6-pc-steam
It says it's EU only though.
RocknRola
Member
Spent most of this week watching TB's 4h long video/stream on the game and man...I just fell in love with it. It seems to have SOOOOOO many more options than Civ5 right from the start, it feels like you have a much greater control on everything, from production to the way troops are handled and even to the way diplomacy works with other Civs and city states!
I already thought Civ5 was amazing from top to bottom, but Civ6 is looking to be miles better!
I'm still not entirely conviced by the map-style fog of war, but it's mild annoyance at best really.
I already thought Civ5 was amazing from top to bottom, but Civ6 is looking to be miles better!
I'm still not entirely conviced by the map-style fog of war, but it's mild annoyance at best really.
Ghostmaster
Member
Interview with Christopher Tin about the new theme. Probably the most clear audio of the new theme we will get until the game launches
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHkVd0IdQfQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHkVd0IdQfQ
Captain Cool
Member
So it does have a CD then and not just a code?
I don't have a CD drive on my computer so hoping I can take advantage of 20% off with GCU at BBY and not need to actually use the physical disk...
poppedcollar69
Member
so how many civs do you think will have multiple leaders at launch?
Baby Yeti Live
At the same concert they premiered "Sogno di Volare", so I assume that will get posted sooner or later!
If only there were alternate lyrics to justify officially renaming it
At the same concert they premiered "Sogno di Volare", so I assume that will get posted sooner or later!
Baby Yeti? Autocorrect is out of control.
That was the joke - hence the spoiler.
Mengy
wishes it were bannable to say mean things about Marvel
That was a neat vid, and the new main theme sounds great, but WTF: Baba Yetu was the first video game music he ever wrote???? !!!!!! O_O
Talk about hitting it out of the park your first time up at bat.....
You know, Baba Yetu still gives me chills when hearing it, even after all of those Civ 4 games and after all of these years. It just might be my favorite piece of video game music ever composed.
This is my favorite version of Baba Yetu, performed by Video Games Live.
TonkatsuAddict
Member
Just one week left, the hype is crazy! Debating which victory to go for first. Any word on what's actually involved in this Religious Victory they've mentioned a couple times?
50%+ of the cities in each remaining Civ need to be converted to your religion.
And all City States
TonkatsuAddict
Member
Hm, sounds a little grindy. Hopefully the new religion mechanics will help keep it interesting.
Someone uploaded a few of the themes from different eras across a few Civs. No idea how long they'll stay up, so go listen to the modern era Japanese theme right now.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Sounds like Mass Effect.
Still no word from Amazon on when the Anniversary Edition will ship - hoping there won't be any day one issues.
Also, this oughta be interesting to see: 8 "Player" AI vs AI stream next Wednesday
Also, this oughta be interesting to see: 8 "Player" AI vs AI stream next Wednesday
Askherserenity
Member
Fuck that sounds great. Can't wait till next Friday.
Mengy
wishes it were bannable to say mean things about Marvel
Is it just me, or is the music in Civ 6 a step up from previous incarnations of the game? It seems like I'm really loving every piece of music I hear from the game. The Civ franchise usually has good music, but Civ 6 just seems better so far.
Also, the French medieval theme is fantastic. Wow do I really like that one.