Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Right, but I was saying it was intriguing because of how it seems to directly oppose the AMD crowd.
Eh, I don't know. Really not sure about this.
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Right, but I was saying it was intriguing because of how it seems to directly oppose the AMD crowd.
Eh, I don't know. Really not sure about this.
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Nintendo would sell themselves extremely short with only one device. especially that device being a low power docking handheld. They make money on their consoles. Why not make a console with enough power to try and grab apiece of that core gamer market when they already have games that would work. It is also a HUGE sell for 3rd party support. "We can port our game to NX, and it works on two different devices equals more sales".
FWIW, you may want to expect the opposite, though you're right consoles are generally an easier sell (here in the West; in Japan the opposite is the case right now). Also, for Nintendo this gen, they've had an easier time selling HHs than consoles in the West. IEG, WSJ and others corroborate this hybrid device coming first and they're highly reputable so it's probably going to pan out generally as they say. It's also possible the dock will output at 1080 since some Wii U games have been 1080.
Squall5042
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Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Right. I think a powerful handheld first is probably the best route for Nintendo, as it would also allow them to hit a pricepoint that would be good for the market.
Yeah, it's definitely a bit of a stretch. Hence the potentially. I may very well just be reading into it, we shall see. And it could mean this or next Tuesday. Not to mention that dates shuffle quite a bit.
Here are my suspects about what could be innacurate in Emily's article and how it changed in about 50 days:
I hope 2 and 3 are the innacurate ones, from the 3 things I mentioned.
- No region lock --> region lock (I don't want this to happen, but Nintendo could have changed its mind, I'm really scared of it)
- 32GB internal storage --> 256 GB (SSD disks are not as expensive as they used to be when the Wii U came out, and just 32 GB was a very bad idea, many people didn't understand it, because PS3/360 500GB and Wii U 32, although PS3 and 360 had HDDs, that are slower but cheaper)
- Noisy cooling --> Much less noisy now (could have been fixed in the latest month)
I hope 2 and 3 are the innacurate ones, from the 3 things I mentioned.
Father_Brain
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Huh, I honestly didn't realize it was possible for a device with active cooling to be that thin, and Emily claims NX is a good two-thirds thicker than the SP4. I guess that makes it a lot more viable.
Schnozberry
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I think the handheld/hybrid is a safe play for the first iteration of the hardware. It ensures that it has appeal globally, and that home users can still play on their televisions with a controller like they prefer. I think once people get used to being able to take their console with them when they leave the house, they'll start to see it as the benefit it really is. There are plenty of times when I'm just waiting somewhere staring at my phone that I wouldn't mind being able to spin up a full fledged Mario or Zelda game.
I'm not expecting a sea change right away in regards to third parties, but there are plenty of franchises that I'd love to be able to spend more time with while I'm on the move. Adult Gamers with kids will feel me. Some of my quietest hours of the day where I can really play games are not in front of the television.
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bomb
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Do you think that when an average consumer sees the supposed "docking handheld unit" they will instantly think "WiiU2". I would. Why wouldn't you? Hey, its a WiiU that I can take on the go. Why would Nintendo pimp their New 3DS then pimp a new handheld?
I feel like Nintendo is going to go hard on an ecosystem with multiple device integration. console, handheld, and your mobile phone.
Dark Cloud
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Nintendos bread and butter is handhelds not consoles. In Japan it's all about the handhelds.
It makes a lot of sense for them to make a powerful handheld first and then they can do a console a year or so later.
Also, we don't know all the details. We have no clue if the dock does some extra special stuff which appeases console only gamers.
JoshuaJSlone
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Definitely not my area of expertise, but like the handheld unit could have vents at the appropriate places and fans on the dock would fit snugly against them?
I mean, if we take credence in the WSJ and related rumors, it's absolutely the HH coming first. I agree with you, bomb, that a home console version only will come down the line. But they need to make NX a success first, there's no point for them coming out with a high powered console first since gamers do not want a high powered expensive Nintendo console. They have their PS/X systems and will not buy a Nintendo console only if they want exclusive AAA M-rated games. It's a vicious cycle at this point. Nintendo needs to build up that audience if they want to cultivate those kinds of ports. Nintendo will already be trying to convince third parties that this device offers them a 2-in-1 approach, which is essentially does, though surely not at PS/X power and not in the way you're understandably postulating. We do have indication ports to NX will be more doable or easier than they were on Wii U, though surely they will be less powerful. Hopefully the on-the-go functionality helps drive interest in the platform from consumers and in turn third parties, but those third parties even then will need to think hard about bothering to put their Destiny or AC on the system.
I agree with you that region lock is likely out, or has significant strings attached.
TheDinoman
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So now we went from being a hybrid to being a separate console and handheld with the same ecosystem/games? Okay.
Well, Iwata often made comparisons to iOS which started with IPhone. We now have IPhone, Ipad, Apple Watch and a whole bunch of stuff in between.
They won't, and here's why. The average customer has no clue what a Wii U is. If they've heard of it, they probably still think it's a Wii U add-on. If Nintendo markets this in the way EG has rumored they will, then they will be able to successfully position it as a completely different kind of device, even to those ten to twelve people in the world who know what a Wii U is. Console you take on the go, and handheld you click in and continue on your TV at home. That's far better than the admittedly confused half measure of the Wii U.
I agree with you that we will get an ecosystem, and likely a standalone console down the line, and as much (especially MyN) integration throughout it as possible.
From Emily? No, I believe it's still the hybrid first. Just additional devices down the line (surely pending success vs. failure of the first).
Father_Brain
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As someone who spent about $1000 on a gaming laptop last year when I could have bought a more powerful console and a lower-end laptop for the same price: yeah, portability counts for a lot and the hybrid concept is extremely appealing to me. Dunno how the mass market will take to it, and of course the people who wanted a Scorpio-killer console will complain, but I'm definitely more interested than I'd be if it were two separate devices.
Skittzo0413
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Keep in mind Emily said that everything in that report is "at least" 90% accurate. That doesn't mean anything is inaccurate, it just means she's still quite confident in that info in general.
I agree with everything you wrote here. And they *do* taste like schnozzberries.
No, you're right, I did read that. I'm hoping RL is in. That's just at the tippy top of my list of things that would be out.
P.S. TFW when you google DKR images and you come across your NeoGAF post in the DKR2 rumor thread:
It really is incredible what a success Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon was.
ETA: for the love of Pete, people, the best roster addition has been ethereally floating under our noses all along...Polterpup!!!
I feel like a lot of the arguments had against a hybrid device are so dead-set on the idea that a console and a handheld are two completely different concepts, with such different levels of power/architecture that they can't really come to terms with something that aims to be both. Which is kinda fair, since it hasn't been done before to this extent, but still.
If the dock allows you to plug it to a TV and run 1080p/whatever and use traditional-ish controls then what's there to complain about, anyways? Just don't take it anywhere if you don't want to. It's supposed to be a combination of console and handheld, not "handheld.. oh yeah and tv out too I guess".
And if people are salty about the prospect that a hybrid would stunt it of being anywhere near the cream of the crop in power, then they should probably remember Reggie's statements from earlier this year.
I wouldn't be surprised if we got a console-only box at some point though. Could be dirt cheap, and attract people who are that put off by the portable half.
If the dock allows you to plug it to a TV and run 1080p/whatever and use traditional-ish controls then what's there to complain about, anyways? Just don't take it anywhere if you don't want to. It's supposed to be a combination of console and handheld, not "handheld.. oh yeah and tv out too I guess".
And if people are salty about the prospect that a hybrid would stunt it of being anywhere near the cream of the crop in power, then they should probably remember Reggie's statements from earlier this year.
I wouldn't be surprised if we got a console-only box at some point though. Could be dirt cheap, and attract people who are that put off by the portable half.
Schnozberry
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I understand the desire for a powerful console, but it's a fickle enthusiast market. The PS4 Pro and Scorpio discussions have been largely filled with people who are simultaneously excited and yet let down that 4k60 is still way out of reach.
Personally, I think you have to hit the mainstream first. If it's a success, you can toy with trying to pull in the enthusiasts. Time will tell if it will work for Microsoft and Sony, but I totally understand their strategy.
purseowner
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The leak you've been waiting for...
... a new Wii U retail release!
http://nintendoeverything.com/minecraft-story-mode-the-complete-adventure-on-the-way-to-wii-u/
... a new Wii U retail release!
http://nintendoeverything.com/minecraft-story-mode-the-complete-adventure-on-the-way-to-wii-u/
yeah but we already knew that all along? we knew NX was going to be part of an ecosystem
ViewtifulJC
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Playing the brand new 3D Mario and Zelda on your fucking phone and handheld might be the least appealing idea to me ever. Like watching Lawrence of Arabia on your fuckin iPhone...you have a gimped experience. Video, audio, controls, everything. Tig may think you've experienced the game, but yoh haven't
Zero interest in this being some handheld first. I want console style games on the next Nintendo console.
Zero interest in this being some handheld first. I want console style games on the next Nintendo console.
*hint* it will be the thread with actual information in the title
megashock5
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Man, the looming possibility of this is what could keep me from jumping in. I'm not much of a handheld user.
Dark Cloud
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Tell that to AMD64 lol
Kingpin Rogers
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Hmm, I don't really feel like buying the NX if it's going to be improved or changed upon in the future. I never liked that about their handhelds and I still don't like it. If that ends up being the case I'll buy it at launch but I'll certainly have feelings of trepidation.
Schnozberry
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But...you can still play it on your TV with a controller?
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
What do you mean by "appeases console only gamers" out of curiousity?
cumputing? how does that work exactly?
ecosse_011172
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RD3 will not be a Nintendo exclusive but RD is not GTA so those figures are meaningless.
it's handheld first. 720p max output resolution. weaker than xbone.
and no red dead.
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bomb
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I do like the Nintendo Eco System (NES) name.
Well, you see, when one part of a motherboard loves another one that much and it's dominated by its own hormones...
TLZ
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A lot of people don't entertain that idea and have no time to play outside their house, and frankly don't care about it being a handheld. Just a an hour or two on TV before bed and that's it. I also don't think they'll entertain the idea of having a dormant tablet next to/under their TV for eternity. Just try and think of that for a little bit, from their perspective. It's the handheld crowd who are mostly behind this full force.
In my case, I'd very much prefer a console, not a dock, with a tablet a la Wii U, but I'd like the tablet to have a much larger range so I could play in my bedroom. When I'm out I'm usually away from TV and screens in general in need for a break.
If it is really a tablet first, with no console whatsoever in their plans, I'd still take it because I still want to play Nintendo's games. That's what I care about the most.
Schnozberry
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720P is the resolution of the handheld screen, not the max output resolution. That is FUD.
No Red Dead isn't exactly surprising. Rockstar is going to publish on machines with a userbase first. They invest too much money to make risky ports. Hell, they are even cynical enough to make PC players double dip and wait an extra 6-12 months.
i really don't think a game will be 720p on the handheld and different resolution on the tv, but we'll see.
maybe movies and other apps, I guess.
the wii u didn't need the tablet controller to turn on
As o said it before I expect
NX Hybrid (6inch Portable and docking station, detachable controller, 128GB SD Card, Dock has USB port for external HDD)
$300 - March 2017
NX Console (Micro Sized Console, Normal Controller, 500GB internal HDD, console has USB port for external HDD
$200 - Fall 2017
NX Handheld (5 inch Portable, Slide out controller not detachable, 128GB SD Card, option to buy a seperate controller and Dock for TV play)
$200 - Q3 2018
NX Hybrid (6inch Portable and docking station, detachable controller, 128GB SD Card, Dock has USB port for external HDD)
$300 - March 2017
NX Console (Micro Sized Console, Normal Controller, 500GB internal HDD, console has USB port for external HDD
$200 - Fall 2017
NX Handheld (5 inch Portable, Slide out controller not detachable, 128GB SD Card, option to buy a seperate controller and Dock for TV play)
$200 - Q3 2018
James Scott
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I'm not 100% the resolution will always be 720p. If the chip is supposed to be more capable than the Wii U and the Wii U had 1080p games then the NX should be able to achieve that especially if they plan on pushing the TV aspect.
They are swimming in cash and all games they have made have sold really really well. I really don't see the problem with a NX port of it only does 1 million worldwide
Schnozberry
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Everybody had different use cases for things. If you're Nintendo you're trying to make a device that can satisfy as many of them as possible. I think Nitnendo is willing to sacrifice the limited number of people who won't consider buying a hybrid for whatever reason, and try to attract the much larger group of people that have no use for something that they can only interact with in front of their TV. I think your concern about the dormant tablet under someone's television is a bit overwrought. The problem with the console market in general is that it's shrinking and appealing to the narrower market over time. That needs to be addressed if the dedicating gaming market is to continue thriving, and Nintendo has to try something new to preserve their own stake in the market writ large.
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