Rellik
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Yep. The crowd showed it too by falling asleep through it.
I'd love to see Vince's face during that match.
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Yep. The crowd showed it too by falling asleep through it.
I'd love to see Vince's face during that match.
Roman's mic skills are so bad. He's not doing well at all on Rawlking Smack.
I'll chime in on the women's match: I think it started hot with that table spot but the EMT thing killed all momentum and they struggled to win the crowd back after that. The marquee spots were almost universally botched and the pacing was incredibly awkward. I think it was a lot of pressure that might have gotten to 'em. Either way, hopefully more women's main events down the road. This match was not Sasha/Bayley but it wasn't that bad either. Just kinda...average. For a main event, not great, but how many shitty main events have we dealt with in general?
I'll chime in on the women's match: I think it started hot with that table spot but the EMT thing killed all momentum and they struggled to win the crowd back after that. The marquee spots were almost universally botched and the pacing was incredibly awkward. I think it was a lot of pressure that might have gotten to 'em. Either way, hopefully more women's main events down the road. This match was not Sasha/Bayley but it wasn't that bad either. Just kinda...average. For a main event, not great, but how many shitty main events have we dealt with in general?
serenewarfare
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To those complaining about a Charlotte win, I'll say the same thing I said after Summerslam: Who would you put Sasha with next if she beat Charlotte? You wouldn't be able to do her and Charlotte again if she won and it's too early for her against Nia because she either has to kill Nia's gimmick or Nia wins the belt and the division goes to hell with Nia as champion. Bayley just lost a title match and it'd be a face-face feud and no good. No other women are built up for a title feud.
Charlotte winning, given the layout of the rest of the division, is not a bad move.
Nah man. That match needed Charlotte doing a Red Arrow off the Cell through a table.
Charlotte winning, given the layout of the rest of the division, is not a bad move.
Nah man. That match needed Charlotte doing a Red Arrow off the Cell through a table.
Maybe because she is a better fighter?
I don't understand that mentality. Why would Nia being pushed to conquer a bad thing? She has been solid so far and really laying the smackdown against everyone she came across on the main roster. All you got to do is to keep her going, allowing her to do her going right through the division and, most important, really build-out the women's division further than the usual 3 (Bayley, Sasha, Charlotte). They need to build more competition, not make it so story-centric to the point where people end up getting lost in respect to ranks and legitimacy. Anyhow, it would be good if you could explain your thoughts further if you can in regards to not bothering with Nia.
The Silver
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the only place to go after this is 3 stages of hell
BewareTheBatsie
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I guess WWE are probably dedicated to the whole 'Charlotte is undefeated in singles matches on PPV's' thing.
That finish was messed. Table definitely seemed like it was gonna break but just throwing her on it was terrible in concept. Maybe a Natural Selection on a chair.
That finish was messed. Table definitely seemed like it was gonna break but just throwing her on it was terrible in concept. Maybe a Natural Selection on a chair.
ScaryShark
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Blew what?
We back to gravy matches next month?
The women get one try, the result being a damn entertaining but flawed match and 'it' has been blown?
It's 2016 so I'm taking almost everything said about women with a huge grain of salt but the cognitive dissonance you have to have to say that match was bad compared to the multiple of bad PPV finishers involving men over decades is sort of ridiculous.
I know plenty of people wanted that match to fail for whatever reason from the get go.
Curious about Meltzer's rating. I think basement is 3.5*.
Keyser Soze
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I think I liked Sasha vs Charlotte, but the match felt like it happened in reverse chronological order. The spots were all decent they just did not gel together right.
Also that injury story at the beginning was really bad. I don't know why they do that. Cause it's long, boring, and i mean, we get it she's not injured, if she had her neck injured she wouldn't even move, then she fires up and she has no problem to move after that and referees are ok with the match going on..
Ask Zayn how you do an injury story, and you don't need 10 minutes of break to do it.
Ask Zayn how you do an injury story, and you don't need 10 minutes of break to do it.
"Not 5 stars" doesn't mean awful. This internet thinking of things being AWESOME or SHIT with no middle ground is what is truly awful.
ElRenoRaven
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And that is the problem that I called with the draft. They just don't have enough talented women to split between 2 rosters. It's a sad fact. You have about 3 to 4 between the two rosters who can really do main event level matches. The rest are mediocre to just awful. Hence you have the same couple folks fighting over the title all the time.
excelsiorlef
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It had some of the better storytelling I've seen in a match in a while to boot.
serenewarfare
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No, Meltzer speculated that after Summerslam. There's a difference. Meltzer also speculated at this time last year that WWE wanted Eva to be the top babyface in the women's division.
There's a difference between what he reports and what he speculates on.
Dental Plan
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I totally agree. Everyone should be mad at the build up and not the match. WWE failed at building this match up. To the point where they didn't even let people know it was the main event until we had to figure it out by process of elimination.
They needed to get the rocket strapped behind this match. Have Charlotte and Banks do the media rounds. WWE could have made this match just by the promoting it right. Unfortunately they did it wrong.
Host Samurai
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So Sasha is never going to get a decent reign....
It wasn't. It was the best match with the best moments. Owens is a smart heel and has some very good offense, Jericho was in the match to guarantee Seth wouldn't look weak and the ending where Rollins was humbled completed the face turn (as long as they don't fuck it up tomorrow).
This is why they shouldn't have split up the women at all. Just put em all on Smackdown. Different shows for different products. While both women's rosters are thin, SD has much better depth there. Just imagine what they could've done with all of them. As is, it's just shit.
BewareTheBatsie
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Charlotte had to win after that entrance. A+ for sure
They could have Charlotte actually chase Sasha for more than a month. I understand that we're stuck with Charlotte/Sasha for months on end but Sasha winning the title on Raw and then immediately losing it on her first PPV every time is just stupid booking.
You're right, but I'm sure some people think it was legitimately bad.
There is no objective rating on that match.
excelsiorlef
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What match did you watch? Her back being fucked was literally the story of the match.
And the spot was about her back not her neck, hence all the backbreakers and back focus offense from Charlotte the rest of the match, hence the finish with her back giving out.
The Silver
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nah nah, people were defintitely getting worked.
Roland_Gunner
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I listened to the audio show they're talking about. Dave said the plan, at that time, was for Charlotte / Dana to be at WM. I didn't hear anything about Dana winning, but whatevs. Since then everyone's cooled on Dana a ton but that was the plan a few months ago.
She had to get 15 titles as their father
serenewarfare
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I agree to an extent, but good booking can make use of talent. For example, SD has done a great job making Alexa seem like a legit opponent for Becky, and Alexa's only been on the roster for a few months. They've also even made mediocre workers like Naomi and Carmella look good to a certain point.
Raw has women they aren't using who can be at least semi-respectable for a short term title program, namely Summer Rae. She could easily be in a Bliss-type role if the booking on Raw wasn't total garbage.
8BitsAtATime
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She does that every time she gets in the ring. She has a death wish.
ScaryShark
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Women should be on both shows IMO. Same with the cruiserweights.
My big fear was if Sasha won, that they'd feed her to Nia Jax because her back was hurt and we all know they are stupid enough to give her the belt for a monster heel run.
Charlotte winning is probably better for the long haul, let Sasha take a break until a Rumble buildup. Bayley would make sense as the next challenger if they had not dialed her character back from 2 years ago. Now she doesn't look like a true threat because of how they booked her. As far as Dana goes, she's an okay character, kind of one note, but she is a shitty shitty shitty wrestler. She could be decent in a while but she cannot be anywhere near the main event for a while. Maybe Asuka? There is literally nothing for her to do on NXT.
ThreePiMatt
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Given how big a deal they made of that stretcher spot, Sasha better come out wrapped in kinesio tape like a mummy tomorrow on RAW.
amodelmerol
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What the fac did I just not watch?
Mr. Enigma
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I could care less if it succeeded or failed. The stretcher spot in the beginning was completely unnecessary, so that's on the match agent. Also, they blew two table spots including a very important one that was supposed to lead into the finish. On the first one, they didn't even improvise anything. Sasha just sat on the turnbuckle with a blank look and moved on to the next spot.
Everyone blew it. The agent and the talent. The match was overbooked and overthought. The work was uninspiring and they did nothing that couldn't have been done without a cage around them. For Charlotte to have not done a moonsault on the table when it was in that position is criminal. The finish was awkward, out of nowhere, and the crowd was nowhere where they should have been for a finish. It was a bad production all around.
Yeah indeed but they put something on their neck. The match was about the back indeed, but at some point when the match was almost stopped she was like 'i can't move anymore" and then suddenly she was like "hell bitch i gonna slap you and i'm dancing like crazy" 2 seconds later.
Spirit of Jazz
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Owen's isn't a fucking smart heel if he can have his partner in the match for 50% of the time and still look like a fucking chump. Seth looked strong in the match, but he's looked weak throughout his entire heel booking so without an explanation for him suddenly being a wrestling God it came off as him looking weak and Owens looking weaker and Jericho looking like a fucking joke.
They should have just booked a real reason for Seth to get his shit together if they wanted him to continue to be chickenshit after his hard fought return to the biz.
serenewarfare
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SD has way less talent depth. SD just seems like it has more depth because the booking does a better job of making the every single woman seem like they matter and are legit.
Raw's women's division doesn't really have that much of a talent problem. They have a major, major booking problem.
How do you justify Charlotte getting another shot now if she loses the big HIAC match? How do you justify her even getting a #1 contender's match?
Agreed that it's purely subjective, but I also feel fans are spoiled AF today. Half the spots in the match looked brutally painful, and you'd think that would be enough to at least get a "That was okay" from the vast majority of viewers.
BewareTheBatsie
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Sasha goes away from the title scene, Emmalina turns out to just be a lie Emma used for reasons and she attacks Charlotte pissed off she stole her sidekick from her leading to half-glove lady vs eye-makeup lady in a GOAT match
sf2fanatic
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Wow sounds like Lita and Booker still dislikes Kendrick from the old days
Probably 2.5 or 3. If the table botches weren't there it would be 3.5.
I wouldn't say they blew it, but it was a mediocre match. It's only an accomplishment in the sense that the women can put on a mediocre match at the same level as the men.
Dr Duncan Steel
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Brian Kendrick is fucking awesome. Might be the glue that could make this Cruiserweight Division stick.
Hunter ain't giving up Asuka any time soon. She's pretty much the only star the NXT women's division has at present.
There really are no viable choices right now. The division has been booked so that Sasha and Charlotte are the only legit contenders. It's them or nobody.
sf2fanatic
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Booker and Kendrick the Raw version of Bryan and Miz?
excelsiorlef
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Neck brace is standard procedure for stretchers and she was not dancing like crazy 2 seconds later she willed herself into a a few power moves and then came crashing back down to earth when her back gave out a bit. She was selling her back from start to finish.
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