United States Election: Nov. 8, 2016 |OT| Hate Trumps Love

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Remember in 2004 when Alien vs Predator was being oh-so-clever with the tag line "Whoever wins, we lose?"

The biggest losers were the people who watched Alien vs Predator.
 
This probably isn't what people want to hear, but the no fly zone is a bluff. Voters want a candidate who promises to do something, and a no-fly zone sounds like the sort of safe something they want. It'll never actually happen because she knows the risk.

That said, under no illusion about the fact that she'll be much more hawkish than Obama, probably even more hawkish than Bill Clinton or GHW Bush, too. It won't be anywhere near GW Bush levels though. She's not crazy.

You sure about that?

How are you so sure you know when a politician is lying to you?
 
Clinton seems better than Trump, but I don't think we will see an improvement here. There has been no public debate over foreign policy this election cycle. With no push-back, what reason is there to change or take a step back and examine the USA's role in foreign wars.

The silence about what's going on in Yemen in particular is deafening to me.

This actually isn't an unreasonable position, but Trump clearly sees foreign policy as transactional and efforts by the US that don't give us something directly back aren't worth pursuing or should be abandoned. Even when they are aligned with our own national interests-that's not enough for him.

It's a bad lens to make decisions through and the President has giant leeway into FP matters. I get the Larison crowd and how they don't like Hillary, but Trump is just not an option here.
 
Did my part in suburban Illinois. Lot of loud obnoxious Trump supporters, including a guy who showed everyone of the workers his ID because "we don't do voter fraud!"

I'm nervous.
 
I'm also in Virginia Beach. Had no issues in the Courthouse area, in and out in 5 minutes, but my friend's location near Providence was temporarily shut down due to the police having to come in and arrest a dude wearing a "My gun and I are voting Trump" shirt who was threatening people in line.

Holy shit that's crazy! Yeah, I actually work at the municipal complex. I was tempted to go to the Registrar's office last week to vote early but decided not to.
 
Just voted in Virginia Beach. There were no lines at all. I just had to wait for a couple of minutes for a polling station to be open.

Although I voted for third party candidates in 2008 and 2012 (although I voted Dems in all downticket races and always vote for the Democrats in midterms and off year elections), this year I felt like there was no choice. I'm hardly the biggest Clinton fan in the world, but Trump must be stopped at all costs. So I was proud to cast my vote for her, and for Tim Kaine (for the third time now).

I did have to hold my nose while I voted for Sessoms to be re-elected as mayor. What a shitshow this mayoral race is.

I spent most of my time before the election researching the city council and school board candidates. I felt pretty good about my choices, and the Democratic sample ballot I was given outside the polling station had the same ones on all the races they included, so I guess I did a good job.
 
Because people don't align themselves with your point of view? This IS the worst election since I have been able to vote in the late 90s.

Same here. Even when I voted Romney over Obama it didn't feel bad to know that Obama would be President.

This time around, both choices are bad. One may be more or less bad than the other to you depending on what issues you care about, but these are garbage tier choices for POTUS.
 
I am a bad case of the stomach flu and am in excruciating pain. I live in California, in which my presidential vote for Hilary probably doesn't mean a lot, but fuck that. Going to vote even if I drop dead immediately after.

Your presidential vote probably won't sway anything, but vote for recreational marijuana and at least you'll be able to self medicate if things go sideways. Assuming you don't drop dead of course. Good luck.
 
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Just saw this...

Frank Luntz ‏@FrankLuntz 2m2 minutes ago

BREAKING: Watch Michigan.

Working-class turnout is looking much higher than expected. Trump may actually have a chance. #ElectionDay
 
All too much I'm reading on Facebook comments:

"Both candidates are terrible. But let me list you 5 reasons why I like Trump"

like wtf is that?

There was an article like that on Politico the other day.

"I'm undecided"
"Here are my thoughts on policy:"
*Parrots Trump line on every issue

People who think being undecided makes them seem more intelligent or "above the fray" or just don't want to admit that they are deplorable.
 
I imagine a scenario where Trump votes for Hillary on his ballot just to serve his "rigged election" motive. He seems like the kind of person to do that.
 
Hate to break it to you, but we're screwed no matter who wins today. We've got a lot of deep-seated problems that don't have any clear paths to being fixed...

If Hilary wins, your life may not change at all regardless of your race or religious beliefs. If Trump wins, your life could get much worse depending on your race and religious beliefs.
 
She also voted for the Iraq war and is up the ass of wall street. Two things that helped push Obama past her in 08.

There are certain things you need to be pragmatic about when you are discussing politics. You are never going to get everything you want, especially in a first past the post system. Furthermore, you have to realize policy decisions, especially those from someone with a career as long as Hillary Clinton's, are sometimes done from a place of Political expediency. Iraq War, gay marriage, tough on crime 90's laws, these come from an era of white, Chrisitan majority politics and Hillary has admitted her mistakes and adjusted her worldview to compensate.

The majority of Wall Street donates to the Republican party.

She supports trade deals and takes money, I mean donations, from shitty corporations and countries.

I voted for her, but she is a lesser of two evils.

America's manufacturing output is at all time highs and showings no signs of slowing down. How do you expect these products to be competitive on the world stage if they have to compete with weaker currencies and local tariffs?

Yes, they took money from some shady countries, that also happen to be our allies, to provide services to people suffering from AIDs, Malaria, etc.
They also took money from private corporations to line their own pockets while they were private citizens.
Raises questions of potential conflicts of interest, but also several steps removed from an actual conflict of interest. Especially when this is the party pledged to remove actual bribes from our political system in the form of unlimited donations to PACs.

If you liked Obama and not voting for Clinton, then you are letting emotional cult of personality supersede policy.
Obama as a human being represented me. His calmness, his intelligence, his values represented me. They were easy to see through all the politics. Then he gets in office and you see that even as great as a person he is, the office of President is not enough to instill great values into all the people of this country. I truly believe the party system has become a problem, it's too simple for the complex problems that face this country.

You're actually proving my point in this regard.
 
Just voted in Virginia Beach. There were no lines at all. I just had to wait for a couple of minutes for a polling station to be open.

Although I voted for third party candidates in 2008 and 2012 (although I voted Dems in all downticket races and always vote for the Democrats in midterms and off year elections), this year I felt like there was no choice. I'm hardly the biggest Clinton fan in the world, but Trump must be stopped at all costs. So I was proud to cast my vote for her, and for Tim Kaine (for the third time now).

I did have to hold my nose while I voted for Sessoms to be re-elected as mayor. What a shitshow this mayoral race is.

I spent most of my time before the election researching the city council and school board candidates. I felt pretty good about my choices, and the Democratic sample ballot I was given outside the polling station had the same ones on all the races they included, so I guess I did a good job.

I'm kinda more interested in what happens with the light rail referendum than anything else. I haven't been keeping up with the city council and school board too much, but I tried to research them all last night to make a somewhat informed choice.
 
So, ugh. It's over with. I've voted.

It was kind of a scary experience as I live in a rural area and there were like 100 Trump signs and a huge "STOP RIGGED ELECTIONS" sign and one sign that I'm sure was likely a threat against Hillary's life. There was exactly one Hillary sign there.

All the employees/volunteers wore Trump badges.

FML,

You sure those were volunteers for the polling station itself? They could have been trump volunteers there to "monitor" the voting and the actual poll volunteers were too intimated to do anything.
 
Just finished voting. SC isn't going to go blue, and my district definitely isn't going blue with as many military retirees as there are living here, but I still went and happily cast my vote for Clinton. It sucks that the House seat only had a Republican running unopposed. Lines weren't super-long but it still took like 30 or 40 minutes. They had a woman checking registration for people's last names L-Z and apparently there weren't that many people there with those names, so they kept calling for any and all L-Z people in line to bypass it and go in, so she wouldn't be sitting there doing nothing. Luckily there weren't that many people talking politics in line, because I didn't want to hear whatever dumbshit praise the locals have for Trump.
Eh, we'll see what happens tonight I guess. I was so sure in 2012 that Obama was going to win and the "neck-and-neck" narrative from the media was bullshit for ratings, but I've lost a lot of faith in my fellow Americans in the last four years.
 
Just voted in Lancaster County, PA. Of course the polling place was a church plastered with Trump signs. The line was 3 people when I walked in and the whole process took 10 minutes. Feel bad for the people who have to wait in line for hours.
 
Whoa lot of vabeach residents here.. Did yall vote yes or no on lightrail?? (please yes) Also I hope you voted for pro chicken candidates.
 
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