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Donald J. Trump elected 45th President of the United States
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Krappadizzle
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Be that as it may, they won. I don't know who would have been a better candidate to be honest as I'm so wary of all these career politicians on both sides of the aisle that have been saying the same fucking thing for years and not a damn thing has changed.
I mean.... We can all at least agree on this yeah?
A big amount were probably in deep blue or red states that wouldn't have matter. I am more interested in how many of the battleground / swing states that didn't vote.
Heisenberg
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Lol I think that happens on Friday.
I totally agree with you.
And even in that old thread, a lot of people were dismissive of your post, basically doing the equivalent of plugging their ears and saying "la la la I can't hear anything", and unfortunately I don't think that type of attitude was limited to just GAF, but it actually reverberated through the DNC and Hillary's camp.
I was going to write about that but I really don't know the demographic makeup of those non-voters so I would have just concluded that the majority vote wouldn't mean anything because of the electoral college vote.
BFIB
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Nailed my exact thoughts. My initial thought last night wasn't "The GOP won this?" but more of "How the fuck could the Dems lose this!?" then let reality sink in fast that, like you nailed, they chose the most unfavorable choice for their platform, because they rode the Obama train thinking that would be all they needed to win again. Don't get me wrong, I love the fact that the DNC as a whole had that much faith in Obama, but this was a race that the GOP came to win, and the DNC came to not lose.
LumpOfCole
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Goddamn, South Park is already having an episode on this
timetokill
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Well said. It's never a good look when you're so brazen that you feel you simply deserve the votes and don't have to earn them. And far too many supporters were far too dismissive of real issues, making it nearly impossible to relate to people who actually had valid concerns.
DangerMouse
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Life. Life goes on. Some things will change for the best, some for the worst.
Even though I'm not fan of Trump as a person, there are a few things I'd like to see him pursue.
Walls and Muslim bans are not them fyi. Didn't vote for him either.
yeah only take them a week to make a episode.
ElectricBlanketFire
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YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
triplestation
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daily reminder: donald trump is going to be our next president
Raven117
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Bro, this is a good post (from a fellow Texan).
Guys... Hillary was going to win against Bernie no matter what the DNC did. She built a strong coalition of black supporters, it was a done deal no matter what. People whining about it at this point are full of shit.
If you wanna whine about Biden not running, that's a totally different deal, but Bernie wasn't going to beat Hillary without appealing to black voters, and he failed to do that adequately. If you wanna blame anyone for Bernie not winning, blame Bernie. A huge part of the DNC wanted Hillary to win in '08 too, but she lost anyways. There was a reason for that. The better campaigner won, plain and simple.
If you wanna whine about Biden not running, that's a totally different deal, but Bernie wasn't going to beat Hillary without appealing to black voters, and he failed to do that adequately. If you wanna blame anyone for Bernie not winning, blame Bernie. A huge part of the DNC wanted Hillary to win in '08 too, but she lost anyways. There was a reason for that. The better campaigner won, plain and simple.
To every fucking idiot Trump supporter: you're directly responsible for every fucking death and war that will come with global warming. You fucked up. You fucked up the world. You fucked your kids future.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/s...imate-sensitivity-seven-degrees-a7407881.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/s...imate-sensitivity-seven-degrees-a7407881.html
DeaconKnowledge
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Never thought she'd lose, but I always felt that Hillary was a gatekeeper - no way did she ever have any chance of sniffing two terms.
Every time I ever heard anyone talk about her it was always with the caveat the she was the best of a bad situation. Never a GOOD choice.
Every time I ever heard anyone talk about her it was always with the caveat the she was the best of a bad situation. Never a GOOD choice.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Their stuff is always super current, it's how they stay relevant
UltimaPooh
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And they deserve to continue to have their voice unheard as we go into a Republican lead government. I did have sympathy for them before this election... I even thought maybe we should try to empathize and work with them to get it the right way, but they opted for open racism and sexism and I will not stand by that, never.
If they can't see that a better America is an America where EVERYONE has equal opportunities and freedoms then they don't deserve it anyways.
Kinda hard to not be enemies with white supremacists when you're a minority!
Puck Beaverton
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they may not deserve it but right now they are in control with what they want and we get nothing
UltimaPooh
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And they will get nothing as well except a place to vent their hatred and they will look around wanting when Trump and the GOP don't bring the jobs back.
welcome to GOPA , GOP's America
Both
100% this. Sympathizing with the disadvantaged is entirely different than condemning the politics that they've taken.
Trump will do absolutely nothing for them.
TheSpaceBetween
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More like the opposite. Why should I vote when my candidate can get more votes and lose?
BreezyLimbo
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I've seen some dumb fucker go 'WHY ARE YOU VOTING? ARE YOU IN THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE?' on facebook when she was told of what the electoral college was.
lifeexpectancy
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So here we go… the US election yesterday. Man what is going on in the world. Before I dive into my thoughts on the election, the outcome, and some things I’m hearing and seeing, I want to disclose that I did not vote. I know that’s going to rub some folks the wrong way, but I had my reasons. I absolutely detest Trump and think he is the worst president this country has ever elected, and one of the worst PEOPLE the world has ever seen. He is a greedy, self-serving, racist, sexist, misogynist xenophobe that stands for everything wrong with this country.
Some of you will likely say that by not voting AGAINST him, aka for Hilary, that I was essentially allowing him to win. If I were in one of the narrowly-called battleground states, I probably would have voted for Hilary merely as a vote against hate, even though I dont like her as a candidate. But I live in Texas, and despite the fact that the urban centers like Austin, Dallas, and Houston swung hard left, the fact remains that this state was undoubtedly going for Trump despite my vote. The response to that, of course, is that too many people think this way, and if we all got off our asses and voted then it might have been different. You might be right. I don’t know. I don’t have a crystal ball to know how many of the non-voters in TX would have gone for Hilary vs Trump vs anyone else.
But if we can move past that, I want to reiterate something I’ve said on twitter and tried to say on here before the thread got closed due to the negativity of replies: Trump can’t destroy this country. He can set us back, for sure, and he already has based on some of the despicable stuff I’m seeing online, but he can’t destroy us. What can, and WILL, destroy us is our own hatred. I think of it like the arms race during the cold war between US and Russia. The racist assholes that are emboldened right now because of Trump’s win aren’t going to respond to hatred from non-racists by saying “Oh yeah, my bad, you’re right. My bad bro, dunno why I was so racist.” No, they are going to respond to hatred by amplifying and expanding their own hatred, their own violence.
The only thing that can stop hatred in the long run is love. I know that is a bitter pill to swallow for anyone, and turning the other cheek isn’t easy. But every religious doctrine on the planet teaches forgiveness, kindness, love. No matter what your deity, you are instructed to live a life of service to your fellow humanity, in one form or another. And even if you’re atheist, and your deity is logic and reason, then you must see that the equation does not balance by adding negativity to negativity. No, the only way to reach ‘zero sum’ with a negative value (hatred) is with a positive one (love, kindness).
Don’t mistake me here. I am not saying that people of color, minorities, women, or anyone else ground beneath the heel of oppression should simply roll over and ask for more lashings. Those that have strength, stand in front of the weak. Those that have a voice, speak for those that can’t. Those that have power, wield your power against the power held by oppressors. But don’t be the initiators of violence. Don’t be the instigators of hatred.
Seeing things in the news about riots in predominantly liberal areas like California just saddens me. Do people not realize that this just gives the racist crazies ammunition for their rhetoric? “See? We told you they’re savages! Just look at how they’re responding to Trump’s win, starting riots and fires in their own neighborhoods!!” This is the response they’ll have. Of course you know that there is just as much insanity coming from the side of Trump’s supporters, but rather than get down in the mire and muck with them, the voice of rationality needs to prevail. Edit: I am well aware that there is far more violence and aggression coming from the right at this moment than the left. That wasn't what I was trying to say lest anyone misread this paragraph.
I know this probably sounds like hollow sentiment from someone who isn’t in immediate peril from this situation. I cannot even begin to imagine what it feels like to be someone who is a minority, or a woman, or in the process of trying to get citizenship here at this moment. I know friends and colleagues who are genuinely afraid to go out alone in public now, especially here in Texas, a state with more ‘Murca shouters and confederate flag wavers than most. I’m sure the mere act of me saying all this after not having done my part by voting might make some say my words are meaningless, and so be it. I don’t apologize for my choice in abstaining from the vote.
I feel very disgusted with politics in America, and have for quite some time. I think our current two-party system is a miscarriage of justice, and has led to some of the worst mismanagement a country has ever seen over the past couple of decades, and quite honestly I feel very powerless to stop it at this point. I imagine the powerlessless I feel as a sys white hetero male is probably 1/100th of that felt by some of you, but my choice not to vote was my choice, and I stand by it. I have a feeling the next elections (both the mid-terms and the next POTUS one) are going to be a reversal, just as the republicans ‘rose up’ to take back congress after Obama had his first two years with democratic backing in the legislative branch. And so the cycle continues.
For now, all I can do is pray that the violence will subside, and that this country will learn from its mistakes.
Tell Your Heart to Beat Again – Danny Gokey
Some of you will likely say that by not voting AGAINST him, aka for Hilary, that I was essentially allowing him to win. If I were in one of the narrowly-called battleground states, I probably would have voted for Hilary merely as a vote against hate, even though I dont like her as a candidate. But I live in Texas, and despite the fact that the urban centers like Austin, Dallas, and Houston swung hard left, the fact remains that this state was undoubtedly going for Trump despite my vote. The response to that, of course, is that too many people think this way, and if we all got off our asses and voted then it might have been different. You might be right. I don’t know. I don’t have a crystal ball to know how many of the non-voters in TX would have gone for Hilary vs Trump vs anyone else.
But if we can move past that, I want to reiterate something I’ve said on twitter and tried to say on here before the thread got closed due to the negativity of replies: Trump can’t destroy this country. He can set us back, for sure, and he already has based on some of the despicable stuff I’m seeing online, but he can’t destroy us. What can, and WILL, destroy us is our own hatred. I think of it like the arms race during the cold war between US and Russia. The racist assholes that are emboldened right now because of Trump’s win aren’t going to respond to hatred from non-racists by saying “Oh yeah, my bad, you’re right. My bad bro, dunno why I was so racist.” No, they are going to respond to hatred by amplifying and expanding their own hatred, their own violence.
The only thing that can stop hatred in the long run is love. I know that is a bitter pill to swallow for anyone, and turning the other cheek isn’t easy. But every religious doctrine on the planet teaches forgiveness, kindness, love. No matter what your deity, you are instructed to live a life of service to your fellow humanity, in one form or another. And even if you’re atheist, and your deity is logic and reason, then you must see that the equation does not balance by adding negativity to negativity. No, the only way to reach ‘zero sum’ with a negative value (hatred) is with a positive one (love, kindness).
Don’t mistake me here. I am not saying that people of color, minorities, women, or anyone else ground beneath the heel of oppression should simply roll over and ask for more lashings. Those that have strength, stand in front of the weak. Those that have a voice, speak for those that can’t. Those that have power, wield your power against the power held by oppressors. But don’t be the initiators of violence. Don’t be the instigators of hatred.
Seeing things in the news about riots in predominantly liberal areas like California just saddens me. Do people not realize that this just gives the racist crazies ammunition for their rhetoric? “See? We told you they’re savages! Just look at how they’re responding to Trump’s win, starting riots and fires in their own neighborhoods!!” This is the response they’ll have. Of course you know that there is just as much insanity coming from the side of Trump’s supporters, but rather than get down in the mire and muck with them, the voice of rationality needs to prevail. Edit: I am well aware that there is far more violence and aggression coming from the right at this moment than the left. That wasn't what I was trying to say lest anyone misread this paragraph.
I know this probably sounds like hollow sentiment from someone who isn’t in immediate peril from this situation. I cannot even begin to imagine what it feels like to be someone who is a minority, or a woman, or in the process of trying to get citizenship here at this moment. I know friends and colleagues who are genuinely afraid to go out alone in public now, especially here in Texas, a state with more ‘Murca shouters and confederate flag wavers than most. I’m sure the mere act of me saying all this after not having done my part by voting might make some say my words are meaningless, and so be it. I don’t apologize for my choice in abstaining from the vote.
I feel very disgusted with politics in America, and have for quite some time. I think our current two-party system is a miscarriage of justice, and has led to some of the worst mismanagement a country has ever seen over the past couple of decades, and quite honestly I feel very powerless to stop it at this point. I imagine the powerlessless I feel as a sys white hetero male is probably 1/100th of that felt by some of you, but my choice not to vote was my choice, and I stand by it. I have a feeling the next elections (both the mid-terms and the next POTUS one) are going to be a reversal, just as the republicans ‘rose up’ to take back congress after Obama had his first two years with democratic backing in the legislative branch. And so the cycle continues.
For now, all I can do is pray that the violence will subside, and that this country will learn from its mistakes.
Tell Your Heart to Beat Again – Danny Gokey
Why do people think Bernie would have beaten Trump? Bernie would have been dragged through the mud as a dirty Socialist for months then would have gotten trounced in the GE. People underestimate how much the older generations despise socialism without knowing anything about it.
Ninja Scooter
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There are too many variables to know for sure. You can't just plug in one person for another and expect to know the result. This was a long, strenuous, toxic campaign for both sides. We will never really know how Bernie would have fared.
I've been hearing people say that since Bush/Gore but we won't do jack shit about it.
America is not a true Democracy, it has been known for decades.
Because it was a turnout battle.
In the states that flipped, Hillary got fewer votes than Obama in 2012. Trump got fewer than Romney in 2012 and still win.
I think Bernie could have made up those margins.
Legato.Reborn-
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Because he has/had enthusiasm.
Trump has/had enthusiasm.
Oh and because he didn't have 50% of the country despising him coming out of the gate.
triplestation
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Bryan Cranston on Donald Trump (before election)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoPLqEXBPeU#t=11m30s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoPLqEXBPeU#t=11m30s
VendettaRed07
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It's hard to imagine how he could have done worse
DeaconKnowledge
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That said, the American people clearly wanted change. Of the two candidates, I have no doubt in my mind that all else being equal Bernie would have fared better at the polls.
Legato.Reborn-
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Thanks DNC and DWS
Laieon
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Same thing my girlfriend said last night when I explained how the electoral college works. She was completely baffled, largely because she's been under the impression her entire life that the US is an actual democracy.
I actually learned about it yesterday. I'm not from the US and this is the first time I feel I've been invested in a US election. When I read about how the Electoral College worked, I couldn't believe it, I know it's been tradition for 200 years now but man, some things have to evolve over time (unless this has, which I haven't researched extensively because it is a new concept to me). Now I can know for sure that the US is not a true democracy. It must be really sad living in a state like Texas while being a Democrat, knowing that ultimately your vote will not amount to shit since the Republicans will take it all from that state.
darkwing-buck
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mood rn
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