Clinton campaign didn't do tracking polls for the last month, ignored Michigan issues
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For the love of all that is holy let's pray this never happens ever again. After Brexit and this, left wingers better not get as cocky or complacent like this anymore. I swear if this shit happens for the third time in somewhere like France or Germany then the world political climate will be well and truly fucked.
mugurumakensei
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Not entirely fair. They were gaining under Howard Dean's leadership. Then, they started failing again after Hillary's '08 campaigners such as DWS and Brazile took over.
Dark Cloud
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If Joe Biden ran he would've won in a landslide.
jakonovski
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When the stakes are high, always ask for the receipts. A lot of people just went on faith that everything was going great in the campaign.
Godzilla's Left Toe
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MetalGearZed
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So this whole time...it was Clinton's complacency that lost it?
I think candidates assume their message is enough to get people excited. Given that most of the country is in favor of gay marriage, believes climate change is real, and other progressive ideas, it's assumed that people will flock to the polls to support a candidate with the same stances. But that's not the case, as we've seen time and time again.
I lot of people were lured to complacency by talk that Trump was a terrible candidate. I imagine she would have run a better campaign against someone she had more respect for.
Were you not alive when the Republicans had to run in 2008 with the economy collapsing around them after eight years of Bush?
BrutishMrFish
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Damn. The loss of that state is absolutely on her.
Didn't she actually lose ground in those areas?
KuwabaraTheMan
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What a monumental fuck up.
This is going to go down as one of the most incompetent campaigns of all time due to how badly they bungled what should have been a clear win.
This is going to go down as one of the most incompetent campaigns of all time due to how badly they bungled what should have been a clear win.
There were polls done in every major swing state. They were all wrong. It wasn't just faith, it was bad data reinforcing bad conceptions.
LegendofJoe
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lol, if anything results from this election the Clintons are finished in national politics. Their foundation does good work though, that's what they need to focus on.
Godzilla's Left Toe
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Clinton Foundation
Lunarwhale
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Fuck her campaign team. People didn't donate their hard-earned money to see them piss it away on incompetent campaign decisions like this.
I can't even blame the pollsters or the media. You shouldn't need to be told that when your candidate loses the primary in a state, you should probably try to reassure them that your candidate's actually a good option.
I can't even blame the pollsters or the media. You shouldn't need to be told that when your candidate loses the primary in a state, you should probably try to reassure them that your candidate's actually a good option.
ãInaba Residentã
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Thanks O̶b̶a̶m̶a̶ Clinton
ErasureAcer
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His son Beau was in contact with other planes and timelines in his final days. He knew Joe running would split the vote with Clinton and Bernie would be the nominee and defeat Trump. Thanks Beau for trying. RIP.
No, we create a thread calling them racists and we don't coddle racists so fuck em. Thats how PoliGAF rolls.
entremet
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That's right. Then they shunned him due to pettiness.
Tom Delay was a huge asshole and criminal, but the GOP showered him with praise and high positions because he was effective, although his tactics were questionable.
Texas will remain Red for ages because of his antics.
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One could argue the rift created in the 2008 primary was never fully healed. Hillary and Obama might have patched things up, but that doesn't mean their support networks did.
OFA was a force unlike anything US politics had ever scene. Obama got the largest number of votes ever for a President running for office. They revolutionized how campaigning would work in 2008 with the digital media strategy and comprehensive corresponding ground game.
The rub? These were all Obama people. These were OFA people. These weren't DNC people. DNC was still full of a lot of Hillary people. The people that ran two of the best campaigns in the history of the plant for Obama in 08 and 12 weren't the people that ran the 16 Hillary people.
Why? I don't know. Maybe cause they both already had their own people due to being rivals in the 08 primary. Maybe they never reconciled. Maybe Hillary had or wanted her own crew. Maybe the Obama people moved on to other things after the 12 reelection campaign was over. I'm not entirely sure.
Cesare Borgia
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This isn't about democrats. This is about one woman destroying her party (short term) through arrogance, hubris, and wanting to be handed a title instead of earning it.
Maintenance
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Please clap.
"Remember 2016" should be the default phrase for the next 100 years anytime any progressively leaning person takes anything for granted again.
SolidSnakex
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Some of it went into the fantasy land that she and her supporters created where she wins in Texas, Arizona and Georgia. She actually campaigned in Arizona while she never set foot in a state like Wisconsin.
I'll be honest, I've stopped being able to tell who's serious and who's joking online anymore. Because I know people who'd have fallen for exactly that kind of data manipulation.
Rentahamster
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This should have been a hint:
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/elections/2015/12/21/trump-rally-michigan/77723766/
December 22, 2015
Look at how PoliGAF and HilLGAF acted, beating down dissenting opinions. Hell, at some point people outright stated that they didn't need to work with people in the middle or with Bernie supporters. Pure arrogance and blind belief in the cult of person.
Frustrated_me
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I'm with her!
Stronger together!
Breakdown Barriers!
Meanwhile the other guy is like:
Make America Great Again!
We're going to bring back jobs!
We're going to stop the establishment!
We're self funding this campaign!
These 4 sentences alone probably did it for those turned stated.. All she had to do was go and visit those poor people and listen.
Stronger together!
Breakdown Barriers!
Meanwhile the other guy is like:
Make America Great Again!
We're going to bring back jobs!
We're going to stop the establishment!
We're self funding this campaign!
These 4 sentences alone probably did it for those turned stated.. All she had to do was go and visit those poor people and listen.
Calamari41
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If anybody bothered to read the wikileaks, they would know that this kind of stupid BS was almost all the campaign talked about
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Unknown reasons? Okay, what the fuck?
There's no question that her campaign screwed many things up but are you seriously suggesting that her entire political career was worthless and she didn't do any real work and only got as far as she did through nepotism? Like, seriously?
Apparently not. You gotta resort to mindless populism to get elected. Maybe it wasn't so much hubris, but overconfidence + overestimating the intelligence of people. ¯\_(ツ_/¯
I think it is still too raw. People are latching on to whatever perceived flaws are most prominent (ignoring what looked like the 13th or 14th closest state over the summer) because that's what it looks like the election hinged on.
Instead, she spent time preparing for the debate and trying to expand the electoral map. If she didn't have the most lopsided debate wins in modern history, people would be yelling "Why didn't you do better? Why didn't you prepare more? What a fuckup!" If she focused on only the imaginary Blue Wall, people would be yelling "Why didn't you expand the electoral map? What hubris!"
This is going to take time. She bet on having a comprehensive policy vision and a steady, tempered hand. People instead chose Trump.
LiberalGAF, in general, latches on to narratives not really supported by evidence. I donated to Bernie, I donated to Hillary, but I was one of the few in those last, locked threads, arguing that Trump had a legitimate chance and that professional statisticians actually really did know more than armchair forum statisticians. Liberals are goddamn fantastic and getting complacent. 2000, 2010, 2014, and now 2016. This is way too much of a pattern to blame on candidates, and we rely too much on generational figures.
Really, do we need to pull an Obama out of our ass ever decade to actually win some elections?
As someone not from the US, this fact just blows my mind.
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2008 Obama campaign might have been blindsided as well
He made that tweet back in June first hand. Secondly Obama campaign would have had the fucking numbers. That's what they were fucking good at.
DP's comment seems fool hardy now, and it was probably fool hardy even in June. He wasn't running Hillary's campaign though so I'm not sure what info he was basing that on.
Time/money wasted on states like GA, SC, and Arizona, which were all pipe dreams anyway, could have been spent on MI, WI, PA, and FL where it could have made all the difference.
This is likely oversimplifying, but it seems like the pursuit of a landslide win rather than shoring up the close/winnable states may have cost them the election.
This is likely oversimplifying, but it seems like the pursuit of a landslide win rather than shoring up the close/winnable states may have cost them the election.
It seems like the organisation around HRC was quite dysfunctional.
Already 1 year ago Vanity Fair warned that this could cost HRC the election.
HOW HILLARY CLINTONS LOYAL CONFIDANTS COULD COST HER THE ELECTION
http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/10/hillary-clinton-inside-circle-huma-abedin
Quite long and interesting article.
Already 1 year ago Vanity Fair warned that this could cost HRC the election.
HOW HILLARY CLINTONS LOYAL CONFIDANTS COULD COST HER THE ELECTION
http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/10/hillary-clinton-inside-circle-huma-abedin
Quite long and interesting article.
Democrats (including me!) often look down on people who don't keep up with social changes. Adapting isn't so easy for many people but we label them as homophobes or racists or whatever else instead of talking and listening. I know I was guilty of that a lot through the years. I hope I learned my lesson and I hope the party did, too.
Not everyone on the other side is deplorable, even if it seems that way sometimes. Most are good people who are slower to adjust to change or simply liked when life was easier. They aren't villains but they're treated as such.
Yup. This election has firmly buried the political careers of the Bushes and Clintons. Kind of amazing in hindsight given how folks were joking about Dynasty Warriors: American Politics Edition last year.
Oh they're still acting that way, hop into the community thread and enjoy the nostalgic feeling of undeserved arrogance and being shouted down.
hosannainexcelsis
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After the primaries, I thought that the GOP was a super fragile party that would probably disband in the near future while the Democratic party, despite the conflict Sanders had caused, was still solidly in control of itself and its constituents. I guess I was wrong.
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I tried to tell people on GAF my home state wouldn't be in play for at least another decade. To get back to me in the 2028 presidental election. People tried to tell me GA was already purple. *Rolls Eyes*
You can add the FBI to the list.
Blurting out "Stop the presses! Corrupt Hillary is corrupt!" days before the election before quietly muttering "Whoops, our bad, nevermind" played right into Trump's groundless attacks against Hillary's character, and it's pretty safe to say that the damage from that made the narrow difference between a Hillary Presidency and a Trump Presidency.
Nevermind the fact that the FBI gave a heads-up on the incoming misguided bombshell to the Trump campaign but didn't afford the Clinton campaign that same courtesy.
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