Clinton campaign didn't do tracking polls for the last month, ignored Michigan issues

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Spiritreaver said:
He did an interview on a late night show a couple of weeks after the DNC talking about Trump's supporters. He basically said that he knew what they were going through. He actually talked about them rather passionately. I'm kinda surprised he didn't have more of a voice in the campaign. He was often bused around to areas completely unnoticed by anyone.
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I think he became poison after the sexual assault allegations were levied. Or at least that's how her campaign saw him.
 
Gigglepoo said:
That's why I think someone like Biden or Bernie wouldn't have done any better. People wanted change. Trump's campaign wasn't exactly as inspirational as Obama's, but it was a similar idea: The old regime sucked, let me make your lives better.
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Bernie had his own problem with a dysfunctional campaign. His use of Jeff Weaver as his campaign manager genuinely makes me think he wasn't in it to win it from the start, and that his primary goal was to get his message out there.
 
Bill Clinton stopped in my town in Southern Ohio by himself, granted he just walked through and ate some food. He was here a couple times back in the 90s when he was running. I dont think anyone else from her campaign came here the entire cycle.


Also Obama came here a few times during his Campaigns, so did Romney, so did Mccain so did Bush etc etc.
 
MogCakes said:
Hillary didn't allow Bill much of a voice during the election. Maybe it was her hubris, or a determination to not be seen as his shadow. I wonder what the state of their relationship is.
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Yup, it was totally hubris and had totally had nothing to do with people already claiming she was simply running on the popularity of her husband, or the fact that he had nearly been impeached, or his numerous extramarital transgressions that were sure to (and were) brought up. Pure hubris
 
I hate this so much. It's like they didn't even try. Some of these key states she didn't even visit.

How About No said:
Hey now Trump had a rally in my Wisconsin town and it still voted blue. Aha....ahahaha...
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At least he went to Wisconsin. I bet people from other towns heard about that. It only helps Trump.

Hillary didn't even step foot in the entire state. She could've drove past the state. or donated an organ. Something.
 
Neoweee said:
Bernie had his own problem with a dysfunctional campaign. His use of Jeff Weaver as his campaign manager genuinely makes me think he wasn't in it to win it from the start, and that his primary goal was to get his message out there.
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If he, like so much of the country, thought the GOP was a mess and Clinton was going to be our next president, it makes sense that he would run that tactic. Maybe he wanted to push her further left, was shocked by how much support he got nationally, but was too late to grab the reins.
 
bangbang i'm a timpani said:
of course it was. what did she do late august/most of september when trump was traveling all of the country and doing last minute spontaneous trips to Mexico? I have no idea and most people dont either.
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That was during the period where she was off doing more and more fundraisers. Because raising obscene amounts of money was far more important than actually speaking to the people that you needed to get you elected.
 
So many of us saw this happening in real time. Hillary's fanbase wouldn't hear any of it. Turns out hillary herself wouldn't hear it either.
 
Spiritreaver said:
He did an interview on a late night show a couple of weeks after the DNC talking about Trump's supporters. He basically said that he knew what they were going through. He actually talked about them rather passionately. I'm kinda surprised he didn't have more of a voice in the campaign. He was often bused around to areas completely unnoticed by anyone.
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Probably he was getting shit from Trump. Maybe she wanted to win on her own merit and not help from him.

msdstc said:
So many of us saw this happening in real time. Hillary's fanbase wouldn't hear any of it. Turns out hillary herself wouldn't hear it either.
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It is sad now looking back at all the YAS Queen shit. It was never funny and no one thought either. I told a friend of mine who was a huge Clinton supporter the one main thing that I don't like about her she has no personalty. I got laughed at for that.
 
Gigglepoo said:
That's why I think someone like Biden or Bernie wouldn't have done any better. People wanted change. Trump's campaign wasn't exactly as inspirational as Obama's, but it was a similar idea: The old regime sucked, let me make your lives better.
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Bernie had that exact same message but he was running in a party happier with the status quo. He would've had more appeal in the states Hillary lost that Democrats won in the last 4 elections. Kerry and Gore carried states Hilldawg couldn't.
 
Trump may be a vile PoS, but it's becoming apparent that Clinton really did deserve to lose. I mean what were she and her campaign doing?
 
Torokil said:
In a weird twist I think I hate the Clintons almost as much as all my conservative relatives now

Bill took a sledgehammer to welfare in the 90s and continued the War On Drugs and Hillary just fucking handed the country over to the GOP and lost to FUCKING TRUMP
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Bill's efforts were rational given the time. The welfare thing played too poor working-class whites who rightly or wrongly did not like their tax dollars going to unemployed or underemployed minorities due to Reagan's message in the 80s. The war on drugs continued as gang crime continued to be a big item early in the 90s. That played well to older minorities and white people.

Hillary's gaffes are far less forgiveable cause she was a centrist that made concessions, but she didn't even entertain the thought of placating the white working-class. All the ideas she compromised on amounted to nothing cause she did not want to interact with disaffected poor whites.
 
Funky Papa said:
So did Obama.

It's mystifying.

It's almost as if she thought that the universe had already cast her luck.
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Her campaign reminds me of the 2007 Patriots. Brady laughed before the Super Bowl because he thought the Giants were so beneath him. Trump being a "lousy" candidate (or so we thought) was the worst thing that could happen to her. She might have been stronger and smarter if she ran against someone she respected.

Adam_Vania said:
ah, that's even worse considering Flint's demographics.
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Flint's situation is the presidential race in a nutshell. Dems are in power and did nothing. No one really seemed to care. They wanted real change like so much of the country that's been largely been ignored.
 
UnemployedVillain said:
You realize catchy phrases don't easily translate into actionable decisions, right? You can easily say "expect the unexpected", but when you have limited time and have to put your focus into certain areas and demos, it doesn't help figure out what to do. Polls are suppose to be reliable and data driven, and if you can't rely on them, and can only go based on intuition then...well, it becomes difficult to know what works. Let's say you have a feeling you're not putting enough focus on one state and go after that. How do you validate if your approach is working if you can't trust polling data?
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If you're not to trust polling data you can't validate your approach, you just have to hope that your allocation of time and money to those states are paying off. I wouldn't disregard polling entirely because that isn't feasible but you need to use them as a guide but not a surefire thing to reinforce the idea that states are entirely safe.
 
LegalEagleMike said:
Bill Clinton stopped in my town in Southern Ohio by himself, granted he just walked through and ate some food. He was here a couple times back in the 90s when he was running. I dont think anyone else from her campaign came here the entire cycle.
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Was it a McDonald's?

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RIP Phil Hartman
 
Didn't she practically live in Pennsylvania and she still lost it? Seems like the get out the vote drive was lacking everywhere and all the polls were off so tracking wouldn't have helped much either.

Too many people seemed to not care about this election or felt that she was just as bad as Trump, that's the reality.
 
mugurumakensei said:
Bill's efforts were rational given the time. The welfare thing played too poor working-class whites who rightly or wrongly did not like their tax dollars going to unemployed or underemployed minorities due to Reagan's message in the 80s. The war on drugs continued as gang crime continued to be a big item early in the 90s. That played well to older minorities and white people.

Hillary's gaffes are far less forgiveable cause she was a centrist that made concessions, but she didn't even entertain the thought of placating the white working-class. All the ideas she compromised on amounted to nothing cause she did not want to interact with disaffected poor whites.
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She was the most liberal major party candidate to ever run.
 
Funky Papa said:
So did Obama.

It's mystifying.

It's almost as if she thought that the universe had already cast her luck.
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It is indeed. The DNC as well. You can't lay this just one person. I mean...the epic failure of Hillary and the DNC is one for the record books.
 
Gigglepoo said:
If he, like so much of the country, thought the GOP was a mess and Clinton was going to be our next president, it makes sense that he would run that tactic. Maybe he wanted to push her further left, was shocked by how much support he got nationally, but was too late to grab the reins.
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Game Change 2016 is going to be fascinating. There's at least seven primary campaigns that need a deep dive and four generals.

Primary:
Bernie
Hillary
Trump
Cruz
Jeb
Rubio
Kasich

General:
Hillary
Trump
Johnson
McMullin

Funky Papa said:
So did Obama.

It's mystifying.

It's almost as if she thought that the universe had already cast her luck.
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Or she tried, did a bad job, and expected her surrogates to do it better for her.
 
Gigglepoo said:
That's why I think someone like Biden or Bernie wouldn't have done any better. People wanted change. Trump's campaign wasn't exactly as inspirational as Obama's, but it was a similar idea: The old regime sucked, let me make your lives better.
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Possible. But Bernie was seen as an outsider and Biden wouldn't have ignored the rust belt.
 
How long is it going to take before we run out of excuses and people finally start focusing on the reality that politics has failed and has been failing too many people for too long now.
 
SlimySnake said:
Polls had her up. Blame the polls. Not her.
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1) Internal polling is supposed to be better.

2) They should have been bolstering the relative lack of public polls in the non-Ohio Rust Belt with their own polling.

scotcheggz said:
How long is it going to take before we run out of excuses and people finally start focusing on the reality that politics has failed and has been failing too many people for too long now.
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It worked out for rural whites this time.

Liberal complacency, at all levels, is to blame here.
 
Gigglepoo said:
Plus, only a tiny portion of the population wants a candidate who's more liberal than Obama.
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The idea that she was really a conservative was a bullshit meme propped up by folks like Jimmy Dore down at TYT. This probably helped depress turnout as well, which is a sad thing to think about.
 
I called a sexist and was told my privilege is showing for saying she should have spent more time in Wisconsin on fb.

To some of Hillary's supporters (i am a Hillary supporter) she is immune to any form of criticism to the point of baselessly insulting any one who criticizes her campaign.
 
Mass Effect said:
Trump may be a vile PoS, but it's becoming apparent that Clinton really did deserve to lose. I mean what were she and her campaign doing?
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Yeah the more I read about what went on, the more I get pissed. It seems that they were too confident or maybe didn't care. They didn't even visit some places....and no tracking data for the final month?!? that's the most important month to track.
 
That Hillary hubris

It was her turn. I was neutral on her before, now I actively dislike her for taking the voterbase for granted and letting the sexist devil into the house.
 
SlimySnake said:
Polls had her up. Blame the polls. Not her.
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She lost Wisconsin by less than 30k votes, while losing more than 200k votes that Obama had there. And she never set foot in the state to speak to people even though she managed to take time to speak in Arizona. I'll blame her.
 
Gigglepoo said:
I'm not confident about that happening. I think Trump will do a lot of what he said he would do. As long as his health care replacement isn't a disaster, he might keep this super duper majority for all four years.



It's so ironic that I went from thinking everyone else had to change to realizing that I had to do some growing up as well. I guess that happens when you live (both online and offline) in a progressive bubble.
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Works the other way too, but that's the thing... the world isn't black and white, no matter how hard media and politics try to portray it as such. People are people and they cannot fully be represented in data blocks, no matter how complex the algorithm. People have unique concerns, needs, hopes for the future, etc. And if those needs aren't addressed, or even worse if they are outright dismissed as, um, "deplorable," well then those people will feel disenchanted at best and threatened at worst.

As a minority it hurt me to see some minorities go full-zealot for her to the point that they would shout down individuals just because they weren't on board with the Hillary campaign. It hurts when we're the ones being dismissed as unimportant or lesser, why in the world would we turn around and do that? It only ever makes things worse.

Chariot said:
No, worse. Clinton ran in firm belief that she already won.

Look at this: https://twitter.com/hillaryclinton/status/791263939015376902

Look at it!
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Eh, that's a bad look but I'm tempted to give her the benefit of the doubt and say it was wishful thinking / optimism. Kinda like when candidates say "WHEN I'm elected president" but they don't make it out of the first round of the primaries.
 
Saint Gregory said:
Didn't she practically live in Pennsylvania and she still lost it? Seems like the get out the vote drive was lacking everywhere and all the polls were off so tracking wouldn't have helped much either.

Too many people seemed to not care about this election or felt that she was just as bad as Trump, that's the reality.
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Where in PA though? I'm trying to look back, but it's hard to find where she stopped. Was it just Philadelphia and Pittsburgh?
 
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