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[smokeymicpot]

Polls dont matter much when you completely ignore some states

This. She aimed for her base never branched out. If she did she went for the home run. Need to play small ball. Trump was with the people. Clinton was just on Broad City. It happened it sucks. Only makes us stronger I guess.

 

[Principate]

Polls had her up. Blame the polls. Not her.

Come on now we all heard the exact same shit with the Brexit vote. Only an incompetant person doesn't hedge their bets and relies exclusively on polls.

 

[Rentahamster]

Clinton was a Trump plant

Spoiler

kidding

Let's see!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...b30bb8-3ae3-11e5-b3ac-8a79bc44e5e2_story.html

Former president Bill Clinton had a private telephone conversation in late spring with Donald Trump at the same time that the billionaire investor and reality-television star was nearing a decision to run for the White House, according to associates of both men.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/04/politics/bill-clinton-obamacare-craziest-thing/

Bill Clinton criticized President Barack Obama's signature policy reform Monday while on the stump for his wife, Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton, calling Obamacare "the craziest thing in the world."

http://www.westernjournalism.com/bill-clinton-forgets-his-wifes-campaign-slogan-while-campaigning/

Former President Bill Clinton, now 70-years-old, forgot his wife’s trademark two-word campaign slogan “Stronger Together,” while campaigning for the Democratic nominee in Greenville, N.C. on Tuesday.

“But we were growing together,” he said.

He then shook his finger at the crowd as he again repeated the wrong words.

To make the situation worse for the former president, he made the misstatement as he was standing behind a podium with the correct campaign slogan written on it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...4c4ac8-3fcb-11e6-80bc-d06711fd2125_story.html

No sooner is Hillary Clinton poised to win the nomination of the Democratic Party — and, quite possibly, the presidency — than big ol’ goofy Bill trips all over himself to make this outcome more difficult.

He just can’t help himself, or so it seems. How else can one explain his private conversation with Attorney General Loretta Lynch in the midst of the FBI’s investigation of Hillary Clinton’s use of a personal server for email that included classified information?

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/12/politics/bill-clinton-charlie-rose-hillary-clinton-health/

Former President Bill Clinton says Hillary Clinton has a history of occasionally becoming severely dehydrated and suffering "the same sort of thing" she experienced when she stumbled leaving an event Sunday.

Spoiler

kidding

 

[UnemployedVillain]

She was liberal on a lot of social issues yes. However, she's pro-trade, center on regulatory issues, and hawkish when it comes to war.

Lol, where exactly does "hawkish" fall on the left right political spectrum? Pro-trade definitely leans liberal and she had many of the same regulatory policies as Sanders

 

[Rentahamster]

Was it a McDonald's?

Spoiler

RIP Phil Hartman

Warlords

 

[Chariot]

Polls had her up. Blame the polls. Not her.

awhy are you still defending her? No reason to keep the facade up. Polls had her up. So what? She was arrogant to rest on that instead of continuing working for the vote of some states. She took them for granted and the people there voted for the candidate that they actually got to see.

 

[guek]

Were you not alive when the Republicans had to run in 2008 with the economy collapsing around them after eight years of Bush?

Trump as an easy opponent and a dangerous leader do not compare in the slightest to McCain or Romney. I'd take either of those bleached assholes over this orange one.

 

[Phu]

The campaign spent the lion's share of their resources in Florida, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, Nevada, and North Carolina and managed to win the two least important of them. No one saw Michigan and Wisconsin coming, no poll predicted it. I don't see how the blame for that can be laid squarely at the campaign's feet.

Bernie closed a 20+ point gap in the Michigan primaries and took the win. The biggest poll blunder in decades. There is no excuse for not taking it seriously for the GE.

 

[gogosox82]

Andthereitis. gif

How she doesn't go to Michigan and Wisconsin after getting beat there (and she got destroyed by Bernie in Wisconsin) in the primaries is beyond me. Just nothing but pure hubris by Hilary and her team.

 

[UnemployedVillain]

This. She aimed for her base never branched out. If she did she went for the home run. Need to play small ball. Trump was with the people. Clinton was just on Broad City. It happened it sucks. Only makes us stronger I guess.

You've got it somewhat backwards I think. She tried expanding out, going for the landslide, and ignored her perceived based, places that had reliably voted Democrat (like PA)

 

[Chococat]

Trump may be a vile PoS, but it's becoming apparent that Clinton really did deserve to lose. I mean what were she and her campaign doing?

Naw, liberals deserved to lose because they are too complacent. Obama got in because he was an exciting once in a life-time leader. And liberal failed Obama at the midterms.

Liberals thought they have all the votes and luxury to turn their own candidates into bitter enemies. Bernie people thought they had it in the back and failed Bernie when he needed them the most- at the polls.

Hillary- love or hate her- was only champion of liberal ideas you could vote for this term. She took on most of Bernie's platform and it still wasn't enough. And we let Trump take the election because of "principles".

Good job liberals. We got the leaders we deserved. Trump.

 

[Miletius]

Reminds me of the podcast I listened to yesterday. Said that Clinton was "complacent" in and that she tried a strategy of "running out the clock" in the final weeks of the campaign, convinced that if she said nothing that people would vote for her because the alternative was too horrid.

Well, turns out, the alternative wasn't horrid enough for her to employ such a pathetic strategy. She had all the advantages -- money, backing of the punditry and the aristocracy, the "amazing" ground game, organizational help from people who ran the Obama campaign, and she still couldn't deliver. It's disgusting and pathetic. And now we pay for it.

 

[StrategyFan]

Polls had her up. Blame the polls. Not her.

the polls only put her slightly ahead in actual voting.

extrapolated, that might have meant a high probability of winning the EC, but there was too much at stake to just play it safe

if she actually tried, there would be no reason to blame her. but apparently, she didn't think it was important enough.

at least she had the decency to apologize. i guess that's something...

 

[DICKS AHOY]

but neogaf told me senator sanders was a jerk

This party needs to be completely reshaped and I'm absolutely behind Sanders being the one who leads that charge. I don't have the hugest hate boner for the Clintons here but they need to go. Now.

 

[bud23]

It was Hillary's destiny to be president.

The fact that she will NEVER be the president of the United States makes me think it wasn´t

 

[guek]

Polls had her up. Blame the polls. Not her.

No.

 

[DrSlek]

Yeah the more I read about what went on, the more I get pissed. It seems that they were too confident or maybe didn't care. They didn't even visit some places....and no tracking data for the final month?!? that's the most important month to track.

Compared to Obama's campaign it's becoming apparent that hers was a total mess, despite all of the outward hubris. I recall that both of Obamas campaigns used metrics from the internet and polls, as well as internal polling, to narrow down which way almost every county would vote in 2008 and 2012. He knew exactly where he needed to go and what he needed to say to the people in those areas.

With the enormous cash reserves her campaign had, how the hell did they not copy a campaign strategy that worked twice before!?

 

[Chococat]

How she doesn't go to Michigan ...

Please stop saying this. I've said twice now in this thread Michigan got blitzed in the last few weeks by Hillary and surrogate. In Michigan, the problem was not coming here, but not reaching out to the rural areas. Most place were to shore up support from the existing base.

 

[ErasureAcer]

She did send Bernie on her behalf as a surrogate to WI, MI. Maybe his appearances would have been enough had he been VP.

 

[teruterubozu]

Polls had her up. Blame the polls. Not her.

I don't even understand what this means. That's why people stayed home? Cuz of the polls?

 

[smokeymicpot]

You've got it somewhat backwards I think. She tried expanding out, going for the landslide, and ignored her perceived based, places that had reliably voted Democrat (like PA)

Oh shit just realized what I said. I feel dumb now.

 

[mugurumakensei]

Naw, liberals deserved to lose because they are too complacent. Obama got in because he was an exciting once in a life-time leader. And liberal failed Obama at the midterms.

Huh? By the time the 2010 midterms came around, the DNC was mostly controlled by Clinton surrogates and former '08 campaigners.

 

[Neoweee]

Huh? By the time the 2010 midterms came around, the DNC was mostly controlled by Clinton surrogates and former '08 campaigners.

Liberals and the Democratic Party aren't just the national committee. Any of us that didn't canvas, donate, or call carry some blame for this disaster.

 

[Thunder Monkey]

Where does it say that the campaign was aware of trouble in the rust belt? I didn't see anyone saying that prior to the election outside of Ohio.

I'd been mentioning among friends that Trumps populist rhetoric might find some strength in the rustbelt... but I honestly didn't think it'd work in this election. But given the numbers... he didn't exactly do as good as Romney in the rustbelt. Clinton just under-performed to an insane degree.

This ended up being a psychotic clusterfuck. I thought most dems would come home. A lot of them didn't.

I don't know who to blame for that in particular. So... as much as I like her... it comes down to Hillary and her organization.

They fucked up, and now we pay for it.

Lets hope he's more Nixon than Hitler. Just corrupt. Not a violent murderous sociopath. His past rhetoric... well it's not exactly encouraging.

 

[Sirpopopop]

Bernie lost the primary to Clinton.

So what does that say about Bernie that he lost to such an apparently "inferior" candidate?

There probably was a better candidate than Clinton, but it wasn't the guy who lost to her.

Honestly, Trump didn't have a ground game. He didn't have a media blitz. He didn't play this by traditional rules at all.

This election was a repudiation of the past 8 years. It was the product of apathy by a fair amount of the Democratic base. The key is figuring out how to fire those people up. A lot of those people had preconceived notions of Clinton that weren't changed by seeing her on TV during the debates. What makes people think they would have changed by the fact that a rally happened near them?

 

[ZOONAMI]

She did send Bernie on her behalf as a surrogate to WI, MI. Maybe his appearances would have been enough had he been VP.

Bernie as the VP and we would not be sitting here contemplating this today.

Hell even Biden as consecutive vp we wouldn't be.

 

[Tertullian]

It was Hillary's destiny to be president.

Now I'm expecting a GIF of Locke getting told he can't go on his Walkabout, with Hillary's face photoshopped on and dialogue about rust-belt votes...

 

[Vandiger]

God nightmare fuel, thank you asses.

 

[Goodstyle]

Bernie lost the primary to Clinton.

So what does that say about Bernie that he lost to such an apparently "inferior" candidate?

He had Jeff Weaver as a campaign manager and made a series of boneheaded decision. People are imagining a perfect candidate Bernie alt-dimension because they're having trouble coping with what happened. Not that I blame them.

 

[phanphare]

good lord what an incompetent campaign through and through

almost makes me embarrassed I voted for her

 

[smokeymicpot]

Bernie as the VP and we would not be sitting here contemplating this today.

Hell even Biden as consecutive vp we wouldn't be.

I honestly doubted a Berine VP but it could have worked.

 

[Chococat]

Huh? By the time the 2010 midterms came around, the DNC was mostly controlled by Clinton surrogates and former '08 campaigners.

I'm talking the voters. Liberal voters don't show up during midterms.

The DNC does have it faults, but that doesn't take away from voters not stepping up on during their part when it comes time to vote.

"My fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country."

It is the same with campaigns. Some in one of these threads post how depress liberal voting was for Hillary compared to Obama. Allot are choosing to just blame Hillary. I blame both her and the liberal voters. They stayed home- we lost.

 

[dr3upmushroom]

GAF turning faster on Hillary than Hannity did on Romney 4 years ago!

Watching a party eat it's own is fascinating.

Not all of gaf was on the hilldawg train, they just drowned out everyone and demonized Bernie.

 

[guek]

Bernie lost the primary to Clinton.

So what does that say about Bernie that he lost to such an apparently "inferior" candidate?

Fuck off with this false dichotomy

What does it say about Clinton that she lost to Donald Trump of all people?

Bernie and Clinton did not start the race from the same position. Bernie was not able to catch Clinton but he was also working off a massive disadvantage from every angle and he still made her work for that win. Clinton had a massive advantage going into the contests against both Bernie and especially Trump and she bumbled when it mattered most.

 

[Bowdz]

Jesus Christ, what the fuck were they thinking?!? Sign me up on the completely rebuild the DNC train.

 

[Chococat]

Not all of gaf was on the hilldawg train, they just drowned out everyone and demonized Bernie.

Not all GAF cared about liberal principles, they just wanted Hillary or Bernie to win.

Congratulations. We got Trump.

 

[HammerOfThor]

1948 strikes again.

Excuse my ignorance, but what happened in '48?

 

[Averon]

The only positive I'm getting out of this election is that Hilary--and the Clintons in general--are now toxic with liberals and Democrats. Their strangle hold on the Democratic party--even during Obama's time in office--is at an end.

So now maybe new people with new ideas will come to right this sinking ship called the Democratic party.

 

[Chaos2Frozen]

Americans sure make a lot of excuses to justify not voting for the more qualified person for the job.

Do you need to be reached out and pampered every step of the way just to make the right decisions in life?

Stop trying to push blame.

 

[mercenar1e]

her husband went through an election.. she went through 2 primaries. how did this happen? her and the team aren't amateurs.

 

[msdstc]

Bernie lost the primary to Clinton.

So what does that say about Bernie that he lost to such an apparently "inferior" candidate?

There probably was a better candidate than Clinton, but it wasn't the guy who lost to her.

Honestly, Trump didn't have a ground game. He didn't have a media blitz. He didn't play this by traditional rules at all.

This election was a repudiation of the past 8 years. It was the product of apathy by a fair amount of the Democratic base. The key is figuring out how to fire those people up. A lot of those people had preconceived notions of Clinton that weren't changed by seeing her on TV during the debates. What makes people think they would have changed by the fact that a rally happened near them?

Are we pretending the DNC wasn't caught fixing this against him still?

 

[Chezzymann]

And yet all the while, we fell all over ourselves talking about how organized the Clinton camp was compared to Trump's disorganized mess of a ground campaign.

It's almost as if we make up these narratives out of thin air to suit the reality that we want to believe in.

The fact of the matter was that trump was doing rallies every day, multiple times a day, for the final month while Clinton didn't do anywhere near as many. He went all out and got rewarded. His Minnesota rally doesn't seem that crazy now even though he lost there.

 

[Rentahamster]

Excuse my ignorance, but what happened in '48?

 

[Baron Aloha]

Fuck off with this false dichotomy

What does it say about Clinton that she lost to Donald Trump of all people?

Bernie and Clinton did not start the race from the same position. Bernie was not able to catch Clinton but he was also working off a massive disadvantage from every angle and he still made her work for that win. Clinton had a massive advantage going into the contests against both Bernie and especially Trump and she bumbled when it mattered most.

Well said. I'd also add that the party had its finger on the scale.

Excuse my ignorance, but what happened in '48?

Dewey/Truman

 

[numble]

Kind of reposting, information I looked up to respond to a PoliGaf post:

This was Clinton's schedule in late August:
http://www.p2016.org/clinton/clintoncal0816.html
August 18 - New York, NY
August 19 - Martha's Vineyard, MA
August 20 - Nantucket, MA, Martha's Vineyard, MA
August 21 - Provincetown, MA, Osterville, MA
August 22 - Beverly Hills, CA
August 23 - Los Angeles, CA, Laguna Beach, CA, Piedmont, CA
August 24 - Redwood City, CA, Los Altos, CA, Woodside, CA
August 25 - Reno, NV
August 26 - None
August 27 - White Plains, NY
August 28 - Sag Harbor, NY, Southampton, NY, Bridgehampton, NY
August 29 - East Hampton, NY, Quogue, NY
August 30 - Sagaponack, NY, North Haven, NY
August 31 - Cincinnati, OH


This was Obama's schedule in the same period in 2008:
https://www2.gwu.edu/~action/2008/obama/obamacal0808.html
August 18 - Albuquerque, NM
August 19 - Orlando, FL, Raleigh, NC
August 20 - Greensboro, NC, Martinsville, VA, Danville, VA, Lynchburg, VA
August 21 - Richmond, VA, Chester, VA, Petersburg, VA, Emporia, VA, Chesapeake, VA
August 22 - Chicago, IL
August 23 - Springfield, IL
August 24 - Eau Claire, WI
August 25 - Davenport, IA, Kansas City, MO
August 26 - Kansas City, MO
August 27 - Billings, MT, Denver, CO
August 28 - Denver, CO
August 29 - Monaca, PA, Aliquippa, PA, Beaver, PA
August 30 - Boardman, OH, Cleveland, OH, Marengo, OH, Dublin, OH
August 31 - Lima, OH, Toledo, OH, Hamilton, IN, Battle Creek, MI

 

[PandaShake]

This isn't your everyday hubris. This is...advanced hubris.

 

[ZOONAMI]

The fact of the matter was that trump was doing rallies every day, multiple times a day, for the final month while Clinton didn't do anywhere near as many. He went all out and got rewarded. His Minnesota rally doesn't seem that crazy now even though he lost there.

MN was waaaaaaaaayy closer than I expected it to be. Live in MN.

 

[orthodoxy1095]

These kinds of post are odd when not just her campaign, but the vast majority of the media, pollsters and users thought she would have an easy win. A number of these reactions, while understandably angry, are essentially trying to rewrite history to pretend everything that went wrong was obvious when if it was so obvious it wouldn't have happened.

The lack of outreach to working class white people in the Rust Belt was something that should've been done, but then we get into a discussion of to what level? How to allocate attention towards them, with the hopes of chipping away some of their votes, versus other more likely demos in hopes of further solidifying leads?

Suburban voters in Pittsburgh and Philly were the demos they needed to solidify leads with?

Please.

 

[ZOONAMI]

Kind of reposting, information I looked up to respond to a PoliGaf post:

This was Clinton's schedule in late August:
http://www.p2016.org/clinton/clintoncal0816.html
August 18 - New York, NY
August 19 - Martha's Vineyard, MA
August 20 - Nantucket, MA, Martha's Vineyard, MA
August 21 - Provincetown, MA, Osterville, MA
August 22 - Beverly Hills, CA
August 23 - Los Angeles, CA, Laguna Beach, CA, Piedmont, CA
August 24 - Redwood City, CA, Los Altos, CA, Woodside, CA
August 25 - Reno, NV
August 26 - None
August 27 - White Plains, NY
August 28 - Sag Harbor, NY, Southampton, NY, Bridgehampton, NY
August 29 - East Hampton, NY, Quogue, NY
August 30 - Sagaponack, NY, North Haven, NY
August 31 - Cincinnati, OH


This was Obama's schedule in the same period in 2008:
https://www2.gwu.edu/~action/2008/obama/obamacal0808.html
August 18 - Albuquerque, NM
August 19 - Orlando, FL, Raleigh, NC
August 20 - Greensboro, NC, Martinsville, VA, Danville, VA, Lynchburg, VA
August 21 - Richmond, VA, Chester, VA, Petersburg, VA, Emporia, VA, Chesapeake, VA
August 22 - Chicago, IL
August 23 - Springfield, IL
August 24 - Eau Claire, WI
August 25 - Davenport, IA, Kansas City, MO
August 26 - Kansas City, MO
August 27 - Billings, MT, Denver, CO
August 28 - Denver, CO
August 29 - Monaca, PA, Aliquippa, PA, Beaver, PA
August 30 - Boardman, OH, Cleveland, OH, Marengo, OH, Dublin, OH
August 31 - Lima, OH, Toledo, OH, Hamilton, IN, Battle Creek, MI

Completely insane how much time she was spending in NY and CA.

It's like her campaign forgot about the electoral college.

 

[IsntChrisL]

The Democrats really had their heads up their asses this time. The arrogance on display from the people running her campaign and the voters that laughed away valid criticisms... it's insane because it was all based on coasting to victory via assumptions that the rest of the country agrees with you.