Sony X800D well - reviewed, 4k+HDR TV with low input lag
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I think the hype behind HDR is totally justified.
Tho i cant go back to 1080p on Forza even with HDR. haha.
Game is awesome looking tho.
HDR mode does allow you to change this setting from the brightness default value of 50 (Max) to whatever you want it on. The value can depend on your room lighting conditions. Brighter rooms require more backlight, dim rooms less backlight for optimal PQ. So SDR backlight and HDR backlight can be set independently.
Have you tried Infamous Second Son or are you only judging these sets performance on ND games? In no way shape or form should ISS look washed out with HDR on. Its a fantastic implementation. ND HDR, not as good. Ot does appear that they have raised the overall picture luminance which is not how HDR is supposed to work.
Uh no. Black level sets black level. Black level may be set by eye using a se-up disc like the one I have previously linked to. The default value nails it on my set and did not need to be adjusted. Most TV manufactures do call this brightness, because in the old days there was no way to decouple the backlight from the black level.
Contrast sets the white level.
The brightness sets the back light luminance (intensity). Adjusting this to 1 or Min is good for a dim/dark room as it ensures those inky blacks.
1st set backlight, then black level and contrast.
Make sure you are in game mode.
I don't know, this TV does beautiful things with a 1080p signal too. I'm shocked at how well it upscales!
Not typical for Sony, from what I have seen so far.
It is NA wide Sony pricing. So unless Sony discounts, no deals by any retailers, similar to what Apple does.
inFAMOUS looks great. Everything else looks kinda trash. The issue is that a lot of games on PS4 Pro don't really tell you whether HDR is being implemented or not.. Obviously you can look based on changing HDR auto to on/off but it's still unintuitive.
I swear you said in an earlier post that black level controlled brightness on this set.
That must be the issue. I'm playing in a pitch black room with no windows. Should brightness be set closer to 1-10 on both SDR and HDR or is 50 what it should be on for a DIM room. I guess I'm still looking for clarity as currently, outside of inFAMOUS, everything looks washed out and not vibrant in the slightest.. It was the same when playing in the Sony offices too.
It really does! Specially when the XB1S scales things to 4k. But native 4k is just so much more crisp and nice.
Im excited to get home and hook up the Pro already.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
How do you turn on 4K HDR? Trying to play Ratchet on the Pro and it says only 2k is enabled.
KenPokesBarbie
Banned
Could be a number of things..first thing I would try is going to settings menu on the tv, click external inputs and change hdmi signal format to enhance 4k.
I love you, I've been bashing my head against a wall all night trying to figure this out
Eeeeeeexcellent.
Hopefully I can get one on Black Friday, and gonna play FH3 and replay Gears 4 in HDR. Awww yiss.
Modern Warfare Remastered is supposed to receive an HDR patch as well, right?
I'm curious about this too, but I probably won't be able to get it for another 3 months or so
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
I'm probably just really dumb, but how do you get to settings? Apparently the "action menu" button on the remote is not that, and I can't find the button on the TV itself.
Edit: Nvm, I got it.
I've been trying to figure this out for the past two hours...
I can't figure out where the settings are for the life of me.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Home button brings up an Android-like menu, keep scrolling down for a Settings box. It also took me two hours to figure out.
Black level controls the lowest (darkest) end of the luminance spectrum.
Most TV sets call this setting brightness.
Its just the terminology used, and Sony is using the most accurate terminology, older TV's and monitors used a rather misleading term, brightness, instead of black level.
My dim room backlight setting for SDR is 1. I also mostly play in a dim room, but I typically do have the backlight (brightness) set higher for HDR. I think you will see that dropping the backlight on UC4 will not fix the image being 'washed out'. That needs to get patched, IMO. On that note, I think it has not been mastered properly. A proper HDR image certainly should not wash out the picture, the average luminance should remain basically the same. This is not the case with UC4.
I don't have a method of calibrating for HDR yet, although a gaffer did mention that Spectral has recently released a cal disc. OFC, I don't use SpectraCal I use HCFR.
inFAMOUS has a really good HDR implementation. Uncharted, et. al. do not have as good of an HDR presentation as inFAMOUS. If inFAMOUS looks great (it does), your HDR set-up is fine.
Remember, the HDR i mastered by the dev. It has to be created, so some devs will just do better than others. Not all implementations will be equal, and hopefully, some will get patched or improve.
sabertoothzombie
Member
I'm trying to decide between this, the KS8000, and the Sony X850D. This seems like the better choice cost wise, but I was hoping for bigger than 49 inches.
Gunslinger
Member
Finally got to try out my PS4 pro today. And can confirm the HDR doesn't look washed out no more. In fact it looks amazing. I guess it could be the ps4 didn't have a HDMI 2.0 input. Therefore HDR looked washed. But ratchet and clank looks fantastic now with 4k upscaled and HDR..
Did you switch to the cable that came with the Pro? Maybe it was the cable.
Gunslinger
Member
Nah i am still using my old cable.
this is the cable i usehttps://www.amazon.com/HDMI-Cable-6ft-Connectors-PlayStation/dp/B00NQ9OQU2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1478838599&sr=8-1-spons&keywords=hdmi+4k+cable&psc=1
Ok now I've got my Pro. Playing Rachet and Clank and Imfamous first light mainly to check out the HDR.
As far as the Pro and this 4K set go the games look great looks insanely crisps and almost total elimination of "jaggies". But I'm more interested in the HDR and I have to say.........It looks OK. Was sort of expecting more of a POP. Was able to compare it better in First light as you can toggle it off and on pretty quick in the menus.
I stood in front of a car at night. With HDR off the head light reflection off the pavement was more of a white smear with not much detail with in that white smear. With HDR on the the headlight was had a thin white smear in the middle of the beam with subtler transition from light to dark where you can see more detail in the surface of the road. Just a bit disappointed the bright parts of the headlights or the powers weren't noticeable brighter.
As far as the Pro and this 4K set go the games look great looks insanely crisps and almost total elimination of "jaggies". But I'm more interested in the HDR and I have to say.........It looks OK. Was sort of expecting more of a POP. Was able to compare it better in First light as you can toggle it off and on pretty quick in the menus.
I stood in front of a car at night. With HDR off the head light reflection off the pavement was more of a white smear with not much detail with in that white smear. With HDR on the the headlight was had a thin white smear in the middle of the beam with subtler transition from light to dark where you can see more detail in the surface of the road. Just a bit disappointed the bright parts of the headlights or the powers weren't noticeable brighter.
Got it to pop a bit more bumped the gamma from 0 to 2. Plus a few other smaller tweaks. The last of us left behind title screen with the sunny window noticed a big difference realistically brighter and more detail. When toggling HDR on and off.
Got the wife to check it out and she too noticed a big difference. Quite happy now with this set and the Pro.
Got the wife to check it out and she too noticed a big difference. Quite happy now with this set and the Pro.
EU model name is XD80##.
AlexFlame116
Member
So I have the Pro and I'm trying to check my resolution but it says that HDR is not supported. Which is weird cause the 800D should have HDR. Is there a solution to this???
Shin-Ra
Junior Member
R&C's HDR looks the same for me on the 43" on PS4 and PS4 Pro.
Have you set brightness (backlight) and contrast (white level) to max?
If you find the brightness too fatiguing in certain games, you can reduce them a bit.
Shin-Ra
Junior Member
Turn on HDMI Enhanced Format.
http://helpguide.sony.net/tv/caep1/v1/en/contents/TP0000848059.html
Press the HOME button, then select [Settings] — [External inputs] — [HDMI signal format] — [Enhanced format]
and make sure the PS4's connected to HDMI input 2 or 3.
Enable Enhanced HDMI in the TV settings and make sure to connect the Pro to HDMI 2 or 3
E: b10
AlexFlame116
Member
Thanks I'll try that. Does it matter on which input the Pro is connected to or if it's connected to PSVR?
Yeah, the Pro can't be routed through the PSVR breakout box if you want HDR. You need to connect the Pro directly to the TV to be able to send an HDR signal.
AlexFlame116
Member
Oh ok. So only connect to the PSVR when I want to use it then.
Lots of reviews seem to criticise the HDR because the TV doesn't have decent local dimming. While they might be right when comparing to much more expensive sets, does it still look decent in HDR mode? I'd expect the black level to go a bit grey but that is probably OK during bright moments.
AlexFlame116
Member
It worked! I have HDR enabled! Thanks guys! Now to find out which game to test it with.
Shin-Ra
Junior Member
It's obvious that black is off-black when the scene you're watching has very little brightness to contrast with it, much like non-HDR displays. It's more unusual, and surprising to see how bright tiny groups of pixels can get for embers rising in smoke, neon particles etc.
You just want the black loading screens to go away quickly!
ScherzoPrime
Member
Uh, the information screen is saying my TV only supports 2K HDR. Have I done something wrong? Have my TV settings set to Automatic on HDR.
Please read what has been posted above in regards to Enhanced HDMI and try again.
Well given that HDR relies on local dimming in order to be "HDR" (before talking about WCG) , it's a really fair criticism to have.
Another good example of why people shouldn't be buying TVs until they better understand what they are buying!
ScherzoPrime
Member
...Why wouldn't HDMI 1 support full HDR? That is insane
Well given that HDR relies on local dimming in order to be "HDR" (before talking about WCG) , it's a really fair criticism to have.
Another good example of why people shouldn't be buying TVs until they better understand what they are buying!
How can I play HDR videos on windows?
I tried MPC-HC but I don´t get the HDR Symbol at [Action Menu] -> [Picture] on the right side.(Is there any other way to find the HDR information?)
When i put the video on the USB stick, plug it into the TV and play it with the Video App I get the HDR Signal....and daaamn this looks awesoooome =D really different from normal 4K content.
I use the Xbox One cable that came with it, cause its the only HDMI 2.0 I have right now.
HDMI2 on the TV with enhanced Format.
43XD8005 (european/austrian version)
GTX1070
In the Nvidia Control Panel I have
3840x2160
8bit
RGB full
I can´t select 10 bit, even when I switch to YUV 4:2:0
Is this a proper configuration?
Any suggestions?
PS: The TV is awesome, everything is so freaking crisp =D
except the Steam interface xD
I tried MPC-HC but I don´t get the HDR Symbol at [Action Menu] -> [Picture] on the right side.(Is there any other way to find the HDR information?)
When i put the video on the USB stick, plug it into the TV and play it with the Video App I get the HDR Signal....and daaamn this looks awesoooome =D really different from normal 4K content.
I use the Xbox One cable that came with it, cause its the only HDMI 2.0 I have right now.
HDMI2 on the TV with enhanced Format.
43XD8005 (european/austrian version)
GTX1070
In the Nvidia Control Panel I have
3840x2160
8bit
RGB full
I can´t select 10 bit, even when I switch to YUV 4:2:0
Is this a proper configuration?
Any suggestions?
PS: The TV is awesome, everything is so freaking crisp =D
except the Steam interface xD
Aztechnology
Member
The KS8000 doesn't have great local dimming, but the difference between HDR and non HDR is mind boggling. It doesn't look decent, it looks phenomenal.
Pankratous
Member
Anybody?
I'm looking for a 49" 4K Sony TV with HDR with low input lag. Looking at the some test results on RTINGS the Sony X700D range seems like it might be good for low input lag at 4K HDR.
Does anyone know what the model number of this TV is in the UK/Europe?
I think the US model number is XBR49X700D but I can't find out what it is in the UK. Is the Sony KD49XD7005 the equivalent or is that the same as the US' X800 range (or something else)?
Does anyone know what the model number of this TV is in the UK/Europe?
I think the US model number is XBR49X700D but I can't find out what it is in the UK. Is the Sony KD49XD7005 the equivalent or is that the same as the US' X800 range (or something else)?
ScherzoPrime
Member
700 series is not HDR compatible.
Don't bother trying to get this to work. Most comfy way is to run a plex server on your PC and stream the video to the TV. I think it's impossible to get HDR video playing on Windows right now.
ScherzoPrime
Member
Thanks for the help getting HDR to work by the way; any games I should try it on? I dunno if any of this seasons shooters beside IW support it.