Nobody is dismissing his opinion, that's why I listen to Common Sense, so that I can understand the opinion of Neo-Independents like him.
Donald J. Trump elected 45th President of the United States
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Nobody is dismissing his opinion, that's why I listen to Common Sense, so that I can understand the opinion of Neo-Independents like him.
I remember this prediction or something like it. I think there was some fortune teller or someone in mexico who apparently does this too and got Trump as well
Bruce Springsteen
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you work at an SNL skit?
If they weren't offended by Trumps own rhetoric, if they weren't offended by his sexual harassment, if they weren't offended by his blatant Islamophobia, his defense of racist practices, his lack of denouncing the white supremacists that supported him, his inciting to violence, his latent misogyny, his petty childish arguments, his overall character...
why would somebody telling his supporters to "stop being racist/hateful" all of a sudden become a major civil rights violation?
ElectricBlanketFire
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It was more like Michael Scott.
Pretty sure the election's voter numbers were very, very normal. US voter turnout typically hovers around 50%.
Obama was an oddity in that he pulled higher voter turnout than others. Previous elections had unusually high turnouts, closer to 60%
So, the problem was that Democrats didn't bother to vote really.
So 1/4 of the country voted Hillary, 1/4 voted Trump, nobody else felt it was worth it.
Bruce Springsteen
Member
Clinton never recovered from that deplorable lines. I know independent voters who weren't going to vote decide to vote for Trump just because they were offended but that kind of generalization
paperboywriter
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just wanted to show this again:
Trump in the White House: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2z-8YORoyI
Donald Trump's acceptance speech: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-smetnW-k28
Now compare: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbdOsMeVrLw
That's how Trump looks like in his post election appearances.
This is not how winners look like. He didn't ask for this.
Trump in the White House: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2z-8YORoyI
Donald Trump's acceptance speech: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-smetnW-k28
Now compare: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbdOsMeVrLw
That's how Trump looks like in his post election appearances.
This is not how winners look like. He didn't ask for this.
Bruce Springsteen
Member
*south park reference*
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Clinton later regretted and apologized, you know...like an actual human being and rational person.
Trump doubles down on his hate, his lies, and then straight out denies things he's said on video just seconds after he already said them.
calling someone out for being a racist piece of shit, or being a sexist pig isnt all of a sudden going to make them sympathetic because of their candidate won.
You're telling people to tuck their tails between their legs, and suck it up whenever they experience the vitriol and hate, the injustice they see right before their eyes and move on like it's just a fact of life now because maybe the racist asshole screaming "Kill all Niggers" on facebook doesnt like being called a racist scumbag.
No and fuck that line of thinking.
A few random thoughts from a career journalist (and bleeding-heart liberal) thoroughly bamboozled by what happened here.
I think Trump's upset is a combination of several factors (many of which I'm sure have been brought up here or elsewhere, but I'll say them regardless):
1) People wanted a change candidate. Or rather, someone who is not establishment. Exit polls suggest a decent sampling of voters don't think Trump is fit to be POTUS. And yet he was still preferable to Clinton, a former first lady, senator and secretary of state with close ties to Wall Street. As a former reality TV star, Trump seems more relatable to the everyman. He appears to be outside the realm of politics, and thus the establishment.
Of course, the reality is that Trump IS the establishment — its driving force and greatest beneficiary. Many politicians work at the beck and call of their wealthiest backers. Trump is a billionaire who probably couldn't tell you the price of a gallon of milk, let alone someone who is going to take to heart the plight of the working poor. The law — and its loopholes — are written for elites like him.
2) I've heard it said that the media made the mistake of taking Trump literally but not seriously, while half of voters took Trump seriously, but not literally. In other words, many of his supporters believe he's a bullshit artist; he talks a big game, hence his shocking proclamations, but it's mostly theatrics. Sure, a good chunk of them think he really will try to ban Muslims and build a wall against Mexico (and mind you, he may indeed do this), but others don't. What they all take seriously, though, is the underlying sentiment: Trump's belief that illegal immigrants, or immigrants from Islamic countries, lead to trouble.
And this connected with voters... despite the fact that a Trump presidency plays straight into the hands of terrorists. After all, what better way for ISIS to recruit terrorists than for America to elect a president who appears to be waging war on Islam? There's a reason jihadist websites are celebrating.
3) Voters wanted to tell liberals "Fuck you." Simply put, they felt judged. Many of them are not racists, sexist, etc, at least not in their own minds... even though they were enabling a racist, a sexist, etc. Many were holding their nose and voting for Trump simply because they've been indoctrinated with the belief (thanks to decades of conservative-led character assassination of the Clintons) that his rival is corrupt. They were, in their minds, picking the lesser of two evils. That, coupled with the belief for many of them that Trump's wildest proclamations were simply that of a bullshit artist (see point #1) made them favor Trump — and when liberals told them they were evil or hateful people for doing so, they felt judged, and nobody likes to feel judged. So, they pushed back.
4) Voters may have lied to pollsters. I worried that voters may have been lying since they didn't want to own up to supporting Trump... but at the time I comforted myself with the notion that perhaps it was like 2012, where Republicans dismissed Obama's strong polling performance as people not wanting to appear racist. But then Obama won and it turned out the polling was accurate. So I thought, if the polls were accurate then, surely they must be accurate now. But again, people felt judged, and so people didn't show their true colors until they cast their vote in the privacy of the polling booth.
In a way, places like our beloved forum are to blame. We didn't see the smoke, let alone the fire, because we drove underground anyone who showed a hint of what we perceived to be racism, sexism, etc. Those things are reprehensible, for sure... but if we only judge and never listen — if we assume there's no dialogue to be had and no minds to be changed, or hearts to be softened, because we assume every disagreeable person is forever unchangeable and disagreeable — then we're just driving bad attitudes underground, where they breed and multiply like roaches, creeping back to the surface in greater numbers. I think many of us liberals were lulled into a sense of complacency by the comforting echo chamber we had created for ourselves... and so a number among us didn't fight as hard.
The thing that really grinds my gears are the people who didn't vote, or who threw away their vote on a third-party candidate. I'm sure many of us know someone who voted for Jill Stein or Gary Johnson simply because they were neither Clinton nor Trump, while at the time saying "I know Trump is the worst but I can 'vote my conscience' and take the 'principled position' voting third-party since Hillary will win anyways." How wrong they were.
And then the people who didn't vote, among them Latinos, according to exit polls, and a depressed black vote. People like one of my best friends, a black man with a college degree who is underemployed working a low-wage job, who figured Hillary is better but she's no Barack Obama, so he'll just sit this one out and trust Hillary wins. The working poor and minorities who were most vulnerable just didn't turn out the way they should've, and I think in many cases it's because they thought Hillary would win. I mean, when the SNL skit of the third presidential debate has Tom Hanks as Chris Wallace telling Alec Baldwin as Donald Trump that, "Sir, you're probably going to lose," and when TIME Magazine is running a cover of Donald Trump's melting face ("Total meltdown"), it's easy for us to jump to conclusions. But it's painful to see society's most vulnerable minorities just leave it to chance.
Sigh.
I think Trump's upset is a combination of several factors (many of which I'm sure have been brought up here or elsewhere, but I'll say them regardless):
1) People wanted a change candidate. Or rather, someone who is not establishment. Exit polls suggest a decent sampling of voters don't think Trump is fit to be POTUS. And yet he was still preferable to Clinton, a former first lady, senator and secretary of state with close ties to Wall Street. As a former reality TV star, Trump seems more relatable to the everyman. He appears to be outside the realm of politics, and thus the establishment.
Of course, the reality is that Trump IS the establishment — its driving force and greatest beneficiary. Many politicians work at the beck and call of their wealthiest backers. Trump is a billionaire who probably couldn't tell you the price of a gallon of milk, let alone someone who is going to take to heart the plight of the working poor. The law — and its loopholes — are written for elites like him.
2) I've heard it said that the media made the mistake of taking Trump literally but not seriously, while half of voters took Trump seriously, but not literally. In other words, many of his supporters believe he's a bullshit artist; he talks a big game, hence his shocking proclamations, but it's mostly theatrics. Sure, a good chunk of them think he really will try to ban Muslims and build a wall against Mexico (and mind you, he may indeed do this), but others don't. What they all take seriously, though, is the underlying sentiment: Trump's belief that illegal immigrants, or immigrants from Islamic countries, lead to trouble.
And this connected with voters... despite the fact that a Trump presidency plays straight into the hands of terrorists. After all, what better way for ISIS to recruit terrorists than for America to elect a president who appears to be waging war on Islam? There's a reason jihadist websites are celebrating.
3) Voters wanted to tell liberals "Fuck you." Simply put, they felt judged. Many of them are not racists, sexist, etc, at least not in their own minds... even though they were enabling a racist, a sexist, etc. Many were holding their nose and voting for Trump simply because they've been indoctrinated with the belief (thanks to decades of conservative-led character assassination of the Clintons) that his rival is corrupt. They were, in their minds, picking the lesser of two evils. That, coupled with the belief for many of them that Trump's wildest proclamations were simply that of a bullshit artist (see point #1) made them favor Trump — and when liberals told them they were evil or hateful people for doing so, they felt judged, and nobody likes to feel judged. So, they pushed back.
4) Voters may have lied to pollsters. I worried that voters may have been lying since they didn't want to own up to supporting Trump... but at the time I comforted myself with the notion that perhaps it was like 2012, where Republicans dismissed Obama's strong polling performance as people not wanting to appear racist. But then Obama won and it turned out the polling was accurate. So I thought, if the polls were accurate then, surely they must be accurate now. But again, people felt judged, and so people didn't show their true colors until they cast their vote in the privacy of the polling booth.
In a way, places like our beloved forum are to blame. We didn't see the smoke, let alone the fire, because we drove underground anyone who showed a hint of what we perceived to be racism, sexism, etc. Those things are reprehensible, for sure... but if we only judge and never listen — if we assume there's no dialogue to be had and no minds to be changed, or hearts to be softened, because we assume every disagreeable person is forever unchangeable and disagreeable — then we're just driving bad attitudes underground, where they breed and multiply like roaches, creeping back to the surface in greater numbers. I think many of us liberals were lulled into a sense of complacency by the comforting echo chamber we had created for ourselves... and so a number among us didn't fight as hard.
The thing that really grinds my gears are the people who didn't vote, or who threw away their vote on a third-party candidate. I'm sure many of us know someone who voted for Jill Stein or Gary Johnson simply because they were neither Clinton nor Trump, while at the time saying "I know Trump is the worst but I can 'vote my conscience' and take the 'principled position' voting third-party since Hillary will win anyways." How wrong they were.
And then the people who didn't vote, among them Latinos, according to exit polls, and a depressed black vote. People like one of my best friends, a black man with a college degree who is underemployed working a low-wage job, who figured Hillary is better but she's no Barack Obama, so he'll just sit this one out and trust Hillary wins. The working poor and minorities who were most vulnerable just didn't turn out the way they should've, and I think in many cases it's because they thought Hillary would win. I mean, when the SNL skit of the third presidential debate has Tom Hanks as Chris Wallace telling Alec Baldwin as Donald Trump that, "Sir, you're probably going to lose," and when TIME Magazine is running a cover of Donald Trump's melting face ("Total meltdown"), it's easy for us to jump to conclusions. But it's painful to see society's most vulnerable minorities just leave it to chance.
Sigh.
SneakersSO
Member
Everything we have to go on by DNC Insiders and the media indicates that not only will the DNC not learn from this, but that they want to double down. If the DNC legitimately pushes Tim Kaine in 2020, there is no question that the GOP & Trump will win that shit, hands down.
Yup he bit off more than he can chew. He's terrified. Look at his kid to the right of him!! He looks so sad and scared!!
SneakersSO
Member
You think that minorities didn't turn out because they assumed Hillary had this on lock?
Here's a statistic for ya - during Obama's administration, he deported over half a million more immigrants than Bush did during his time as president (2.5 million vs. 2 million). And yet, Democrats try to own the image of them being pro-immigration when they deported more people under their watch. People within that community? They know this.
Zero of the economic relief that the American economy supposedly received went to rural America. It all went to major cities that vote blue anyway. The numbers during '12 when compared to '08 show that democrats were already quickly losing their grip on WWC voters. And by many measures, all these communities wanted, particularly in the rust belt, was for someone to come out & talk to them, which HRC's campaign has been said was refusing to do so they could target other demographics, which turned out to be Republicans.
You wanna blame 3rd party voters & minority voters? Fine. But guess what - being accusatory, especially now of all times, is only going to push them further away. "How come you didn't vote for us? Don't you see we have your best interest at heart?", you say, as the democratic party continues to further their corporate elitist attitude and policy platforms, policies which have directly affected minority/low-income communities. You asked black voters to vote for Hillary Clinton - a woman who at one point said that they needed to be brought to heel, and whose husband signed the Criminal Justice bill which is ravaging their community to this day, and then you wonder why the black vote did not turn out for her in the GE.
And go ahead, continue suggesting that Trump supporters are just racist/xenophobic. Its not like democrats didn't basically run on a social platform and didn't get their asses handed to them, specifically because liberals have only thrown insults and labels whenever anyone tried bringing up an opinion. You're right - pollsters got it wrong because liberals created an environment where admitting how you think or feel is completely no longer allowed. You're labelled, shunned, and your life might very well be destroyed. But in the voting booth - no one gets to see. You get to give a large group of people the finger and fuck them over. It happened in Europe, it happened with Brexit, it happened with Trump. And until liberals realize they're gonna need to back off on the culture war they have basically been waging for a decade now, people are going to continue to do this.
NOLA_Gaffer
Banned
It's kinda fascinating when you line up these three covers:
Steve Youngblood
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Honestly, I think a lot of this rhetoric about overly-aggressive liberals being the culprits for motivating a white backlash because they weren't nice enough to be way overblown. I think the fact of the matter is that people know who they're going to vote for and many are not open to persuasion.
Having said that, I've long been somewhat uneasy about aggressive rhetoric that seeks to establish that all Trump voters are racist xenophobes or are flagrantly complicit in promoting a racist xenophobe. I get that a lot of the people making these arguments are passionate people who care about the issues and were legitimately terrified of a Trump presidency and what that meant. But where I caution it is simply from trying to recognize that you probably shouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
While there are definitely plenty of unapologetic deplorables in Trump's base that probably aren't worth the trouble of trying to persuade, it's worth considering that there are also probably people who are leaning the opposite direction that can be reasoned with. Say for instance that you were making phone calls or going door-to-door canvasing for Clinton votes. If you're met with someone who says "I'm not sure but I think I'm voting for Trump," what's your pitch for Clinton? A message of "oh yeah? Well I should caution that Trump is a racist piece of shit and if you vote for him you're a racist piece of shit too" may not be the most compelling argument you can make.
Mind you, not everyone is trying to play that role. I don't think it was anyone's responsibility to try and empathize with and convert Trump voters. Some people just need to vent right now and I understand the anger and disappointment. But I do think some people are just trying to be pragmatic here. Voter turnout was at a 20 year low. Both candidates had historically high unfavorability numbers that depressed voter turnout. But at the end of the day, apparently the people who disliked Trump but voted for him anyway outpaced people that disliked Clinton but voted for her anyway.
So yeah, maybe you conclude that you just need to motivate your base more. But what's your base? Clinton lost states in the rust belt that were not expected to be competitive. That's pretty scary. Yeah, maybe it was just that urban centers in states like Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin didn't turn out in high enough numbers and we just need a more energizing candidate next time, but you also do need to consider just why Clinton did worse in rural areas than previous Democratic victors like Obama and Bill. I'm not saying you fight fire with fire and abandon messages of inclusivity and progressive values to aggressively court the white blue collar vote, but we may need to consider that it's beneficial to find a way to connect with some of them as opposed to writing them off as ineffectual relics that have already become irrelevant in terms of national politics.
I'm not laying the blame solely on complacent or non-enthusiastic minorities. Liberals and centrists of all colors and creeds were complacent since Hillary appeared to be doing so well.
I'm just saying it's especially painful seeing it happen also with the groups that are most vulnerable.
And yes, I know Obama has been deporting people. But at least Clinton, the person actually on the ballot this year, had a more direct path to citizenship than Trump's "leave and come back."
Greatest Ever
Member
Goddamn.It's kinda fascinating when you line up these three covers:
RPGCrazied
Member
It's kinda fascinating when you line up these three covers:
Just shows you how pathetic America has become.
Indeed. This voter apathy is a problem in the US.
I asked about why that is, and some suggested the Electoral College system is at fault (along with general difficulty of voting). The EC, because it basically makes popular vote irrelevant (in majority of republics, the leader gets picked by popular majority).
The real problem here seems to be that Clinton didn't motivate Democratic voters. There were a lot of people voting Obama...
It's taken me awhile to be able to fully articulate how I feel about the election results, and I think now I'm finally able to.
Tuesday night when I was watching the results, I started out as feeling extremely hopeful; "Hillary Clinton has this in the bag", I thought. "There's absolutely no way that Trump could possibly win without the Hispanic vote, the black vote, the LGBT vote, women's vote." As the night went on, I progressively got more and more discouraged until I finally went to bed around 1:00am EST, when it was all but certain that Trump was going to take the victory.
I woke up around 3:30am in somewhat of a panic, afraid to look at my phone. I was hoping that in some way, some how, Hillary managed to come out the winner. I looked at my phone, and my heart instantly sank. Trump had surpassed 270 to become the presidential elect.
I wasn't able to sleep the rest of the night, and I had to get up early anyway because I had a work conference to go to for the week. The rest of the day on Wednesday, I felt wave after wave of utter despair; I have never felt so low in my life. It felt like I lost a family member or something. My heart broke for every minority in this country as it was a huge awakening that half of the country doesn't care about our rights. And at the very best, they voted for and elected a man who doesn't.
I was so incredibly angry. I was angry at the people who voted for him. I was angry at the staunch Hillary supporters who were never open to any criticism of their nominee, and would instantly shut people down and berate those who tried to have honest discussion. I was angry at the people who would just brush people of by saying "it's baby's first election" because there was NO possibility of Hillary losing the election. It felt surreal, and I was just hoping that I was going to wake up from this nightmare and it was all a farce; that Hillary was actually the presidential elect.
Each passing day has gotten a bit better, and I've come to terms with the fact that Trump will be the 45th president of the United States. What's made it a bit better is seeing all the protests around the country, people coming out to say that they will continue to fight for equal rights, that they won't be able to silence us. I hope that people don't back down and they continue to protest and they continue to march. This isn't about being a sore loser and taking the "L", this is about fighting for human decency and the rights of minority citizens in this country.
I must say, it's interesting to see all of the Trump supporters come out of the woodwork on this forum now that he is the presidential elect. Where were you months ago? Is it because he's going to be the president that you're now "okay" saying that you support him? I'm genuinely curious, because to me, it looks cowardice.
Tuesday night when I was watching the results, I started out as feeling extremely hopeful; "Hillary Clinton has this in the bag", I thought. "There's absolutely no way that Trump could possibly win without the Hispanic vote, the black vote, the LGBT vote, women's vote." As the night went on, I progressively got more and more discouraged until I finally went to bed around 1:00am EST, when it was all but certain that Trump was going to take the victory.
I woke up around 3:30am in somewhat of a panic, afraid to look at my phone. I was hoping that in some way, some how, Hillary managed to come out the winner. I looked at my phone, and my heart instantly sank. Trump had surpassed 270 to become the presidential elect.
I wasn't able to sleep the rest of the night, and I had to get up early anyway because I had a work conference to go to for the week. The rest of the day on Wednesday, I felt wave after wave of utter despair; I have never felt so low in my life. It felt like I lost a family member or something. My heart broke for every minority in this country as it was a huge awakening that half of the country doesn't care about our rights. And at the very best, they voted for and elected a man who doesn't.
I was so incredibly angry. I was angry at the people who voted for him. I was angry at the staunch Hillary supporters who were never open to any criticism of their nominee, and would instantly shut people down and berate those who tried to have honest discussion. I was angry at the people who would just brush people of by saying "it's baby's first election" because there was NO possibility of Hillary losing the election. It felt surreal, and I was just hoping that I was going to wake up from this nightmare and it was all a farce; that Hillary was actually the presidential elect.
Each passing day has gotten a bit better, and I've come to terms with the fact that Trump will be the 45th president of the United States. What's made it a bit better is seeing all the protests around the country, people coming out to say that they will continue to fight for equal rights, that they won't be able to silence us. I hope that people don't back down and they continue to protest and they continue to march. This isn't about being a sore loser and taking the "L", this is about fighting for human decency and the rights of minority citizens in this country.
I must say, it's interesting to see all of the Trump supporters come out of the woodwork on this forum now that he is the presidential elect. Where were you months ago? Is it because he's going to be the president that you're now "okay" saying that you support him? I'm genuinely curious, because to me, it looks cowardice.
He won't be president. He will resign. Look at his face in all the talks and everything since. He doesn't want this. He can't do this.
RPGCrazied
Member
Well, then Pence takes over, and well.... he isn't much better. And awful to the lbgt community.
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
I don't buy the argument of liberal intolerance. It is a pathetic argument. Whilst there are definitely times when people have been trigger happy to call people racists/sexists/etc., I don't think it really applies in the case of this election.
Trump started his campaign calling Mexicans rapists, was openly racist throughout, bragged about sexual assault, mocked the disabled etc etc. His entire career is littered with refusing black tenants, abusing women and exploiting people. His entire campaign was openly racist. No dogwhistles, just bigotry. At some point you can't coddle this behaviour. You have to stand up to it.
These people - Trump supporters/Leave supporters (to a far smaller extent) - hate being called out for the shit they do. They aren't even being arrested or punished, just criticised. They don't take responsibility for their actions, they cry political correctness or talk about an offence culture. It is all bullshit. They can no longer say the horrible stuff they used to without being criticised. Or that they can in their own communities. They are unwilling to look at themselves to see why people may react poorly to this. They lack the empathy to understand the position of those who have taken offence.
Not all Trump supporters are like this, but at the end of the day his entire campaign (and most of his professional life) was defined by racism. He is a bad man from top to bottom. If you get into bed with that, then you have to own it. He was openly a white nationalist.
Now clearly, Hillary's campaign failed in their messaging. They focused too much on emphasising Trump's negatives, which is obvious but not persuasive. They should have talked more about her own, largely excellent policies and how they would have helped the people who felt alienated. However, whenever she talked policy nobody listened. That's not on her. The media were not interested. But focusing on love trumps hate (that and im with her were atrocious slogans) was a huge mistake.
Though they should have not focused on Trump so much, that they called it out as racist and sexist and so forth was completely right. That's what it was and they called it out appropriately. Just because these people want to be coddled, doesn't mean they should be. How can a party attempt to represent minority groups and not try to protect them?
It is the responsibility of society - especially the political establishment - to protect minorities of all types. Clinton's campaign tried to do this. They made mistakes, but they should be proud for standing up against this when many supposedly decent right wing people acquiesced. To argue they contributed to any division for doing so is disingenuous.
Trump started his campaign calling Mexicans rapists, was openly racist throughout, bragged about sexual assault, mocked the disabled etc etc. His entire career is littered with refusing black tenants, abusing women and exploiting people. His entire campaign was openly racist. No dogwhistles, just bigotry. At some point you can't coddle this behaviour. You have to stand up to it.
These people - Trump supporters/Leave supporters (to a far smaller extent) - hate being called out for the shit they do. They aren't even being arrested or punished, just criticised. They don't take responsibility for their actions, they cry political correctness or talk about an offence culture. It is all bullshit. They can no longer say the horrible stuff they used to without being criticised. Or that they can in their own communities. They are unwilling to look at themselves to see why people may react poorly to this. They lack the empathy to understand the position of those who have taken offence.
Not all Trump supporters are like this, but at the end of the day his entire campaign (and most of his professional life) was defined by racism. He is a bad man from top to bottom. If you get into bed with that, then you have to own it. He was openly a white nationalist.
Now clearly, Hillary's campaign failed in their messaging. They focused too much on emphasising Trump's negatives, which is obvious but not persuasive. They should have talked more about her own, largely excellent policies and how they would have helped the people who felt alienated. However, whenever she talked policy nobody listened. That's not on her. The media were not interested. But focusing on love trumps hate (that and im with her were atrocious slogans) was a huge mistake.
Though they should have not focused on Trump so much, that they called it out as racist and sexist and so forth was completely right. That's what it was and they called it out appropriately. Just because these people want to be coddled, doesn't mean they should be. How can a party attempt to represent minority groups and not try to protect them?
It is the responsibility of society - especially the political establishment - to protect minorities of all types. Clinton's campaign tried to do this. They made mistakes, but they should be proud for standing up against this when many supposedly decent right wing people acquiesced. To argue they contributed to any division for doing so is disingenuous.
I think you just described right wing mind-set toward social issues. If they can't be openly racists etc. they just seem to be complaining about others being "politically correct", yet they don't actually dare to be what they think they should be. So, cowardice, probably caused by slight understanding of protecting their asses.
Trump's victory simply emboldened them. How long that will last, i don't know, though i expect anyone openly racists, sexists, homophobic, etc. will be banned eventually, just gonna take some time.
Bruce Springsteen
Member
Irredeemable? Nice. Set the Democratic platform back even further, that'll help things... No lessons to learn, keep up the vitriol. Ignore what Hillary said in her concession speech and what Obama said post-results about listening and unifying, just go straight back into the hysterical put downs of significant portions of the country. And I'll bet you think you're smarter than those "irreedemable (sic) idiots," lol. Definition of insanity..
Society was a mistake
Host Samurai
Member
Is Trump the 3rd Antichrist that Nostradamus predicted that would spark WW3?
Bruce Springsteen
Member
Talk like this and expect change and support? Lol
Charles Foster Kane
Rosebud
It feels like I'm watching Buñuel's "The Exterminating Angel".
SneakersSO
Member
Don't worry - when liberals & dems stick to this same playbook after learning nothing and eat L's for the next 4-8 years, maybe, MAYBE, we'll finally be able to make progress again on economic & social issues in the USA. Until then, shit is gonna get rough.
Puck Beaverton
Banned
it doesn't even matter if they're right, it just shuts people down
tough love doesn't work
it's a valid feeling now, but hopefully this will not be repeated in the future.
PeskyToaster
Member
lol except that the jedi that was returning was also the new hope. 3rd term boys let's do it.
Straight Edge
Member
Is Mike Pence going to be ghost-running the country? Trump seems uninterested in doing the day to day mundane tasks that will be required of him
It will be an Obama.
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Deleted member 20415
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Yeah, which is the scariest thing.
Well-founded rumors, around the time of selection of the VP, were saying that Trump's team were discussing with potential candidates that they would be running domestic and foreign policies, while Trump basically was a figure head, going around to "Make America Great Again."
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/07/20/trump_reportedly_wanted_kasich_as_vp_to_be_in_charge_of_domestic_and_foreign.html
Support and change will come from the people that didn't bother to vote. Not the idiots that elected a fascist. They're too far fone. The republican base will always have that base of votes no matter what you do.
It's complete nonsense spouted by the people who want to hide from the fact that the United States is a uniquely racist country among democratic nations.
Bruce Springsteen
Member
you think really in black and white if you believe all those who vote republican are all redneck racists
RPGCrazied
Member
Maybe the electoral college will feel some empathy and not give him the votes? I mean, we are living in the twilight zone now, anything is possible.
mercenar1e
Member
they're going to regret saying that so much lol if Trump proved anything its to never ridicule him in public.
much easier to have a figurehead than to enter the reelection process
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