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[f0rk]

I know a movie shouldn't have to explain every detail about it's aliens or whatever, but I found the aliens a bit inconsequential in the end. They show up, teach Louise the language / non-linear time thing and then leave. There is ultimately nothing about why the 'gift' is spilt into 12 besides a vague suggestion humanity needs to work together, or how it's going to be useful in 3000 years. I also didn't quite get how the aliens knew the Chinese changed their minds and started sharing.

"I wasn't going to change my mind until you said the last words of my dying wife" is soooo corny and played out in a time travel story, especially when we (or the typically audience at least) don't know what the words are. The idea she might not have been died yet is interesting but seems like a reach as there's nothing to suggest that and, again, we don't know what his super persuasive phrase is.

In the end the film does hang it's hat on the view of time which I did think was well done, even if the twist was hammered in for 5 minutes more than it needed to be. I liked it a lot but could have done with the main plot being tied into the twist a bit more.

 

[mrkgoo]

Saw this today, loved it. Absolutely blown away by how the movie is "smarter" than the viewer in many ways, and doesn't dumb anything down for audiences. So, so, so rare especially for big budget movies.

Two things it reminded me a lot of were the Dune books, especially the later ones where the people with prophetic abilities talked about how "trapped" they felt with their abilities to see the future. That really came through here for me in a way that didn't with the written word, like goddamn it is truly fucked up that you can see the rest of your life in visions and not change a damn thing about it.

Lost played around with that too, although it got super messy and confusing by the end.

Either way I loved it, the time and alien interactions really felt like something I haven't seen on screen ever before, and for that I absolutely appreciate something new.

You say it doesn't dumb anything down for viewers, whereas one of my complaints is just that. At times it is fantastically subtle, but other times it has to explain it for you explicitly, sometimes characters talking to another, other times during narration, and in one moment, it has to literally spell out words on the screen for you.

 

[Moz]

I really wish people would stop using words like "present" and "future" when talking about nonlinear time. I guess it is the easy way to discuss it, though.

Louise gained the ability to remember future events as clearly as past events, not the ability to exist outside of linear time. She still ages and experiences the passage of time, is still anchored in a present. So using terms like future/present/past are fine in this case.

 

[mrkgoo]

I know a movie shouldn't have to explain every detail about it's aliens or whatever, but I found the aliens a bit inconsequential in the end. They show up, teach Louise the language / non-linear time thing and then leave. There is ultimately nothing about why the 'gift' is spilt into 12 besides a vague suggestion humanity needs to work together, or how it's going to be useful in 3000 years. I also didn't quite get how the aliens knew the Chinese changed their minds and started sharing.

"I wasn't going to change my mind until you said the last words of my dying wife" is soooo corny and played out in a time travel story, especially when we (or the typically audience at least) don't know what the words are. The idea she might not have been died yet is interesting but seems like a reach as there's nothing to suggest that and, again, we don't know what his super persuasive phrase is.

In the end the film does hang it's hat on the view of time which I did think was well done, even if the twist was hammered in for 5 minutes more than it needed to be. I liked it a lot but could have done with the main plot being tied into the twist a bit more.

I get how it can be all part of a test to see if humanity is ready, but that idea is at odds with the beings being able to perceive time non-linearly. If everything is foreseen to an extent, it seems like the test and things like that don't really have any real bearing on anything. Like maybe just show up when you know humans are ready.

Of course, one could always argue this is what happened, so that's what happens....but that level of pre-ordaining takes away from any agency of the story.

 

[Moz]

I know a movie shouldn't have to explain every detail about it's aliens or whatever, but I found the aliens a bit inconsequential in the end. They show up, teach Louise the language / non-linear time thing and then leave. There is ultimately nothing about why the 'gift' is spilt into 12 besides a vague suggestion humanity needs to work together, or how it's going to be useful in 3000 years. I also didn't quite get how the aliens knew the Chinese changed their minds and started sharing.

"I wasn't going to change my mind until you said the last words of my dying wife" is soooo corny and played out in a time travel story, especially when we (or the typically audience at least) don't know what the words are. The idea she might not have been died yet is interesting but seems like a reach as there's nothing to suggest that and, again, we don't know what his super persuasive phrase is.

In the end the film does hang it's hat on the view of time which I did think was well done, even if the twist was hammered in for 5 minutes more than it needed to be. I liked it a lot but could have done with the main plot being tied into the twist a bit more.

The message was the 1/12th fraction contained in the negative space, not the content itself.

The aliens already knew everything that was going to happen before it happened, because they can perceive the future. Including the Chinese halting their attack. They were going through the motions in order to secure whatever help they needed for their species in 3000 years. The ticking clock was never an issue for them. I liked that the nature of the "help" was never explicitly explained, good sci fi always teases a bigger mystery.

The words spoken to the general translate to "in war there are no winners, only widows". I liked that no translation was given, it enforced the theme of communication and cooperation outside of the film by forcing us to get a translation from someone who speaks Mandarin

I thought the wider plot, themes and concepts were exquisitely integrated with Louise's personal arc, as well as the wider structure of the film.

 

[piratepwnsninja]

Louise gained the ability to remember future events as clearly as past events, not the ability to exist outside of linear time. She still ages and experiences the passage of time, is still anchored in a present. So using terms like future/present/past are fine in this case.

That makes sense.

So she can remember time in a nonlinear fashion, while still experiencing time linearly.

 

[Draper]

Boring and heavy handed.

Beautifully shot though.

 

[Violence Jack]

I guess I liked it well enough, but I just don't feel as deeply about it as others do. It was beautifully shot, and the performances were pretty excellent (aside from Renner), but I just found myself not really caring about the characters. I think I was more sad about Abbott dying than I was about the little girl. The palindrome stuff seemed to be hammered home at every opportunity, to the point that by the time the flash forward twist was revealed, it was no longer surprising or unexpected.

I'd give it a 7.5/10. Pretty good for me not liking these kinds of films normally.

 

[whytemyke]

I loved this movie. Plus I was listening to the /filmcast and they mentioned that Villanueve is directing the Blade Runner sequel?!?! Hnnngggg!

Gonna be awesome lol.

 

[brianjones]

another fuckin sci fi movie about the power of love.. liked it until "the biggest surprise wasn't meeting aliens.. it was meeting you"

 

[SuperSamyon]

These new science fiction movies feel more like science fantasy then science fiction. So learning a language rewires your brain to now see the future and perceive time differently?

Ships just appear and dissappear because reasons?

In what, 27 days, they were able to learn an alien language that they have no concept of and not only write it but interpret complex meanings through its writings?

How did they ever confirm that they were even on the right path of understanding the basics concepts of the alien language? The aliens never confirmed that the humans were on the right track.

No one in Montana during that month long time tried to break through what appeared to be a very small military barrier? And with that, no news media present even though the media frequently shows shots of the craft in the news reports?

There are only two top individuals, in all of America, who are qualified to lead this project? Shouldn't they have assembled thousands and thousands of the top minds to help decipher these messages?

I could go on but for me I was disappointed that this was more fantasy than science and that the human interactions and plot devices were harder to believe then the movie's twist itself.

Well shot movie with weird pacing that takes itself too seriously and doesn't know what it wants to be. 5/10

 

[Brakke]

another fuckin sci fi movie about the power of love.. liked it until "the biggest surprise wasn't meeting aliens.. it was meeting you"

I thought it was good that they acknowledged what a cornball dummy Renner was. Especially since we know he ultimately flakes out on Adams.

 

[Brakke]

None of those concerns are persuasive, SuperSamyon. Nobody tried to break through the military perimeter is easy to answer: they just didn't. They didn't want to get shot to fucking death. If it bothers you, just pretend in your imagination that there were scuffles, they just weren't shown in the movie. Because that's not what it wanted to be.

Thousands of people going from strangers to a coherent team in an afternoon is more of a fantasy than anything in this movie lol.

 

[Anton Sugar]

I thought it was good that they acknowledged what a cornball dummy Renner was. Especially since we know he ultimately flakes out on Adams.

Line is definitely cheesy but it worked for me somehow. Maybe that's it.

 

[border]

I liked the movie, probably more than I should have.

But If the aliens can see the past, present, and future, why is there even a language barrier to begin with? Why don't they just look into the distant future and figure out how to communicate?

 

[CassSept]

I liked the movie, probably more than I should have.

But If the aliens can see the past, present, and future, why is there even a language barrier to begin with? Why don't they just look into the distant future and figure out how to communicate?

a) they still need the actual learning process to happen

b) that wouldn't help with teaching humans heptapod language.

 

[Vincent Grayson]

I liked the movie, probably more than I should have.

But If the aliens can see the past, present, and future, why is there even a language barrier to begin with? Why don't they just look into the distant future and figure out how to communicate?

So it's a given that the Heptapods already understood human language when they got to Earth, and long before that, due to their thinking processes.

They learn of a coming disaster, and know that the humans help them solve it. In order for the humans to help them solve this problem though (I assume), they know humanity needs to learn how to think in Heptapod terms. So they come to Earth and contrive the scenario in which humans learn Heptapod successfully, which of course they are already fully aware of.

Everything happens in the way it does because the Heptapods already know how it happens and orchestrate it that way. Including the one which clearly must know its own death is coming soon.

 

[tearsintherain]

Yeah, you have to stop thinking of causality in time movies like this. Its not that person A learns of events X Y which leads to Z so they try to either meddle with things so Z2 occurs instead (which causes Y to change to Y2 and other changes) - thats Back to the Future or Fringe. Even within that you have the single universe or the multiverse, where infinite universes allow all the infinite variations of everything to occur and all you are doing is "jumping" through universes to see variations of causality.

Instead, things always happen a certain way and people who can see all of time just go through the motions. Its like playing a video you already watched. You can fast forward, rewind, skip around, etc but you can never change anything about the video. For us as human beings who perceive causality and the linearity of time its a completely alien and baffling view, but if your species grew up with it, you would not really care about cause/effect and just "play your lifes video" till the end.

Now of course you can ask WHY that is? I don't really have an answer for that, and yes it does feel like a nightmare scenario being able to see all of time but never being able to change any of it. Trapped by predetermination, fate, etc.

Its not imo outside the bounds of what we consider science either. It is entirely possible that the entire universe is finite, and every single quantum moment of history is predictable. For example take a simple case of a a flat surface with a ball. If you touch the ball and start it rolling you could easily predict where it would roll to and when it would stop. You could in theory describe the entire universe in such a manner, with a finite number of quarks/atoms/molecules/etc and predict every nanosecond from the big bang to the end of the universe. That would imply we are entirely bound by "rules" and fate is nothing more than the single arrow of time unwinding.

Its not a view I like.

 

[piratepwnsninja]

Yeah, you have to stop thinking of causality in time movies like this. Its not that person A learns of events X Y which leads to Z so they try to either meddle with things so Z2 occurs instead (which causes Y to change to Y2 and other changes) - thats Back to the Future or Fringe. Even within that you have the single universe or the multiverse, where infinite universes allow all the infinite variations of everything to occur and all you are doing is "jumping" through universes to see variations of causality.

Instead, things always happen a certain way and people who can see all of time just go through the motions. Its like playing a video you already watched. You can fast forward, rewind, skip around, etc but you can never change anything about the video. For us as human beings who perceive causality and the linearity of time its a completely alien and baffling view, but if your species grew up with it, you would not really care about cause/effect and just "play your lifes video" till the end.

Now of course you can ask WHY that is? I don't really have an answer for that, and yes it does feel like a nightmare scenario being able to see all of time but never being able to change any of it. Trapped by predetermination, fate, etc.

Its not imo outside the bounds of what we consider science either. It is entirely possible that the entire universe is finite, and every single quantum moment of history is predictable. For example take a simple case of a a flat surface with a ball. If you touch the ball and start it rolling you could easily predict where it would roll to and when it would stop. You could in theory describe the entire universe in such a manner, with a finite number of quarks/atoms/molecules/etc and predict every nanosecond from the big bang to the end of the universe. That would imply we are entirely bound by "rules" and fate is nothing more than the single arrow of time unwinding.

Its not a view I like.

Excellent write-up that matches where I landed. I've been thinking about whether or not the film really offered the idea of free will, and ultimately concluded that it didn't.

 

[Brinbe]

Caught it last night, it was okay. Liked it better than Interstellar but that's not saying much. Took a lot of cues from Enemy and his other previous works. Definitely forging on with a very distinct visual style.

That being said. Holy crap, some of y'all are a bit infuriating with your constant nerdish expectations to answers for every little mystery. That's not really what this movie was about.

I honestly would've been going nuts watching this with y'all.

 

[Holyoneturtle]

I couldn't enjoy the movie because one of the promos said there was a twist that no one saw coming. And of course during the movie my brain was putting all the threads together. Sop in the beginning in the movie I was immediately like this is in the future. There was just something about how it was setup that I immediately jumped to this conclusion. About halfway there was a line with louise and her daughter something along the lines of " ask your father for the science". At this point I was like ok Jeremy Renner is the father and seems concurrent with my theory. Now I'll admit, that by the time I reached the twist I was thinking that I was wrong that maybe all of the scenes with Hannah was in the past. But when she asks who's that little girl I was like ok that was the future. The only thing I didn't see coming was that the language would let her see the future. I thought it was a good movie but because I kind of knew what the twist was I was not as impressed. I'm going to watch it again to solidify my opinion of the movie.

 

[DaveH]

I love the short story, which is more densely packed with ideas, physics, linguistics, math, and science, but the movie was still enjoyable. I'd put it in the same category as Ex Machina (2015) as films enjoyed more for the atmosphere and execution than their content. You can literally watch them at 2x Speed without missing any content.

This is a fun video regarding how our perception of time influences how we frame evidence:

MinutePhysics "Do cause and effect really exist?"

Much of the original story was trying to reframe existence in those kinds of terms. Using things like Fermat's Principle to try to get your mind there ("light always takes the shortest path through a medium... but how does it 'know' endpoint before it goes?" sort of thing). I kind of wanted to see some of those dense and confusing ideas educationally illustrated on film, but they went for a far more human, emotional lens instead, which is fine.

 

[UnemployedVillain]

These new science fiction movies feel more like science fantasy then science fiction. So learning a language rewires your brain to now see the future and perceive time differently?

Ships just appear and dissappear because reasons?

In what, 27 days, they were able to learn an alien language that they have no concept of and not only write it but interpret complex meanings through its writings?

How did they ever confirm that they were even on the right path of understanding the basics concepts of the alien language? The aliens never confirmed that the humans were on the right track.

No one in Montana during that month long time tried to break through what appeared to be a very small military barrier? And with that, no news media present even though the media frequently shows shots of the craft in the news reports?

There are only two top individuals, in all of America, who are qualified to lead this project? Shouldn't they have assembled thousands and thousands of the top minds to help decipher these messages?

I could go on but for me I was disappointed that this was more fantasy than science and that the human interactions and plot devices were harder to believe then the movie's twist itself.

Well shot movie with weird pacing that takes itself too seriously and doesn't know what it wants to be. 5/10

It's easy to tell who didn't pay attention during the movie

 

[Anton Sugar]

Listening to the Q&A Podcast with the writer of the screenplay, Eric Heisserer. Very interesting--they go through a lot of discarded ideas from a 2012 script, as well as just talk through the movie.

Re: all the discussions about the future being predetermined, Eric very specifically didn't want that. The short story is apparently more about accepting a future that is bound to happen, whereas he wanted it to be clear that Louise *chose* her future and could still change it.

Abbott was killed/entered death process due to the bomb, not an illness. In the 2012 draft, she sees him in a coffin/chamber of sort and it's clear they admire that she would choose to keep her child rather than alter it.

The story was also going to originally be very much about the Earth dying and the need to move to another planet/establish a colony and each of the 12 shells had technology/information on the system and how to get there...but then Interstellar came out and they had to change it.

Shang's wife's last words are "In war, there are no winners, only widows".

Lots of other really interesting stuff, too.

 

[Mario]

I know a movie shouldn't have to explain every detail about it's aliens or whatever, but I found the aliens a bit inconsequential in the end. They show up, teach Louise the language / non-linear time thing and then leave. There is ultimately nothing about why the 'gift' is spilt into 12 besides a vague suggestion humanity needs to work together, or how it's going to be useful in 3000 years.

I didn't find it vague at all. It was clear that it wasn't a test but a tactic, designed to ensure that the "power" of the language was distributed to all peoples around the world.

How it would be useful in 3000 is somewhat irrelevant to the story given it is beyond the scope of the main characters experience, and it was told in a very personal way. I myself like others am curious but not knowing doesn't really diminish the film for me.

 

[mckmas8808]

Wait... did people really not know what the canary was there for???????????????

My man....I had no clue lol. I kept wondering why the bird was locked in the cage. I thought they were trying to show the aliens other life forms outside of "HUMAN".

 

[ElFly]

So do the aliens have this circular representation of time as well? I mean they have to right since they know that something bad is going to happen in 3000 years. If they can see that it's going to happen, are they just trying to prevent it by reaching out to Louise?

I'm just wondering what Louise, or humanity for that matter, can do to help them. I guess it would help if we knew what was going to happen in 3,000 years...

I assume humans, who see time linearly, have better logical reasoning skills and may think in ways the aliens cannot, but they still will need the ability to see the future to help; chances are humans will never be as good as the aliens at it -even in the flash forward at the conference 18 months ahead, it seems nobody else has the same skills as Louise-. I mean, the aliens are literally seeing events 3000 years in the future

the heptapods don't immediately react to the bomb, even tho they probably saw the explosion in their future; on the other hand, Louise and Chang collaborate non linearly to get China to back down but the heptapods don't really seem to know what the best way to communicate with Earth was

 

[UnemployedVillain]

So do the aliens have this circular representation of time as well? I mean they have to right since they know that something bad is going to happen in 3000 years. If they can see that it's going to happen, are they just trying to prevent it by reaching out to Louise?

I'm just wondering what Louise, or humanity for that matter, can do to help them. I guess it would help if we knew what was going to happen in 3,000 years...

Knowing those details wouldn't really be relevant or change anything, and it would take the focus away from the fact they needed humans help and change it into the nature of the help

 

[frontovik]

Thought this movie was quite boring and extremely cheesy (especially near the end).

 

[border]

So free will still exists in this film? People can see into the future (or the past), and use the insight to change the course of events? At the fancy dinner party it seems like the Chinese General is pretty deliberately handing over his personal information to Louise, with the knowledge that she will be able to use it in the past.

If the characters in this film are just "playing a video" that fate determined and the events of the movie are set in stone, then that kinda undercuts the whole thing. The heptapod that knew he was going to die didn't sacrifice himself nobly, he just accepted the inevitable.

 

[Anton Sugar]

The screenwriter noted that Abbott doesn't try to prevent his own death because he admired the way Louise wouldn't try to change her own tragic future.

He also said, and I don't think this was explained in the movie, that Louise can only see HER future.

 

[fr0st]

The screenwriter noted that Abbott doesn't try to prevent his own death because he admired the way Louise wouldn't try to change her own tragic future.

He also said, and I don't think this was explained in the movie, that Louise can only see HER future.

but if she can see her own future can't she also see other people's futures?

also did the Q&A tell anything about the future being set?

 

[Anton Sugar]

but if she can see her own future can't she also see other people's futures?

also did the Q&A tell anything about the future being set?

I guess there is some degree of shared futures with people you're closely involved with.

Yup. He said the short story is all about accepting a predetermined future but the screenplay and movie was written specifically against that idea. Louise had a choice and made it.

 

[Hasphat'sAnts]

Just came out of the theater. Floored.

I'm gonna say that looking at this movie through a post-Trump lens made it more poignant for me.

Max Richter is a treasure.

 

[amaretto]

While I definitely don't really feel the 'timely' narrative twitter critics tried to bestow upon this film I still found it to be absolutely wonderful.

The scientific part of it took a backseat to the emotional for me, and that's majorly thanks to Amy Adams. With two of the most expressive eyes in the damn business that woman can say so much without uttering a single word, in fact I was surprised at just how quiet she was. That ending sequence was a stellar punch in the gut for me.

Reading some posts here I'm surprised at how much MORE you guys wanted? Like, I don't get it. I prefer to have things up to interpretation rather than being spoon fed everything and maybe I'm just too good at suspending my disbelief as well. I like to exist within the movie's world.

 

[mrkgoo]

but if she can see her own future can't she also see other people's futures?

also did the Q&A tell anything about the future being set?

I always interpreted the futuresight as just like memories. But of the future.

Can you see other people's past?

 

[Vault Dweller 111]

That was so fucking good. Watch this while high.


Slaughter House V yo

 

[acohrs]

That was so fucking good. Watch this while high.


Slaughter House V yo

Would be too worried of getting a bad trip after seeing the giant hand aliens!

 

[ElFly]

The screenwriter noted that Abbott doesn't try to prevent his own death because he admired the way Louise wouldn't try to change her own tragic future.

He also said, and I don't think this was explained in the movie, that Louise can only see HER future.

which also means the heptapods would live to see the future 3000 years later

 

[Vault Dweller 111]

That was so fucking good. Watch this while high.


Slaughter House V yo

Yea, I stand by this the next morning. The moments where they were about to make first contact or seeing the alien language, hearing the tape recorder for the first time, was all handled so well. The magnitude of those moments was palpable especially with that tension inducing soundtrack. I was fidgeting in my seat because those moments were just so good. I've really never seen anything like it. Was stuff like that enhanced by being high? Maybe, but i'm sure they'd still be amazing sober.

Easily my favorite movie of the year, and one of my favorites ever.

 

[bigboss370]

saw this last night, best movie of the year imo

 

[ronaldthump]

Just walked outta the cinema. Struggling with what to me is a convenient bit of plotting with the Chinese general which made zero sense and creates a bit of weird time paradox/nonsense.

5/10

 

[bounchfx]

Just walked outta the cinema. Struggling with what to me is a convenient bit of plotting with the Chinese general which made zero sense and creates a bit of weird time paradox/nonsense.

5/10

I thought about this as well, but then came to the conclusion that since time is non-linear, it kind of means that could have happened first. It goes hand in hand with literally the first lines of the movie. There is no paradox in that case.

Some of these comments though blow my mind. I didn't think it was confusing whatsoever why some of the military dudes went rogue. They set it up over like five previous scenes.

Overall, super well done and entertaining movie.

People stuck on "but what about in 3000 years" need to understand it's not about that, nor is it about the power of love lol. As much as I like Huey Lewis and the news

 

[Aselith]

Just walked outta the cinema. Struggling with what to me is a convenient bit of plotting with the Chinese general which made zero sense and creates a bit of weird time paradox/nonsense.

5/10

I was thinking about it and she is getting the flashes before she actually learns the language. Which means that when you learn it, you get the flashes not just from then forward but before you actually learned it as well. So imagine you've been having these flashes of a person that you know very well but also don't know for your whole life and then someone tells you something to bring it all in to clarity and maybe that leads to some revelation in your life.

I've got to imagine that's a really powerful feeling and may explain why it brings humanity together. Shared experiences can be really powerful bonding moments and they're basically the only two people on Earth to experience that at that particular time.

 

[Zackat]

Just walked outta the cinema. Struggling with what to me is a convenient bit of plotting with the Chinese general which made zero sense and creates a bit of weird time paradox/nonsense.

5/10

Time isn't linear when she learns the new language. The future and current are one and the same.

 

[ant_]

Yea, I stand by this the next morning. The moments where they were about to make first contact or seeing the alien language, hearing the tape recorder for the first time, was all handled so well. The magnitude of those moments was palpable especially with that tension inducing soundtrack. I was fidgeting in my seat because those moments were just so good. I've really never seen anything like it. Was stuff like that enhanced by being high? Maybe, but i'm sure they'd still be amazing sober.

Easily my favorite movie of the year, and one of my favorites ever.

No man, you're completely right. I watched it high as well. Was a super suspenseful/tense movie. Pretty much same way I felt when I was watching Sicario.

Been listening to the soundtrack ever since. It's fantastic.

 

[Hasphat'sAnts]

When time is no longer linear, you should stop looking at events from the lens of cause-and-effect

 

[Escape Goat]

The movie was a snoozefest. Amy Adams and Jeremy Renner are sedate in their roles. The aliens are speaking in circles! I wonder what it could mean? I liked the way Hannah wasn't born yet and Louise wanting to have a baby knowing she would die at a young age was powerful. I'd say the rest of the movie was filler but it was kind of the opposite. It was a vacuum of deep or meaningful characters. "I spent my life looking up at the stars but what was important was you on the ground." had one guy laugh out loud. Way to end on a high note, Hawk guy.

 

[Aselith]

The movie was a snoozefest. Amy Adams and Jeremy Renner are sedate in their roles. The aliens are speaking in circles! I wonder what it could mean? I liked the way Hannah wasn't born yet and Louise wanting to have a baby knowing she would die at a young age was powerful. I'd say the rest of the movie was filler but it was kind of the opposite. It was a vacuum of deep or meaningful characters. "I spent my life looking up at the stars but what was important was you on the ground." had one guy laugh out loud. Way to end on a high note, Hawk guy.

Renner is shit tier, they should have got the correct MI cast member and had Benji come kill it.

 

[Megalosaro]

I havent cried at a movie like i have for this one in years.

Not my favorite movie ever, but that ending was too much for me. I couldn't handle it.