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[Adnor]

Except how they went out of their way to help turn the Mist cloud from Madrid as soon as Storm informed them there was a problem (a problem that didn't appear until after Muir Island, despite the Mist Clouds having already past through several cities, including Tokyo, without incident), and used Downer's power to put the entire city to sleep to stop a riot and prevent people from getting hurt. You know, the riot Cyke-Frost started in the first place? People really reaching to paint the Inhumans as the bad guys here.

The Inhumans goodwill dissapears when their first reaction when one their clouds is destroyed is to shout "You have made an enemy of us FOREVER!" and then kill "Cyclops".

And then in their own comics when questioned why don't they just destroy the cloud Medusa just say "that's sacrilege for some of us, the clouds are sacred!". She admits that their religious symbol is more important than an entire species.

EDIT: And yes, Black Bolt kills Cyclops after he started charging his optic blasts, but Medusa gave him the order before that. And they attacked Sunfire and Alchemist unprovoked.

 

[MHWilliams]

I'd like to point out that leading up to this, there was only three known casualties of M-Pox in Death of X, Multiple Man (his dupes don't count), Alchemy, and Cyke himself, and only one person sick (Gold Balls). Several cities full of people (such as Tokyo) had been exposed to the Mists by this point with literally not even a report of a sniffle.

It wouldn't surprise me if Scott had Matrox trying to cook up their own version of the Mists, only modified into activating the X-gene, and fucked it up somehow. That would explain Frost-Cyke starting riots that led to everything going to Hell. Storm and her Team had things well handled with the Inhumans helping until Frost-Cyke invaded every mind on Earth to state that the Mists are deadly to mutants and probably humans as well, and even then they were working to keep people safe and while they were confrontational about Downer's use of his abilities on the whole city of Madrid (including Storm and co.), it was down to stop the riots Frost-Cyke caused and cooler heads were prevailing until Magneto showed up to interfere (Hell, Frost suggested that she would get Shaw and the Hell Fire Club involved if Magneto backed out). Emma Frost is also clearly insane at the end of Death of X #4

"Well, you have a story. I have a story. It doesn't matter which one is true. It matters which one is believed." -Frost-Cyke (Death of X #4)

The entire point of the current X-status quo is that the Mists kill and sterilize mutants. Full stop. Death of X shows a mutant body, Madrox' death and notes that everyone on the island is dead. Beast is the one who determines scientifically that Terrigen is toxis and he hates Cyke. They're playing it straight. This isn't some grand swerve.

I have no clue how you got to the rest.

 

[Poyunch]

Cyclops shoulda gone back to his old visor before dying because it's just a lowercase L.

 

[RareFantasy64]

One thing about this whole situation that I am grateful for is that Marvel didn't character assassinate Cyclops. Cyclops didn't do some super-evil thing like we've been told he did for months


Having said that, what was the purpose for all this? Like or dislike the Revolution/"Cyclops was right" angle after the AVX storyline, it feels like that whole thing went absolutely nowhere and died with a whimper

I mean remember when Cyclops used a Phoenix egg in that Secret Wars event and made that wonderful statement of not being able to kill an idea and then popped up like a troll on that ship of surviving heroes? And then he just died, unceremoniously at the hands of Dr. Doom like right after?


What was the point of any of this? It went nowhere

 

[Candescence]

Wha... That's it?! All this hype around Cyclops apparently becoming some kind of figurative monster and what he did was actually pretty reasonable in the face of Medusa and Black Bolt being jackasses about the mists killing mutants?

Marvel, just drop the heroes vs heroes nonsense, we're all sick of it by now. And for God's sake, stop trying to make the Inhumans a thing, it's not happening.

the entire marvel universe has been garbage since Bendis got his hands on it.

Corrected. Bendis is pretty much responsible for most of the Marvel comics going down the shitter. He was good when he was doing Ultimate Spider-Man, but now he's kind of a hack who has been handling the comics universe poorly, with actually good writers like Ewing trying their damndest to work around his idiotic creative decisions. This whole Inhumans vs. Mutants nonsense plus the idiocy of Civil War II (the worst of being being the derailing of Carol Davers' character) has pretty much been poorly handled overall.

 

[BossDarkseid]

Superman and Cyclops, the punching bags of DC and Marvel respectively.

Shit writers that continue to bring the characters down, not a shocker. Feed your dumb Batman and Wolverine masses with the shit they want at this point. I'm beyond caring for them anymore. #bitterfan

Its a good thing Superman has been good for a few years then...

 

[Boney]

Are these the ones who time travelled from the 60s? Haven't really been following the X-books.

Oh comic books

 

[TheBlackMarvel]

I have no idea why I quoted this.

Fuck Axis though, that was awful.

You might be waiting awhile.

Current jean would wreck Kamala six ways to sunday. They're not on the same tier at all.

Any Jean would lol.

Spoiler

Kamala is awesome but Jean is ludicrously powerful.

 

[Deadly]

We don't know yet but there is confusion in the DC comics right now. Superdad IS pre-flashpoint Superman and the events of Rebirth have given us reason to believe that besides New 52 Superman (because Superdad is pre-flashpoint Superman), the other New 52 characters are the same characters from pre-flashpoint.

Wait whaaat? Where is this suggested?

Also I've been wondering what the fuck happened to Black Bolt? I remember he died/disappeared back in Infinity but ever since he's been back he just seems to be Medusa's lackey?

 

[Trojita]

god, this is like when Magneto got branded a monster for killing the red skull. That's not the innocent lives he taken, but the fucking red skull, btw was running a mutant camp. Man morality in marvel comics is so fucked sometimes I the writers live on a different planet.

OMG when Rogue freaked out. What the fuck was that.

 

[TheBlackMarvel]

OMG when Rogue freaked out. What the fuck was that.

It was ridiculous, especially coming from the person who tried to kill her own mother.

 

[Mr. Poolman]

OMG when Rogue freaked out. What the fuck was that.

Always disliked that scene after Sentry's death where it was revealed he took Rogue's virginity.

 

[iPaul93]

What a joke.

 

[TheBlackMarvel]

Always disliked that scene after Sentry's death where it was revealed he took Rogue's virginity.

I forgot about this!

 

[PureYeti]

Lame.

Cyclops was always right. Avengers attacked his island unprovoked, and he defended hope from being kidnapped.

Yea that part I don't get why Avengers attack them. They didn't do anything wrong. They were providing food and energy with the Phoenix powers.

 

[TheBlackMarvel]

Yea that part I don't get why Avengers attack them. They didn't do anything wrong. They were providing food and energy with the Phoenix powers.

Hell, that was the second time they did it.

 

[Kinyou]

So Cyclops was right and the Inhumans are the bad guys.

Marvel keeps telling us the world hates Cyclops, but always neglects to actually make him do anything wrong to earn that mantle.

The inhumans really look bad there. Attacking them over stopping a cloud? Sure the inhumans need it, but it's obviously their mess to clean up, and it's killing people. Hard to see Cyclops as the bad guy.

This whole "both sides are not bad" comic books often go for when heroes fight each other is somehow never really working out.

 

[TheBlackMarvel]

The inhumans really look bad there. Attacking them over stopping a cloud? Sure the inhumans need it, but it's obviously their mess to clean up, and it's killing people. Hard to see Cyclops as the bad guy.

This whole "both sides are not bad" comic books often go for when heroes fight each other is somehow never really working out.

The Inhumans "need" it to gain superpowers. The mutants need it to be gone to live. How did Marvel expect people to react to this?

 

[54-46!]

Last Marvel book I read was Thor: God of Thunder, are they putting out any good self-contained stuff like that these days?

 

[DerangedHermit]

People did read War of Kings right? There is a reason BB and Black Panther are buds. They both do what they need to for their people, even if it is dirty

Pretty much, BB gives no fucks if you're not an Inhuman.


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Also, didn't they just reintroduced Elixir again (who can ressurect people or some shit now ) ?

 

[Palette Swap]

That ending was kind of a non-surprise as I remember people calling it back with issue #1.
Regardless of how Scott actually died, BB showed he had no qualm killing him to defend that cloud. It blows my mind that afterwards everyone is chummy with Inhumans when you consider the lengths they're willing to go to for Terrigenesis.

Also, this series did hit a new low with its art:

That bottom row is Mother's Day material.

OMG when Rogue freaked out. What the fuck was that.

Always disliked that scene after Sentry's death where it was revealed he took Rogue's virginity.

Thank you guys for reminding me of two of the absolutely worst Marvel issues of the past decade. Remender and Jenkins aren't bad writers but they really shat the bed on these two.

 

[RareFantasy64]

Wait whaaat? Where is this suggested?

Also I've been wondering what the fuck happened to Black Bolt? I remember he died/disappeared back in Infinity but ever since he's been back he just seems to be Medusa's lackey?

The Convergence story showed that Superman and Lois were saved from the events of Flashpoint and eventually ended up in the New 52. Rebirth showed that the New 52 is just the old universe but reality was altered and 10 years of time were stolen from everyone else, right? That's why in Rebirth, Barry eventually remembers Wally and Wally is going around the New 52 saying things aren't right and their world has changed

 

[SDBurton]

Always disliked that scene after Sentry's death where it was revealed he took Rogue's virginity.

To this day I'm still salty af about that. Out. Of. Fucking. Nowhere.

 

[TheSeks]

New X-Men by Grant Morrison:
- If you want to read the comic various writers have been trying to undo for several years, this is it. I don't think the omnibus version is around anymore, and pretty good characterization of Cyclops, and the start of the Cyclops/Emma relationship
Astonishing X-Men by Joss Whedon
- My god, someone knows how to write Cyclops! Seriously, all of the characters highlighted in this book get awesome moments, but man, this is a guy who gets Cyclops and how to write him
Uncanny X-Force by Rick Remender
- Considered by many to be the best X-Men comic of recent memory, just read it, and see why

I haven't read Remender's, but I do agree with these two. Especially "New X-men." Christ, why can't Marvel at least get him back? It seems like him and Whedon are the only two (besides Warren Ellis, who has a complete hard-on for Storm) that care about the series/characters.

Anyway...

Why the hell did "Cyclops" have Alchemy try to fix the clouds if it was gonna kill him? Seems like a lot of wasted effort to me.

 

[Palette Swap]

I haven't read Remender's, but I do agree with these two. Especially "New X-men." Christ, why can't Marvel at least get him back? It seems like him and Whedon are the only two (besides Warren Ellis, who has a complete hard-on for Storm) that care about the series/characters.

Anyway...

Why the hell did "Cyclops" have Alchemy try to fix the clouds if it was gonna kill him? Seems like a lot of wasted effort to me.

He did fix one major cloud. I guess the plan was that Alchemy wouldn't die and also fix the other(s?)

 

[Faiz]

They wouldn't have given Tim a fake death with the whole world thinking he's dead only to then kill him off for real. That wouldn't make any sense.

Probably. Maybe. I'm not sure they care that much. I've felt like Tim has had a target on his back for years, and probably won't be able to shake it. The worst part is... I'd even kinda understand it if they did. :/

 

[Sgt. Kabukiman]

Last Marvel book I read was Thor: God of Thunder, are they putting out any good self-contained stuff like that these days?

Unworthy Thor and Thanos just started and are both pretty damn good. We'll see about self-contained though, that's never a garantee with the big two.

 

[ibrahima]

Last Marvel book I read was Thor: God of Thunder, are they putting out any good self-contained stuff like that these days?

Karnak is worth a go. I think there's one issue left at the end of this year. I've really liked it.

 

[RedFox85]

Man screw the inhumans. What the fox ownership of the x men cinematic universe has done to the x comics is insane. I just can't help but feel like all of these shitty ideas and "pushing" of these inhumans as the hip new kids wouldn't be happening if marvel had them in their precious mcu.

 

[Knuckle Sandwich]

That bottom row is Mother's Day material.

Holy guacamole. My 9 year old could draw Sunfire and young Cyclops better than that. Yeesh.

 

[Dalek]

Holy guacamole. My 9 year old could draw Sunfire and young Cyclops better than that. Yeesh.

The art in this series was particular atrocious.

 

[Knuckle Sandwich]

The art in this series was particular atrocious.

I don't read many current books but that Sunfire face is maybe the worst I can remember seeing. How does that pass.

 

[Dalek]

I don't read many current books but that Sunfire face is maybe the worst I can remember seeing. How does that pass.

 

[RedAssedApe]

I love reading comic plot synopses. They remind why I quit reading comics a long time ago. So stupid Lol

 

[The Silver]

Last Marvel book I read was Thor: God of Thunder, are they putting out any good self-contained stuff like that these days?

Old Man Logan, Jessica Jones, Thanos is looking like it'll be good.

And then there's Unworthy Thor.

 

[Manmademan]

I haven't read Remender's, but I do agree with these two. Especially "New X-men." Christ, why can't Marvel at least get him back? It seems like him and Whedon are the only two (besides Warren Ellis, who has a complete hard-on for Storm) that care about the series/characters.

Anyway...

Why the hell did "Cyclops" have Alchemy try to fix the clouds if it was gonna kill him? Seems like a lot of wasted effort to me.

they didn't know that was going to be the case. The clouds have different effects on everyone. Some mutants it kills immediately and horribly, some last a while longer, some end up mostly unaffected. Seems to be random.

Being able to eliminate one of the larger roaming clouds was probably determined to be worth the risk though.

 

[Palette Swap]

The art in this series was particular atrocious.

That book's art is like Quitely had a drinking marathon for three days straight, punched through glass, came home still drunk and bleeding, but said "fuck it, I'll draw this stupid book with the other hand".

I don't read many current books but that Sunfire face is maybe the worst I can remember seeing. How does that pass.

Yeah, like there's several people at Marvel who saw this Strugglefire in MS Paint and gave the go ahead.
I honestly think it's some kind of prank. Or they really wanted to ship that book.

 

[IdreamofHIME]

It's time Disney shut down the comics division of Marvel. All they do is shit in the legacy of classic characters with bad story telling and elementary level art.
Once the movies stop making money, reignite the comics division and start the cycle a new.

 

[Bear Force One]

Marvel is terrible. Time for a post Quesada era.

 

[Palette Swap]

It's time Disney shut down the comics division of Marvel. All they do is shit in the legacy of classic characters with bad story telling and elementary level art.
Once the movies stop making money, reignite the comics division and start the cycle a new.

Or, you know, fix what's broken like the X line and some events, and keep going with the actually good and great stuff.

 

[echoshifting]

Marvel is terrible. Time for a post Quesada era.

Do you know how long it's been since Quesada was in charge

Five years. Almost six.

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Alonso has been making me miss Quesada.

The state of Marvel right now is absolutely dire.

 

[Freshmaker]

So when he will be ressurected?

I can't wait until Meme Cyclops refuses to die in Emma's psyche and becomes a living psionic entity in its own right.

 

[Bear Force One]

Do you know how long it's been since Quesada was in charge

Five years. Almost six.

I didn't think it could get worse than him. I was wrong.

 

[rbenchley]

Last Marvel book I read was Thor: God of Thunder, are they putting out any good self-contained stuff like that these days?

Thor (Mighty & Unworthy), Thanos, Silver Surfer. Everything else is fucking trash. Marvel is so arrogant right now, that they have the balls to revisit the most reviled storyline in Spider-Man history (The Clone Saga) and double down on it. Fuck Marvel.

 

[Akainu]

Is my understanding that these inhumans neutered the x-men and pretty much everyone is ok with it correct?

 

[TheBlackMarvel]

Is my understanding that these inhumans neutered the x-men and pretty much everyone is ok with it correct?

Not only OK with it, they've villified the only X-Men doing anything about it.

Spoiler

Anything effective anyway, nobody believes Beast can help these days.

 

[captainpat]

Its a good thing Superman has been good for a few years then...

In the main universe comics maybe, but there's still BvS and Injustice.

 

[The Light]

Everything should've popped off after what black bolt did. Also really doesn't make sense Alex the only one who found that something was off.

 

[KrisB]

That ending was kind of a non-surprise as I remember people calling it back with issue #1.
Regardless of how Scott actually died, BB showed he had no qualm killing him to defend that cloud. It blows my mind that afterwards everyone is chummy with Inhumans when you consider the lengths they're willing to go to for Terrigenesis.

Also, this series did hit a new low with its art:

http://i.imgur.com/d9db8nR.jpg[mg]

That bottom row is Mother's Day material.
[/QUOTE]

Lmao that Sunfire pic looks like a kid drew it with crayons.