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[Bobby Roberts]

I didn't see Biggs or Porkins. I know there were lookalikes on set, but I don't think they made the final cut.

One of the weirder bits of winking/nodding: Spending like 35-40 seconds on the guy who was Red 5 BEFORE Luke gets the callsign.

 

[Quick]

Just saw a picture of Leia from the movie.

Looks kind of creepy, almost wax-like. I'll chalk it up partly to the potato quality of the image though.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

You can already tell the mouth ain't right just from that off-screen cap.

 

[ZackieChan]

Just finished it. Man, I think this might be my second favorite Star Wars film after Empire. Absolutely loved it. Gorgeous, too.

Not sure how any fan of the series wouldn't know exactly who Jimmy Smits was talking about.

 

[greatgeek]

So Vader is only in the two scenes? It sound like he has a dialogue early and then just shows up for an action scene later. Does his involvement in the story at those points feel natural, or more like he had been shoehorned into the movie?

 

[CloudWolf]

Was anybody seriously expecting some of the characters to survive? They were dead as soon as the movie was announced.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Some people just naturally assumed at least one or two would be allowed to live so a sequel would be made, because stories are no longer allowed to have endings, everything has to continue endlessly like soap operas and superhero comics.

Hell, there was a guy in here earlier who STILL thought all that even after watching them all die.

 

[ZackieChan]

Some people just naturally assumed at least one or two would be allowed to live so a sequel would be made, because stories are no longer allowed to have endings, everything has to continue endlessly like soap operas and superhero comics.

Hell, there was a guy in here earlier who STILL thought all that even after watching them all die.

Hilarious.

"Deaths are cliché"
"When's the 2nd and 3rd ones coming out?"

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

Any noticeable return of music themes that aren't especially common?

 

[Aiii]

Hilarious.

"Deaths are cliché"
"When's the 2nd and 3rd ones coming out?"

More movies need to dare bleak endings, they're the best.

I mean, seriously, why didn't the Matrix end with everything resetting into a machine AI world? And why did Harry Potter not die in sacrifice?

 

[DonMigs85]

Just got back from it, awesome movie. Starts off a bit slow but the last hour or so truly is incredible and tense.
Couple easter eggs I noticed which I'm not sure were mentioned here yet
-General Syndulla called out at the rebel base
-Dr. Evazan and Ponda Baba at the market

 

[DonMigs85]

Sums up my feelings unfortunately.

Didn't like how out of focus everything that was not central looked . Especially in dialogues, character who was talking was always really crisp and sharp while who was listening looked like a blur every time.

Didn't care about the characters unfortunately . I expected everyone would die going in (I avoided all of the trailers but we all know how the story goes) and even then I was not emotionally attached to anyone. Maybe the badass duo but meh.

Forest Whitaker was underutilized. Severely. And his alien served basically no purpose at all. Sad. He had potential.

Not enough cameos. Really, if your central characters are nothing to write home about and if 90 percent of your audience already knows the story by heart, you have to give us some more fan service. 3po and r2 barely were seen. Leia was a 1 second shot. This had lots of potential.

The score. Remixed most was really good, but original songs were lacking.

ok

 

[Banjotanooki]

Was anybody seriously expecting some of the characters to survive? They were dead as soon as the movie was announced.

Wait....so they all die?!?!

Even Jyn? That's the only spoiler I want to know, lol.

 

[DonMigs85]

Wait....so they all die?!?!

Even Jyn? That's the only spoiler I want to know, lol.

Yes, they all make the ultimate sacrifice. In fact I think everyone who wasn't in the Tantive IV dies.

 

[Scrooge McDuck]

Was anybody seriously expecting some of the characters to survive? They were dead as soon as the movie was announced.

I was totally expecting them to all die. However, I also much prefer characters in stories I consume to survive and be happy, no matter how trite it could be, so I still held up hope until the end. Turns out my hope is for naught. And this is supposed to be a movie about hope, harumph.

 

[DonMigs85]

I was totally expecting them to all die. However, I also much prefer characters in stories I consume to survive and be happy, no matter how trite it could be, so I still held up hope until the end. Turns out my hope is for naught. And this is supposed to be a movie about hope, harumph.

 

[ZackieChan]

Yes, they all make the ultimate sacrifice. In fact I think everyone who wasn't in the Tantive IV dies.

Yep. Vader shows up at the end ready to wreck whoever is left. Some Rebel ships escaped into hyperspace right before, though.

 

[Fliesen]

More movies need to dare bleak endings, they're the best.

I mean, seriously, why didn't the Matrix end with everything resetting into a machine AI world? And why did Harry Potter not die in sacrifice?

weirdly enough, the ending is far less bleak than Empire's.

This film ends on an upwards trajectory, it ends rather hopeful. Sure, not everyone (sadly, that includes all the characters we've grown to like throughout the movie) made it out alive, but, to me, it's far less bleak than having Han frozen and abducted, Luke rather depressed, and the Empire strong as ever.

Yep. Vader shows up at the end ready to wreck whoever is left. Some Rebel ships escaped into hyperspace right before, though.

I felt it was a majority of ships. (that hadn't been blown up in the battle before)
The fact that Vader simply physically blocked that one Cruiser from jumping with his own ship, was super cool.

I was totally expecting them to all die. However, I also much prefer characters in stories I consume to survive and be happy, no matter how trite it could be, so I still held up hope until the end. Turns out my hope is for naught. And this is supposed to be a movie about hope, harumph.

As soon as they set off as 'Rogue One', i'm quite sure that everyone knew this was to be a one-way trip. It's what makes their sacrifice even more meaningful. I think it really helps Cassian as a character, too - He was willing to sacrifice many lives for the good of the Rebellion (see his introductory scene), seeing him knowingly sacrifice his own life was the kind of redemption he needed.

Now that i had a good night of sleep - it's rather weird that Leia / Captain Antilles bother to go all "this is a consular ship" - "we're on a diplomatic mission" in ANH, when they pretty much know that Vader pretty much took down their license plate number when leaving the scene of 'death star plan theft'.

 

[DonMigs85]

Yep. Vader shows up at the end ready to wreck whoever is left. Some Rebel ships escaped into hyperspace right before, though.

Oh, right. Except that one unfortunate transport that crashed against Vader's Star Destroyer.

 

[McBradders]

This is the Halo Reach of Star Wars movies.

Also Vader straight up dropping puns should not be allowed what the fuck?

 

[mrkgoo]

weirdly enough, the ending is far less bleak than Empire's.

This film ends on an upwards trajectory, it ends rather hopeful. Sure, not everyone (sadly, that includes all the characters we've grown to like throughout the movie) made it out alive, but, to me, it's far less bleak than having Han frozen and abducted, Luke rather depressed, and the Empire strong as ever.



I felt it was a majority of ships. (that hadn't been blown up in the battle before)
The fact that Vader simply physically blocked that one Cruiser from jumping with his own ship, was super cool.



As soon as they set off as 'Rogue One', i'm quite sure that everyone knew this was to be a one-way trip. It's what makes their sacrifice even more meaningful. I think it really helps Cassian as a character, too - He was willing to sacrifice many lives for the good of the Rebellion (see his introductory scene), seeing him knowingly sacrifice his own life was the kind of redemption he needed.

Now that i had a good night of sleep - it's rather weird that Leia / Captain Antilles bother to go all "this is a consular ship" - "we're on a diplomatic mission" in ANH, when they pretty much know that Vader pretty much took down their license plate number when leaving the scene of 'death star plan theft'.

I really got the sense that their sacrifice was worth it. They saved the rebellion, and consequently the galaxy. True heroes.

I think the movie does a remarkable job at inserting a story that has an ending that we already know, yet still keep the stakes high.

 

[DonMigs85]

Now that i had a good night of sleep - it's rather weird that Leia / Captain Antilles bother to go all "this is a consular ship" - "we're on a diplomatic mission" in ANH, when they pretty much know that Vader pretty much took down their license plate number when leaving the scene of 'death star plan theft'.

Yep, pretty significant retcon plot hole actually lol

 

[RyanW]

This is the Halo Reach of Star Wars movies

As long as there's no bloom and armor lock then I'm okay with it.

 

[Scrooge McDuck]

As soon as they set off as 'Rogue One', i'm quite sure that everyone knew this was to be a one-way trip. It's what makes their sacrifice even more meaningful. I think it really helps Cassian as a character, too - He was willing to sacrifice many lives for the good of the Rebellion (see his introductory scene), seeing him knowingly sacrifice his own life was the kind of redemption he needed.

Yar, I understand it's likely the best for the story. Well executed sad character endings are simply something I appreciate but dislike.

 

[Jibbed]

This is the Halo Reach of Star Wars movies.

Also Vader straight up dropping puns should not be allowed what the fuck?

I've seen this comparison made already, agreed 100%.

Great film.

 

[Jyrii]

Now that i had a good night of sleep - it's rather weird that Leia / Captain Antilles bother to go all "this is a consular ship" - "we're on a diplomatic mission" in ANH, when they pretty much know that Vader pretty much took down their license plate number when leaving the scene of 'death star plan theft'.

It is definitely messy. But I guess the star destroyer didn't immediately go after the ship, before destroying the other rebel ships. So Captain Antiles's ship could play the "it wasn't us" card. They didn't have anything to lose.

Also the ship needed to ditch the tailers, so they couldn't go directly to Yavin. But they got still got caught.

 

[fisheyes]

Having now had nearly a day to digest this, here are my thoughts:

+ It looked like a new-school version of an old-school Star Wars film. The new costumes, aliens, buildings and spaceships felt like they were ripped out of 4-6. The U Wing in particular felt right.

+ The new planet settings, particularly Scariff, looked great and fit in well.

+ Darth Vader scenes were all great, as were the nods to a New Hope. They could've gone overboard, and they might've been very close to doing so, but the ones they had all worked and I enjoyed them. I thought Tarkin's CG was bloody good most of the time and didn't really take me out of it at all.

+ K2 and blind dude were great. Felt familiar yet new, not a rehashed character but felt like they belong in the Star Wars universe, and both had some funny moments to boot.


- I wasn't overly invested in either Jyn or Cassian. Neither were particularly interesting characters, and I was particularly uninterested in the romantic angle they tried to push late.

- Saw's death didn't work. I feel like it was supposed to have a bit more of a 'Hold the Door' style impact, but it just didn't work. I feel like having him attempting to escape, holding the recording, and getting swallowed up by the death star beam or something would've been more effective.

EDIT: - Oh yeah another minus I just thought of - that super lame Cassian death fake out then saving the day 5 minutes later. Lame lame lame.

For me its ESB > ANH > [RO, TFA, ROTJ but not sure in what order] >>> TPM > ROTS >>> AOTC. I'm still working on which of Rogue One, the Force Awakens or Return of the Jedi I like more. All have good moments but a few flaws. But its a dilemma I'm happy to have.

 

[mrkgoo]

This is the Halo Reach of Star Wars movies.

Also Vader straight up dropping puns should not be allowed what the fuck?

What pun?

Vader had a twisted sense of humour at times.

"Apology accepted, Captain Needa"


"If this is a consular ship, where is the ambassador?" (as he chokes him, obviously preventing him from speaking)

 

[Fliesen]

Yar, I understand it's likely the best for the story. Well executed sad character endings are simply something I appreciate but dislike.

Ok, gotcha. Can't say that i disagree with you. The death of one of Star Wars most universally enjoyable comic relief characters was particularly painful.

Combining Chewbacca and C3PO into one character, really... a genius move.

 

[fisheyes]

What pun?

Vader had a twisted sense of humour at times.

"Apology accepted, Captain Needa"


"If this is a consular ship, where is the ambassador?" (as he chokes him, obviously preventing him from speaking)

He says something along the lines of "Don't choke on your ambitions" to Krennic as he is collapsed on the floor, doesn't he?

 

[mrkgoo]

He says something along the lines of "Don't choke on your ambitions" to Krennic as he is collapsed on the floor, doesn't he?

Ah yes. is that technically a pun though?

While we're at that scene, the way he turns and reveals hi force choke grip was kind of odd. It's like he was about to choke something else...

 

[antonz]

I don't know if I would say its messy. They were trying to use Diplomatic Immunity as a weapon to buy time. Palpatine had already decided the end of the Senate by that point so it really didn't matter what they were saying.

 

[TAJ]

Some people just naturally assumed at least one or two would be allowed to live so a sequel would be made, because stories are no longer allowed to have endings, everything has to continue endlessly like soap operas and superhero comics.

Hell, there was a guy in here earlier who STILL thought all that even after watching them all die.

After watching them die and get a Viking funeral.

 

[Scrooge McDuck]

He says something along the lines of "Don't choke on your ambitions" to Krennic as he is collapsed on the floor, doesn't he?

"Be careful not to choke on your aspirations".

Honestly, Darth Vader dropping dark and borderline cheesy quips feels to be in line with his portrayals in both original and prequel trilogies.

 

[RSP]

Something I've been wondering:

Empire's building the Death Star, crushing rebels 'n shit.

Vader's just chilling in his cool ass swag-pad in a place constantly reminding him of how he got his ass handed to him by Obi-Wan.

What is he doing, what is he waiting for? Shouldn't he be constantly chasing rebels or something? It doesn't look he's too concerned about the Death Star up until the moment it becomes clear there might be a flaw in the design of the station.

 

[Pezking]

I don't know if I would say its messy. They were trying to use Diplomatic Immunity as a weapon to buy time. Palpatine had already decided the end of the Senate by that point so it really didn't matter what they were saying.

Also, Leia was a senator. Nobody knew she was at Scarif. Saying that she's on a diplomatic mission was generally not a stretch and worth a try.

 

[Jibbed]

Something I've been wondering:

Empire's building the Death Star, crushing rebels 'n shit.

Vader's just chilling in his cool ass swag-pad in a place constantly reminding him of how he got his ass handed to him by Obi-Wan.

What is he doing, what is he waiting for? Shouldn't he be constantly chasing rebels or something? It doesn't look he's too concerned about the Death Star up until the moment it becomes clear there might be a flaw in the design of the station.

I'm assuming it's just where he chills between missions. There are a few references to his joint operations with Tarkin in the Catalyst novel so it's not just like he's in that bacta tank 24/7.

Sidious is likely the one behind the location of that castle though... what better way to keep Vader pissed than hole him up on a hot as fuck lava planet where he happened to lose most of his limbs?

 

[deleted]

It's a bit uneven, but good. Very self contained, good characters but not the best chemistry within the group. The Droid steals the show.
The side characters are arguably better than the leads, they are pretty dry and don't have enough time to make their changes stick.

Visually great, but also uneven - I'm not yet sure how to put it, but I feel like you can easily spot the reshoots. The lighting, the sets, the camera all look off in those scenes.
In the beginning when the guy with the broken arm first spills the info about the Death Star, it looks like a cheap, small set filmed with a whole other camera and added greenscreen while the rest of the movie has a very cohesive feel to it.
Same thing with Vaders first appearance. It stands out there even more, because Vaders tank and the end of the scene look different from the stroll and the conversation... Pretty weird.

The movie as a whole doesn't really feel like it was tempered with from executives too much. It's way darker than any Star Wars movie before and it truly feels very different from the other movies. When it comes to blockbusters, it feels a bit like Mad Max. It's a project headed by a man with a vision that he tries to recreate. While it worked out perfectly in Mad Max, there are bits and pieces here that are way less elegant. But overall it's very far removed from the formulaic Marvel Blockbuster or stuff like Episode VII. The fact that this movie is a real prequel to IV without any obvious ankers to continue with any of the characters - great! More of that!

When VII is one end of the Star Wars spectrum, this is on the other end.
Loved what it dared to be, even if it's not as good as it could have been.

 

[stryke]

Maybe as a movie it's not as well made as Force Awakens but I enjoyed this movie more.

Horror Vader scene was awesome.

 

[RSP]

I'm assuming it's just where he chills between missions. There are a few references to his joint operations with Tarkin in the Catalyst novel so it's not just like he's in that bacta tank 24/7.

Sidious is likely the one behind the location of that castle though... what better way to keep Vader pissed than hole him up on a hot as fuck lava planet where he happened to lose most of his limbs?

I don't know how much of the EU is still valid, but it would be much cooler if Palpatine has a tough time keeping Vader under control. Like in ESB and ROTJ, you know he has a second agenda and wants the best for himself.

Not some kind of caged animal that's just soaking in his naturally heated hot tub for days on end waiting for someone to throw him a bone.

I mean the final scene of the movie fricking rocked. It may be the very best sequence in the entire franchise to me. But I just can't get enough of Vader. I really hope they do something more with him.

 

[Jibbed]

I don't know how much of the EU is still valid, but it would be much cooler if Palpatine has a tough time keeping Vader under control. Like in ESB and ROTJ, you know he has a second agenda and wants the best for himself.

Not some kind of caged animal that's just soaking in his naturally heated hot tub for days on end waiting for someone to throw him a bone.

I mean the final scene of the movie fricking rocked. It may be the very best sequence in the entire franchise to me. But I just can't get enough of Vader. I really hope they do something more with him.

Star Wars: Rebels. From the name-drop on Yavin and seeing the Ghost at Scarif, I'm 99% sure Hera will make it to the end of the series.

The rest of them though? Wouldn't be surprised if Vader murders the shit out of them.

 

[WadeitOut]

I lived in the TFA thread last year. First time even visiting this.

Saw a media review showing on Monday. Love it.

 

[RSP]

Star Wars: Rebels. From the name-drop on Yavin and seeing the Ghost at Scarif, I'm 99% sure Hera will make it to the end of the series.

The rest of them though? Wouldn't be surprised if Vader murders the shit out of them.

Oh right! I have not watched any of that, because I wanted to watch it with my kid. Would it be too strong for a four-year old?

 

[antonz]

Oh right! I have not watched any of that, because I wanted to watch it with my kid. Would it be too strong for a four-year old?

Should be alright. Overall it is of a lighter tone than Clone Wars.

 

[Jibbed]

Oh right! I have not watched any of that, because I wanted to watch it with my kid. Would it be too strong for a four-year old?

I recommend it! It can be pretty heavy on the Clone Wars (2nd animated series) references at times though, so if you haven't watched that some things may be lost on you.

The episodes are 22-ish minutes long and it's definitely geared more towards a younger audience, more so than Clone Wars even. I think a 4 year old would be fine with it, but maybe watch the opener yourself first and see what you think.

 

[Katzenjammer]

A bit surprised to see that the droid seems to be well-liked. Both his jokes and delivery were kind of bad. And he kinda stole threepio's "chances of survival" joke, but in this movie they ran it to the ground by the end of it. Was rolling my eyes at the last few joke attempts by him.

He was rendered extremely well though, didn't feel CG at all to me which I found impressive.

 

[Jibbed]

A bit surprised to see that the droid seems to be well-liked. Both his jokes and delivery were kind of bad. And he kinda stole threepio's "chances of survival" joke, but in this movie they ran it to the ground by the end of it. Was rolling my eyes at the last few joke attempts by him.

He was rendered extremely well though, didn't feel CG at all to me which I found impressive.

Agreed, more impressive than Tarkin and Leia IMO.

I hear what you're saying but I felt most things he said were in line with the character they were trying to establish. He wouldn't shut up lol.

 

[Jyrii]

Agreed, more impressive than Tarkin and Leia IMO.

That is because our brains do not have pre-implanted idea of what a droid should look like. Same thing with aliens and monsters.

With humans on the other hand, we will notice every minor thing that is off. It is especially hard to pull off when we know what the person looks like in real life.

 

[Aiii]

I guess the best part about this film is that it actually retcons the ridiculousness of the fact that they blew up the Death Star with a couple of fighter torpedo's in ANH, That's been bothering people for 50 years and now they actually believable retrofitted the whole premise with Galen Erso's flaw being the reason.

Like, normally these torpedo's wouldn't have blown up the entire station, but here's this guy who felt remorse about his WMD and built in a flaw they could exploit that nobody was aware off. It works.

This movie makes Episode IV more interesting in several ways, but that is definitely my favorite thing about this story.

 

[Boss Doggie]

Way, WAAAAY better than TFA. Better set of characters, a clearer progression of plot with great pacing, the action isn't stilted, and a refreshing scene with the characters (granted, them all dying is a foregone conclusion, but still). Really my only gripe was the sorta forced romance but I feel like it's more of an emotional support than anything.

Was the Leia at the end taken from the first film or was it makeup?