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Rogue One: A Star Wars Story |OT| They rebel - SPOILERS
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Yes, Obi Wan, and his adoptive daughter, Leia.
To be fair, that seems like a bit of a shoe-in, though.
Like, Leia chose to send a message / the plans Obi-Wan because she knew he lived on Tatooine and they were being boarded.
I don't see why Obi-Wan had to be involved / mentioned, when the original plan should have been: Get the plans from Scarif, take them to Yavin 4 for analysis.
Not knowing that Vader would catch up with the Corvette around Tatooine, why would they even think about involving Obi Wan. Why not involve him at an earlier point in time?
Atraveller
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The empire is so trigger happy with Deathstar it's almost like they are the Inquisition in WH40K.
Peter Ian Staker
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Yes he said he wanted to recruit a jedi general he knew from the Clone Wars and he would send someone he could trust with his life to do it.
Doesn't specifically mention Obi Wan or Leia by name but you can fill in the blanks.
30yearsofhurt
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Krennic was robbed.
I wonder that now the precedent has been set for CG recreations of characters to appear -- do you think it'll be hard for audiences to except young Han and Lando? Alden and Donald are phenomenal casting choices, I hope that those in creative control have faith enough in the performances to recreate these characters -- and don't go overboard touching up their features with post effects or extensive makeup work. I think I would have been more comfortable with new casting for Tarkin considering the bulky role he had. This might be going a little too far, but I'd probably be okay with an impersonator taking over for Vader in the future, I love that James Earl Jones is still doing the role and I feel bad for even suggesting that he be pushed aside but you could hear his age in his voice, which is inevitable but still a shame -- is he better in Rebels?
Huh. I could have sworn it was Mordor.
While Star Wars hype wasn't as big as last year, I mean that was insane for TFA I really liked the movie.
Saw it IMAX just now, screen wasn't even half full unlike last year it was mad and even had camera crew show up outside.
Some quick takes:
Donnie Yen rocked my socks, glad it was in it alot more than I expected.
Danny Rayburn was good as Krennic I dug his white costume.
Michael Giacchino scored it well, however I need to give the OST a listen on its own I think.
Just loved seeing all the original trilogy costumes, equipment, tech etc. And the new stuffw was neat too.
Vadar going HAM at the end was wicked.
CGI Tarkin and Leia were... decent I guess.
I had to go 3D because that was the only option for IMAX and there was not a single 3D shot.. At least TFA had that cool one with the star destroyer coming at the screen.
Final battle / 30 minutes was SO GOOD
Got a neat poster because I saw it IMAX
And cup
Saw it IMAX just now, screen wasn't even half full unlike last year it was mad and even had camera crew show up outside.
Some quick takes:
Donnie Yen rocked my socks, glad it was in it alot more than I expected.
Danny Rayburn was good as Krennic I dug his white costume.
Michael Giacchino scored it well, however I need to give the OST a listen on its own I think.
Just loved seeing all the original trilogy costumes, equipment, tech etc. And the new stuffw was neat too.
Vadar going HAM at the end was wicked.
CGI Tarkin and Leia were... decent I guess.
I had to go 3D because that was the only option for IMAX and there was not a single 3D shot.. At least TFA had that cool one with the star destroyer coming at the screen.
Final battle / 30 minutes was SO GOOD
Got a neat poster because I saw it IMAX
And cup
Recasting Han Solo and Lando should work fine because the movie's set in the past, those characters will be way younger than in ANH or Empire.
Recasting Mon Mothma worked fine because she didn't have as iconic of a role as Han, Lando or Tarkin.
Recasting Tarkin, imho, for a one-off movie that is pretty much set in the same week(!) as A New Hope would have been super jarring.
I can imagine people new to the series doing a double-feature of RO and ANH.
By the time you got from RO to RotJ or the other way around, you don't remember all that much how Mon Mothma actually looked. Tall red-headed lady with a white dress and long neck.
Btw, i don't get why people aren't all that much into Cassian.
I felt he was kind of the antithesis to Han Solo.
One's the smuggler with - when push comes to shove - a heart of gold. Willing to sacrifice his own life for the life of his friends. (as can be seen by him coming to Luke's rescue during the final trench run in ANH)
The other is the Rebel who's willing to do what "needs to be done." Willing to sacrifice the life of (innocent) others for the "greater good." (as can be seen by him shooting that one guy point blank, or assassinating Galen Erso, etc.)
Going straight to Yavin 4 would have risked exposing the entire rebel alliance. Who knew if the empire had put a tracker on their ship, or could tracked their path.
Leia probably wanted to get away fast and check their ship for tracking devices. Maybe they even wanted to change the ships id so that they could hide even more. Like hide it as a diplomat ship by getting cover for those in the ship.
ronaldthump
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Just got out from the cinema.
I was personally somewhat bored til the assault on the library/beach island but the final 30 minutes was just high octane fun
Observations - the bad bits
whittaker is terrible in this. Sand is blowing into your eyes at miles/second and you stand there unblinking? He really annoyed me most of the time he was onscreen. Someone else would have done a way better job
Darth Vader's first reveal and scene with Mendelson was oddly campy and quite amusing
Very boring 1st+2nd act
Struggled to understand donnie yen very often
CGI humans were still CGI humans and distracting
Good.
Leads were very good. Although I still don't know anyone's names in it
Darth vader killing scene A+
Most of the third act was actiony and actually intense.
Loved that everyone died. It was a bold decision to make and shows the impact of this film having repecussions and the idea of lost/unspoken heroes.
Good fun cameos - even if they had distractingly cgi humans.
Film looks like it belongs with the rest of the universe
Ben Mendelson carried the movie as the main villian. Did a great job.
I thought James Earl Jones is dead and when his name appeared on the credit I was like WTF.
They did a good thing. This was a great star wars movie
I was personally somewhat bored til the assault on the library/beach island but the final 30 minutes was just high octane fun
Observations - the bad bits
whittaker is terrible in this. Sand is blowing into your eyes at miles/second and you stand there unblinking? He really annoyed me most of the time he was onscreen. Someone else would have done a way better job
Darth Vader's first reveal and scene with Mendelson was oddly campy and quite amusing
Very boring 1st+2nd act
Struggled to understand donnie yen very often
CGI humans were still CGI humans and distracting
Good.
Leads were very good. Although I still don't know anyone's names in it
Darth vader killing scene A+
Most of the third act was actiony and actually intense.
Loved that everyone died. It was a bold decision to make and shows the impact of this film having repecussions and the idea of lost/unspoken heroes.
Good fun cameos - even if they had distractingly cgi humans.
Film looks like it belongs with the rest of the universe
Ben Mendelson carried the movie as the main villian. Did a great job.
I thought James Earl Jones is dead and when his name appeared on the credit I was like WTF.
They did a good thing. This was a great star wars movie
Sounds plausible - like throwing the drugs out of the window in an alleyway so the cops don't got shit on you when they stop you.
95% of it was "I'm one with the force. The force is with me."
1% was the awesome "Are you kidding me?! I'm blind!" joke
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
and I realized Jenna is actually Jyn
I think at worst they attempt a Joesph Gordon Levitt in Looper makeup job. I think that's realistically as intense as they could go with that sort of thing -- Tarkin level CG is totally out of the question. I really hope they don't do a god damn thing beyond hair, skin and costuming. Let the performance speak for itself.
Read my above posts as to why Tarkin and Leia were CGI while others weren't.
They didn't apply makeup or CGI to Ewan McGregor either, Mon Mothma was tastefully recast as well.
If the acting, the makeup, the costumes, dialogue and direction are good, you don't need prosthetics or CGI to get the audience to understand who the character is supposed to be.
Don't assume that what was done in a film that is a companion piece to another, that literally takes place at the same time, at some of the same locations, would serve as precedence to what they'd do in a film that is set in an entirely different place, tells a different story, from a different time.
They didn't apply makeup or CGI to Ewan McGregor either, Mon Mothma was tastefully recast as well.
If the acting, the makeup, the costumes, dialogue and direction are good, you don't need prosthetics or CGI to get the audience to understand who the character is supposed to be.
Don't assume that what was done in a film that is a companion piece to another, that literally takes place at the same time, at some of the same locations, would serve as precedence to what they'd do in a film that is set in an entirely different place, tells a different story, from a different time.
ronaldthump
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It was VERY cgi ish and very distracting.
They try to make Tarkin human so he overacts and over tics to the point where they really need to dial down his facial mannerisms about 50-70% and tone down all the distracting face movement so it looks real. The final shot of him shooting off the death star has that atypical villian pose, what with they even placing him/sceneing the CGI character so you get the atypical villainous glint in his eye and that arched brow from an CGI film. Bad bad bad. No human actor will do that. You'll spot it more once you know what to look for. Everytime he was on screen, I was like urgh.
Technically they didn't recast Mon Mothma for this as it was the same actress cast in the role from Revenge of the Sith.
They had a stand in Tarkin in one of the final shots of RotS as well, right? Not that I remember dialogue or a close up, but I believe he showed up.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I always thought the fish-like alien was Ackbar, turns out it wasn't him.
Yeah, but that was a fairly terrible prosthetic.
It seems like they made the decision fairly early on to throw their weight behind CG recreations, and although it's a bit jarring I think it works.
I just got back from seeing it. There are a few things I liked about but overall it was pretty terrible. I can't believe some people actually like it more than The Force Awakens.
The horrendous CGI on Tarkin and Leia almost ruined the movie for me. It completely breaks the illusion and magic of watching a film when the only thing you can concentrate on is how fake it looks. Just leave those characters out of it if you can't do them CGI.
There were some very cool locations and a few interesting characters (all the interesting ones died though, so whatevs).
The horrendous CGI on Tarkin and Leia almost ruined the movie for me. It completely breaks the illusion and magic of watching a film when the only thing you can concentrate on is how fake it looks. Just leave those characters out of it if you can't do them CGI.
There were some very cool locations and a few interesting characters (all the interesting ones died though, so whatevs).
Boogalogist
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That's Admiral Raddus, inspired by Winston Churchill.
He's supposed to be a Mon Calamari from the cold region of their planet...hence, the different skin color.
At least he pulls off some nice tactics instead of stating "It's a trap!".
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Jyn >>>>>> Rey
also the pragmatism of Cassian shows how much Rebellion ain't fooling around and that's something fresh. K2 wasn't a retread of different robot tropes, instead he's his own character. And again, it didn't ape ANH but rather fleshed it out.
Ah so same species. Glad they're keeping the notion that they're good heads though.
The color leaders weren't the same guys (in-universe I mean) right? Since I remember one of them dying in the base dogfight.
Maaaaan just got back from watching it!
The first hour or so was pretty slow. I was beginning to think it was worse than Attack of the Clones.
The first hour or so was pretty slow. I was beginning to think it was worse than Attack of the Clones.
Surprisingly once they decided to go and fight the film becomes very good. Great dog fights and pretty emotional finish.
The link up with ANH was excellent.
Wasn't sure about the CGI of that general- was pretty uncanny valley but overall pretty impressed.
The link up with ANH was excellent.
Wasn't sure about the CGI of that general- was pretty uncanny valley but overall pretty impressed.
Jyn was flat and delivery was bad. Maybe the script didn't give her much to work with. I don't know. I didn't like her. Cassian was my favourite character in it but I didnt believe his change in tact to helping Jyn, it was a bit sudden and strange. Just for the sake of moving the plot on. And he should have had a better death rather than miraculously get to the top of the tower and defeat the villain with a single shot. It was just a bit silly.
I liked the Rebellion being much more fleshed out. I can't believe I'm saying it, but the politics of the Rebellion was interesting.
So maybe my brain isn't working, but who is the "Jedi that helped him out greatly during the Clone Wars" that Jimmy Smits was referring to when talking to Mon Mothma when they decided to help out with securing the plans? He mentioned a 'she' so it's maybe some Clone Wars animated show character?
Red 1 and Gold 1 were the same guys as in episode IV. Both died in Battle of Yavin. Blue 1 died in this movie.
Miles Quaritch
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It was supposed to be Obi Wan, but I don't recall them interacting at all until the end of RoTS.
Anyone have any idea why the C2-B5 droid didn't show up in the film?
Its potential appearance was all over the UK press a couple of months ago and there's been toys and merch made. Was really looking forward to a sinister Artoo.
http://metro.co.uk/2016/09/02/star-...alled-c2-b5-but-fan-opinion-is-split-6105520/
Its potential appearance was all over the UK press a couple of months ago and there's been toys and merch made. Was really looking forward to a sinister Artoo.
http://metro.co.uk/2016/09/02/star-...alled-c2-b5-but-fan-opinion-is-split-6105520/
is it 'not a recast' if she was never used in any of the movies, really?
it was a recast back then already.
it wasn't a recast from "deleted scenes from Episode 3 to rogue one"
a technicality, if you ask me
"a second actress played Mon Mothma within the Star Wars franchise of films"
yeah, the fact that even within the Rebellion, there's naysayers, hopefuls, rogues, etc. that was kinda neat. There's hints of this in the Poe Dameron arc in the book leading up to The Force Awakens. Like how some within the New Galactic Republic were underestimating the First Order, so the more vigilant ones formed the 'Resistance'
Btw, Blue 1 was the moustache general, right? and he's the one to have the fleet move to ... uhm ... Plan heist planet (i keep forgetting the name)
I could have sworn he referred to the Jedi as a 'she' though in that exchange though. Though I could have misheard. That dialogue exchange kept bugging me the rest of the movie, just thinking about who Smits was talking about.
The Jedi is Obi-Wan, the "she" is his daughter. They're talking about two individual people.
"i would trust her with my life" is what he says last, i think.
It's basically "yeah, we should take the plans to Obi-Wan Kenobi - and the person who should take them there shall be my daughter, princess Leia"
It's the whole reason she's part of the fleet that comes after Rogue One.
I think so. General Merrick I believe.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
she starts out really dull but I feel she gets going in Jedha. She goes from the rebel not being about her to being about her connection I feel was done well. At the very least, she had a stake in the plot which makes me like her more than Rey.
Yeah him suddenly going alive was lame, but he dies anyway so I guess it's okay lol
Ahh right, I guess they managed to escape before Vader's battleship came in.
Hmm wait, wasn't Vader also participating in the dogfight, or was it just a trooper? Since I thought it was the same look Vader had in ANH.
Nope, Vader was never shown to be in a TIE cockpit. Maybe, in the grand scheme of things, the fact that he personally uses his own TIE advanced to fend of the Rebels should still be something special in ANH.
neither really. Hinted at.
George Oscar Bluth II
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I really liked this film. First 20-30 minutes felt a little clunky but everything after that was great. It complements ANH in the best way possible. Really makes you feel the weight of what they're fighting for.
I liked the supporting characters more than I didn't the lead, honestly. Not saying Jyn was bad but I believe she wasn't as strong a character as the rest and was also hindered by a somewhat stiff performance.
The CGI for Tarkin was very jarring, but I do appreciate it all the same. Maybe it was just me getting used to the effect, but I do feel it looked more convincing after the first two scenes with him. The waxy skin (especially around the eyes) and mouth movements were the biggest flaws. He looked great on certain angles, though. Leia was off as well but it was pretty brief so eh whatever.
That Vader scene at the end... Hnnnng. Also his castle is very cool. Glad they brought it in.
One final thing: the cameos were a bit much. I really didn't need to see Ponda Baba and the doctor dude or C-3PO and R2. Felt too nudge and wink to me... Actually more like grabbing my head and going "LOOK. LOOK AT WHO IS IN THIS MOVIE."
I liked the supporting characters more than I didn't the lead, honestly. Not saying Jyn was bad but I believe she wasn't as strong a character as the rest and was also hindered by a somewhat stiff performance.
The CGI for Tarkin was very jarring, but I do appreciate it all the same. Maybe it was just me getting used to the effect, but I do feel it looked more convincing after the first two scenes with him. The waxy skin (especially around the eyes) and mouth movements were the biggest flaws. He looked great on certain angles, though. Leia was off as well but it was pretty brief so eh whatever.
That Vader scene at the end... Hnnnng. Also his castle is very cool. Glad they brought it in.
One final thing: the cameos were a bit much. I really didn't need to see Ponda Baba and the doctor dude or C-3PO and R2. Felt too nudge and wink to me... Actually more like grabbing my head and going "LOOK. LOOK AT WHO IS IN THIS MOVIE."
Lifejumper
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Mentioned. I dont get the TFA nostalgia complaints but this one gets a free pass?
The nostalgia doesn't bother me tho.
That Film was... fantastic, just got out
How does it compare to the others? Why compare them,this is the start of the stand alones.
But still i feel like it was a Star Wars movie i never knew i wanted (except the bad cgi characters looked like something out of final fantasy the video game)
To us growing up we yearn for the wonky sets and the rubbery muppets, to the generation below us though they will yearn for the bad CGI
Ahh the Youth in the future i can already hear the quotes "remember when we were young and nothing was accurately photo realistic, remember the bad cgi? To hell with this perfect stuff"
How does it compare to the others? Why compare them,this is the start of the stand alones.
But still i feel like it was a Star Wars movie i never knew i wanted (except the bad cgi characters looked like something out of final fantasy the video game)
To us growing up we yearn for the wonky sets and the rubbery muppets, to the generation below us though they will yearn for the bad CGI
Ahh the Youth in the future i can already hear the quotes "remember when we were young and nothing was accurately photo realistic, remember the bad cgi? To hell with this perfect stuff"
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I also love the "the force is with me" line
ah all right, was just confused on the helmet
ah all right, was just confused on the helmet
Lifejumper
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Im most bummed out about the cut scene that involves Jyn running towards the AT ATs.
Mr. Pointy
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The theater didn't turn the lights on for half of the credits, so I thought there'd be a post credit scene featuring Tony Stark or Thor.
bobs...onGaf
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The whole cgi thing is interesting, im going to edit out my post and stay out of it lol
Mr. Pointy
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CG Paul Walker looked better than CG Peter Cushing and CG Carrie Fisher.
Lifejumper
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They didn't need to show Leia face at the end imo.
Makes sense. I totally misheard the exchange in the movie last night.
I need to rewatch Ep 4's opening again then. Was Leia aware that Obi-Wan was in hiding on Tattooine and delivering the plans there? I have fuzzy memories, but I suppose she would have known if she sent a personal message to Obi with R2 after jettisoning the droids onto Tattoine after Vader boards. I suppose its only after she is rescued by Luke/Han/Obi with R2 in stow that she pushes the group to travel to Alderaan to see well...Smits.
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