I doubt this particular movie has anything to do with. It's just a coincidence I guess.
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Rogue One: A Star Wars Story |OT| They rebel - SPOILERS
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I doubt this particular movie has anything to do with. It's just a coincidence I guess.
Bobby Roberts
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This isn't new. It's been done before.
This movie didn't warrant anything. I think it's explained somewhere in this thread, even. Or maybe the other one. But I know it was discussed somewhere.
Arriving at the notion the way things were done wasn't optimal happened before this movie came out. You just didn't notice prior.
What if they just wanted to get drunk on Mos Eisley because booth lost their family on Jeddah.
And then Obi Wan and Luke entered the cantina.
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Bobby Roberts
Banned
They have the death sentence on 12 systems, remember.
That was probably the 12th.
That was probably the 12th.
Freewheelin'
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Thought that bit with Pignose bloke was a little on the nose. Threepio and Artoo was good though.
God, I keep watching that Vader leak since coming out of the cinema. I'm glad the film used him sparingly, and think that SW shouldn't just rest on old iconography all the time, but... I could easily have watched more of that. It was great. Redeems him so much after the end of ROTS and a fairly clunky scene with Krennic in the middle of this.
God, I keep watching that Vader leak since coming out of the cinema. I'm glad the film used him sparingly, and think that SW shouldn't just rest on old iconography all the time, but... I could easily have watched more of that. It was great. Redeems him so much after the end of ROTS and a fairly clunky scene with Krennic in the middle of this.
Fresh out the theater:
1. First half slow.
2. I didn't realize that the Imperial cargo ship had so many soldiers when they arrive to the beach head. "Make 10 feel like a 100", well there was at least 50, wtf.
3. I got goosebumps from Vader's last scene. I was in awe.
4. The same goes with my man Tarkin, not impress with Leia.
5. In my heart I wanted that all live happy ever after, this movie is dark man.
1. First half slow.
2. I didn't realize that the Imperial cargo ship had so many soldiers when they arrive to the beach head. "Make 10 feel like a 100", well there was at least 50, wtf.
3. I got goosebumps from Vader's last scene. I was in awe.
4. The same goes with my man Tarkin, not impress with Leia.
5. In my heart I wanted that all live happy ever after, this movie is dark man.
WadiumArcadium
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Cassian was a lot more interesting than I expected. I assumed he'd be the strait-laced member of the team from the marketing, but I loved how they showcased some of the dirtier tactics the rebels had to resort to.
The robot had more charisma than any of them! It's such a dull cast of characters, which lead to me not being particularly invested in the film's climax :/
Rumblebones
Banned
It may be because I was hyped for Giacchino to deliver some amazing stuff, but I feel like the soundtrack in Rogue One was trying to channel as much of the originals as possible with as little deviation as possible.
I ran it by the friends I was with and the ones that said they paid attention to the sound by and large felt the same way with a few being unsure.
I'm watching the film again in a few days so I'll give it another close listen then.
WadiumArcadium
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Just realised Barristan Selmy from Thrones was playing Dodonna. I thought he looked familiar.
Coulomb_Barrier
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Just saw this and I'm very, very disappointed. What a poor Star Wars film.
There was no real 'wow that was cool' moment in the entire damn film. When I saw Donnie Yen was in the film I thought 'sign me up'. The holy marriage of Star Wars with martial arts was a prospect so tantalising - yet criminally, this wasn't leveraged. They could have made Chirrut the Blind Monk the coolest Star Wars character since Darth Maul but they only gave him one cool moment in the film when he walks through the lasers untouched. Criminal. The only other cool bit was Darth at the end letting loose with the lightsabre.
The villain - there wasn't one, just some old guy in a white suit. This is Star Wars ffs, there needs to be a worthwhile villain. This ain't James Bond. Even that robot general in the 3rd reboot was better than this dastardly cliche.
Characters/actors - the two leads were poor. Jyn was boring and just runs around looking glum. Cassian was played by a poor actor and I just didn't get him.
I was given no reason to give a fuck about Jyn or Cassian. What was their backstory? What did Jyn do to make me give a damn about her? She had no endearing qualities at all. Forest Whittaker's character could have been interesting but the way he was portrayed was confusing and he gets killed off pretty fast.
There was no real 'wow that was cool' moment in the entire damn film. When I saw Donnie Yen was in the film I thought 'sign me up'. The holy marriage of Star Wars with martial arts was a prospect so tantalising - yet criminally, this wasn't leveraged. They could have made Chirrut the Blind Monk the coolest Star Wars character since Darth Maul but they only gave him one cool moment in the film when he walks through the lasers untouched. Criminal. The only other cool bit was Darth at the end letting loose with the lightsabre.
The villain - there wasn't one, just some old guy in a white suit. This is Star Wars ffs, there needs to be a worthwhile villain. This ain't James Bond. Even that robot general in the 3rd reboot was better than this dastardly cliche.
Characters/actors - the two leads were poor. Jyn was boring and just runs around looking glum. Cassian was played by a poor actor and I just didn't get him.
I was given no reason to give a fuck about Jyn or Cassian. What was their backstory? What did Jyn do to make me give a damn about her? She had no endearing qualities at all. Forest Whittaker's character could have been interesting but the way he was portrayed was confusing and he gets killed off pretty fast.
I liked how it didn't go too far with sugar-coating the rebellion, it showed the 'dark side' so to speak, of the rebel alliance. I think Cassian might've been my favourite character in the film.
Yeah, the rebellion politics was the most interesting thing in the film for me, though a shame there's not that much time spent on it.
Coulomb_Barrier
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Says a lot about the film that the scene at the end with one of the old characters was the best bit. I actually think that's the best thing about the entire film.
They had Donnie Yen ffs yet they did shit with him. Like I said, he could have been some matrix dodging fighting jedi blind monk but he was allowed to do F all.
They had Donnie Yen ffs yet they did shit with him. Like I said, he could have been some matrix dodging fighting jedi blind monk but he was allowed to do F all.
WadiumArcadium
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I disagree completely there. Chirrut was one of my favourite characters. He beat the shit out of a squad of stormtroopers and shot down a TIE fighter, I don't see how he didn't do anything. He had some pretty funny lines as well. Yen didn't feel wasted to me.
Agreed; he was one of the stronger elements of the film. I really liked his final scene in the film.
Saw the film again.
I think perhaps the single most memorable scene for me is Galen Erso's message to Saw and Jyn. Such a heartfelt message. Mikkelsen's performance was all around great, i think.
Also, Jyn seems to be a Force Sensitive. Her reaction when the Jedha City is destroyed could be from the message yet the timing coincides with the destruction of the city.
And Baze does call her "little sister". Chirrut is certainly a Force Sensitive, and Baze seems to be one almost certainly as well, so his words kinda imply Jyn is one as well.
Based on Catalyst, Lyra Erso was almost Force Sensitive so Jyn being one is quite reasonable.
EDIT And Donnie Yen as Chirrut... he is great. His mantra about the Force can be seen as goofy but i felt it fit perfectly with the character and his scenes.
I think perhaps the single most memorable scene for me is Galen Erso's message to Saw and Jyn. Such a heartfelt message. Mikkelsen's performance was all around great, i think.
Also, Jyn seems to be a Force Sensitive. Her reaction when the Jedha City is destroyed could be from the message yet the timing coincides with the destruction of the city.
And Baze does call her "little sister". Chirrut is certainly a Force Sensitive, and Baze seems to be one almost certainly as well, so his words kinda imply Jyn is one as well.
Based on Catalyst, Lyra Erso was almost Force Sensitive so Jyn being one is quite reasonable.
EDIT And Donnie Yen as Chirrut... he is great. His mantra about the Force can be seen as goofy but i felt it fit perfectly with the character and his scenes.
Did you arrive late to the film? The very first scene isJyn's backstory and Cassian talks about being part of The Rebellion since he was 6 and that he lost 'everything' to the Empire. What did you want more? Elaborate flashback sequences detailing Cassian's entire life? They got more of a backstory than most main characters from The Force Awakens.
Wait what? How did you miss this, it was blatant.
Coulomb_Barrier
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You're joking ain't you. I realise this isn't a Chinese martial arts film but watch some of Donnie Yen's films. The potential that was wasted was criminal. He had one by the numbers fight scene and that was it.
Wut.
Disagree, and I'm listening to the soundtrack right now. You could say, maybe, that the soundtrack isn't that good, but that it relied heavily on the Original Trilogy? Nah. It barely even references previous Star Wars themes.
Coulomb_Barrier
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I know she ran away as a child but what the hell happened between then and adulthood? Why are we meant to give a shit about her please explain to me.
WadiumArcadium
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He was never the main character. Plus Yen choreographed most of his own action.
Lifejumper
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The empire robbed her of a normal childhood? Her father is being used against his will? The empire killed her mother?
So you did want elaborate flashbacks. Maybe if you ask nicely, Lucasfilm will make a Rogue Zero detailing Jyn's life up until her capture by the Empire.
I'm not sure 'ran away' would be the right term, separated from her parents by the Empire more so. She was raised by Saw Gerrera, who abandoned her when elements of the Rebel Alliance began realizing she was the daughter of an imperial scientist. He found it tougher to protect her, so he abandoned her. Her fathers legacy followed her, but she get's to rewrite that, and ultimately her own legacy, by handing the Rebel Alliance the plans for the Death Star.
Bobby Roberts
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There's less than 5 minutes total of Williams in this. That's not exaggeration.
Might even be less than 3, if I had to go through and actually clock it.
Yeah, I counted.. three, possibly four minor references throughout. I'd say less than 2 minutes worth even, if you added it all up. Excluding the end credits of course.
I'm not sure I even understand what other information you're after but off the top of my head having only seen the film a few hours ago we learned:
-As a child she watched her mother get murdered and her father get taken away.
-She was taken in by an extremist rebel.
- He dumps her as a teenager and she didn't know why (people were figuring out she was the daughter of an important imperial scientist).
-She basically ends up a criminal and gets arrested.
-She obviously feels constantly abandoned and is shocked that someone actually would want to stay around her.
What are you after, her weekly schedule for 10 years?
Coulomb_Barrier
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She runs around looking glum the whole film. No personality at all. I didn't care. The relationship between her and her father wasn't convincing.
Carl2291
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Huh...
Empire kills her mother, arrests her father and she is raised by Saw for 10 years until the age of 16. He abandons her when he figures out the rebels will use her due to her family name, at which point she has to fend for herself... Which is when she racks up her criminal record and gets arrested by the Empire.
That's all in the film.
BrettHeazy
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We weren't meant to really care for any characters, they're all gonna die and we're never going to see them again. That's my view, I felt a serious lack of attachment to any characters and couldn't wait for that robot to die! But that's ok, I knew we were never gonna see them again.
Tarkins CG looked like a Frostbite render, good render just stuck out like a sore thumb against a live actor, Leia was more impressive as I didn't have any humans to compare her to.
My overall opinion: Really enjoyable movie with loads of flaws to nitpick about. 7/10.
Slightly Live
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Heard a voice call announcement for General Syndula in the Yavin IV hanger - a Rebels reference surely?
Coulomb_Barrier
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Show her fighting, doing something cool, being witty, being bad-ass. Show us a scene when she was a rebel that shows why she could be the one to steal the Deathstar plans and carry this film. Instead what we get is like an English university student dumped into the middle of an epic Star Wars film and you've telling me that's compelling?
Lifejumper
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Yeah. Chopper was at Yavin base too.
Wow man, completely disagree. You're right, this isn't a Chinese martial arts film, and what we saw from Donnie Yen was great, but he's not going to do incredible Wuxia moves in a Star Wars movies, especially when he's not a Jedi. He's force sensitive, but he won't spend the entire movie flying around and undermining the Jedi in the universe.
The villain is the Empire. Yes, Krennick is the antagonist to Jyn and her family, but the main antagonist is the Empire as a whole, against the Rebels, represented by also several characters, not just one. A lot of people will not love this aspect of the movie because it will make it harder, supposedly, for them to attach themselves to the story, but for me and many others it worked because the conception of the movie itself was the story about the Rebels (plural) who stole the Death Star plans.
Most people will be comfortable with just how much we saw of the characters I bet (and most reactions are proving this) because they weren't 100% the point of the movie. I was actually surprised how much I ended up caring about them at all, since I wasn't expecting much of a character driven story.
There's more Lost and J.J. Abrams Star Trek in the soundtrack than John Williams.
Lifejumper
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Donald glover debuting his Lando look: https://youtu.be/Aud86OSqQ1w
Scrooge McDuck
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And this has nothing to do at all with her backstory or what she did between childhood to adulthood. I mean, people are contesting the "what was their backstory" part of your initial criticism, not the "what did Jyn do to make me give a damn about her" one.
I went in with 0 expectations.
I think we can all agree the writing was quite underwhelming (that doesn't stop a movie from being compelling, precisely like the star wars movies
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Extremely cheesy and cliché at times.
I thought the action was shot extremely well.
The soundtrack was mostly awful safe for iconic themes and one or two original ones. The main theme being a semi rip off of the Phoenix from harry potter didn't help.
The acting tried their best with the lines they had to work with.
The cast is great.
The cinematography was a LOT better than Episode VII.
The CGI (and CGI actors) were sort of painful but I appreciate the effort.
I do appreciate the fanservice but I'm not sure it is handled properly, as in it feels a bit shoe horned at times and a newcomer wouldn't get the point of quite a lot of stuff.
So....
I would have given a 5 out of 10 for this movie.
But turns out I enjoyed the final minute more than episode VII in its entirety, so that's worth 2 points alone for the ending.
I left the theater satisfied while being mixed about the movie.
So in the end I'd give it 7/10.
Definitely worth watching.
I think we can all agree the writing was quite underwhelming (that doesn't stop a movie from being compelling, precisely like the star wars movies
). Extremely cheesy and cliché at times.
I thought the action was shot extremely well.
The soundtrack was mostly awful safe for iconic themes and one or two original ones. The main theme being a semi rip off of the Phoenix from harry potter didn't help.
The acting tried their best with the lines they had to work with.
The cast is great.
The cinematography was a LOT better than Episode VII.
The CGI (and CGI actors) were sort of painful but I appreciate the effort.
I do appreciate the fanservice but I'm not sure it is handled properly, as in it feels a bit shoe horned at times and a newcomer wouldn't get the point of quite a lot of stuff.
So....
I would have given a 5 out of 10 for this movie.
But turns out I enjoyed the final minute more than episode VII in its entirety, so that's worth 2 points alone for the ending.
I left the theater satisfied while being mixed about the movie.
So in the end I'd give it 7/10.
Definitely worth watching.
I'm not telling you anything. You basically admitted to everyone you lack the ability to pay attention by proclaiming a character had no back story, despite the fact there were many scenes dedicated to providing her back story. I simply typed out what you missed.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Bobby Roberts
Banned
"I hope we all agree that this wasn't as good as a large majority of people have already claimed it was for them."
Weird hope
Weird hope
I went in with 0 expectations.
I think we can all agree the writing was quite underwhelming (that doesn't stop a movie from being compelling, precisely like the star wars movies
Your first mistake.
I'll be watching this a second time. When does he show up?
MrPing1000
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Saw it tonight, enjoyed it but it did have some flaws.
Vaders first scene is almost entirely pointless. Also you'd think Vader would want his home base to be as far away from lava as possible. I know James Earl Jones is getting on in years, but was that really the best take they got? He seemed to be speaking far too fast for Vader and who decided he should have a shitty punn to end the scene?
The bad guy is entirely forgettable, more a budding bureaucrat that menacing. Grand Moff Tarkin was far more scary. ( thought he might get a reprise after Jyn is pulled away from fucking him up some more after he's shot... nope.)
Some of the cameos were a little too on the nose. Not entering Lucas territory but the "wanted to 12th systems guys", R2D2, C-3PO all completely unnecessary. The film was strong enough to stand on its own, enough with the pandering. Tarkin, Vader, Leia's dad, Mon Mothma were all that was needed. I give Leia a pass as they had to end up a feelgood note.
Forest Whitaker's character felt like he was from another film, his death was approaching Papa Kent levels of stupid.
It looked like they were gonna set something up with the neckless... then it kinda doesn't go anywhere at all.
I seriously couldn't remember anyones name.
But all of that is kinda nitpicking, I did still enjoy it! The plot is entirely plausable in the establish canon, everyone dies!
Vaders first scene is almost entirely pointless. Also you'd think Vader would want his home base to be as far away from lava as possible. I know James Earl Jones is getting on in years, but was that really the best take they got? He seemed to be speaking far too fast for Vader and who decided he should have a shitty punn to end the scene?
The bad guy is entirely forgettable, more a budding bureaucrat that menacing. Grand Moff Tarkin was far more scary. ( thought he might get a reprise after Jyn is pulled away from fucking him up some more after he's shot... nope.)
Some of the cameos were a little too on the nose. Not entering Lucas territory but the "wanted to 12th systems guys", R2D2, C-3PO all completely unnecessary. The film was strong enough to stand on its own, enough with the pandering. Tarkin, Vader, Leia's dad, Mon Mothma were all that was needed. I give Leia a pass as they had to end up a feelgood note.
Forest Whitaker's character felt like he was from another film, his death was approaching Papa Kent levels of stupid.
It looked like they were gonna set something up with the neckless... then it kinda doesn't go anywhere at all.
I seriously couldn't remember anyones name.
But all of that is kinda nitpicking, I did still enjoy it! The plot is entirely plausable in the establish canon, everyone dies!
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