I can't believe they tried to get away with CG Moff Tarkin. Looks bad, won't age well, and totally unnecessary. I could understand it if he really was some cult favorite on the level of Boba Fett or something.....but he's just some Imperial lackey. I don't see the purpose in including him, given how ridiculously out-of-place he looks and how even fans of the character would probably groan.
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Second in Command after the Emporer is some Imperial Lackey?
I didnt. Loved every second of him.
World SkiFree
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Quoted this because it gave me a big laugh. I didn't track everyone's names too well but was nodding along with your labels.
Another good laugh but I too want to know more about this mysterious butler.
Back-In-Black
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Nah, that's exactly what I wanted fuck that hug bullshit. If you are about to die in a fucking megaton blast with a smoking hot babe or dude next to you the last thing you want to do is hug it out. Kiss that fucking woman, Cassian. But, yeah the supporting cast is pretty weak as far as characterization goes, the fact that I can't even really remember their names speaks volumes. Though at least machine gun guy had something of an arc from non-believer to believer in The Force.
Also does anybody know who that robe hooded figure was that bowed to Vader? Before he talked and had the camera facing him, I thought it was going to be Darth Sidious. Instead, it seemed like a random old guy.
Edit: So I wasn't the only one that thought it was Sidious before he bowed lol.
Edit: So I wasn't the only one that thought it was Sidious before he bowed lol.
BigJonsson
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He looked similar to one of Palpatine's servants in Jedi?
"Lackey" is perhaps too dismissive a word to use, but there's really no reason to warrant Tarkin's inclusion in the film.....particularly if they were already lining up someone else to be the main villain. Vader has to be there, but I don't see why Tarkin has to be.
WhiteRabbitEXE
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They did put a heck of a lot of personality into random Vader butler guy. But then it is Star Wars. We'll inevitably have enough material on him to fill out a 25,000 word Wookiepedia article.
BrokenFiction
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It might have worked better had Tarkin come in closer to the end after a critical mistake by Krennic. Then it would have been less CGI and probably looked better.
BigJonsson
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pr0cs
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Really enjoyed it, more than TFA no question. I liked that so many of the characters were unfamiliar, there were no expectations so a lot less feeling like they were going to try too hard with fanservice. TFA smacked badly with the nostalgia.
I don't understand the hate towards the Vader line, seemed appropriate.
Some more character exposure at the beginning would have helped, another 15 mins probably would have fixed some of the pacing.
I really liked the darker tone, I hope they continue this with the other movies. I don't need the token Disney endings where everything works out, I think the tone of this movie added some believability to the story.
I'd be tempted to see it again, TFA was enough once.
I don't understand the hate towards the Vader line, seemed appropriate.
Some more character exposure at the beginning would have helped, another 15 mins probably would have fixed some of the pacing.
I really liked the darker tone, I hope they continue this with the other movies. I don't need the token Disney endings where everything works out, I think the tone of this movie added some believability to the story.
I'd be tempted to see it again, TFA was enough once.
WhiteRabbitEXE
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He's the military leader of the Death Star, commanding it in a movie that takes places like 2 hours later, and we see him being involved with the Death Star on screen in a Saga film (Sith) as far back as 20 years before this point. It would kind of be really weird if he wasn't there.
FriendlyGoat
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Yeah these make it pretty obvious the original intent was for them to steal the plans, fail to escape via spacecraft, and then have to make a beeline for the dish in the background to transmit the plans. Maybe they needed to save time so they moved the dish to the top of the tower instead. It's kind of sad, considering the imagery of them running and the scale of the AT-ATs felt iconic in the marketing, but maybe it just wasn't working.Other scene that didn't make into the final cut
World SkiFree
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Yeah, I think the Krennec did a solid job of being a Tarkin-ish villain. Throw in some hologram-only Tarkin and things would've been okay. (Yes, I am more convinced that hologram Tarkin would've been a great CGI workaround). #teamhologramtarkin
BigJonsson
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Why didn't Edou have a shield or any planetary defences? Are X-Wings that stealthy? 
World SkiFree
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Lol, good point.
My original thought was that they were all gonna die after the plans were transmitted, but that they would get got by Vader in an epic entrance and kills them all one by one, with Jyn being the last to go. Just to show how unstoppable Vader was compared to a non-Jedi.
But the Vader scene we got kicked just as much ass.
PhoncipleBone
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WE MUST ALL BOW DOWN TO ZIMMER! ZIMMER IS GOD!
*plays squealing Wonder Woman riff from BvS.*
Scrooge McDuck
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Why didn't Edou have a shield or any planetary defences? Are X-Wings that stealthy?
Presumably because it's a low-priority secret facility.
Peter Ian Staker
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Palpy would never kneel.
BrokenFiction
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Now I really, really, REALLY want a brand new X-Wing v TIE Fighter game. C'mon Lucasfilm, get on this. You'll make bajillions.
Yea, those two are the Gogo and Umaro or Amarant and Quina of the squad. But really, even the more pronounced characters of the group were pretty flat and poorly developed too.
Ultimately, instead of a core unit of badasses working together like a family on the most important suicide mission of the franchise, you get a ragtag group of complete strangers that spend more time bickering and casting doubt on each other than growing any affection or attachment from the audience. Instead of rooting for their success, I found myself irritated and ambivalent to their eventual fates. Shame.
Yeah that's what I'm saying. But right before that it looked like Sheev from behind.
I thought if Tarkin was included at all, they would have shot him in silhouette and with body doubles. Or he would have been some glitchy low fidelity holo-transmission like the Emperor was in Empire Strikes Back. I did not expect him to be a full-on character shot in center frame alongside real-life actors. I just looks like junk, and along with Snoke will be remembered as one of the major special effects missteps of Disney Star Wars.
Honestly, if they wanted Tarkin to play such a major role they just should have recast him. Nobody is complaining about the recast of Obi-Wan or Mon Mothma.....and they often in fact marvel at how close those actors come to representing their original predecessors. An effective recasting means that they could have featured him in more semi-prequels, but since CG Tarkin is going to be widely panned I have to imagine they will just retire the character.
Does anyone know what the stormtroopers were referring to on Scarif? There was some dialogue between them about something being "obsolete" or "recalled" they mentioned a model number starting with "F", it completely flew over my head but some audience member seemed to acknowledge it. Any clue?
BrokenFiction
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IIRC, it was an inside joke referring to some banter that a couple of Stormtroopers were having on the Death Star during that scene where Obi-Wan was disabling the tractor beam.
Also the AT AT's were nerfed hardcore in the reshoot patch. They went down fast and barely did any damage to the rebels.
World SkiFree
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Yes, very impressed with the Battle of Endor-on-'roids finale. I was not expecting such an extended battle in this movie (particularly after the espionage-y setup in the first half). It was great to see the classic ships duking it out in dogfights, etc.
I was quite giddy when the Rebels warped into the Scarif scene.
Saw it earlier tonight. Good film, made better by the fact that it's set in the Star Wars galaxy. It was enjoyable all the way through with very few dud moments.
The first Vader scene was one of those duds though. The musical build up to the reveal of his castle was a bunch of over-the-top musical noise without a clear identity and in the scene itself they gave Vader way too much dialogue. In particular his sentences were so long they really lost the tone of Vader's speech. And that ending pun was just awful. It didn't sound like something OT Vader would ever say.
The action was solid and the new characters will serviceable and mostly enjoyable. The acting was actually solid, which went against what I expected from the clips and trailers. The CG Tarkin and Leia were a bad touch. The tech just wasn't there to support so much screen time for Tarkin in particular.
Good, fun Star Wars movie with a solid dose of drama for a story where we already know the ending. The 2nd Vader scene was fantastic. That's exactly what badass Vader should be like. If this is the baseline quality of "A Star Wars Story" films, I'm happy but no single element of this film was better than anything in TFA, not the acting, the action, the cinematography, the music, the cg, nothing.
The first Vader scene was one of those duds though. The musical build up to the reveal of his castle was a bunch of over-the-top musical noise without a clear identity and in the scene itself they gave Vader way too much dialogue. In particular his sentences were so long they really lost the tone of Vader's speech. And that ending pun was just awful. It didn't sound like something OT Vader would ever say.
The action was solid and the new characters will serviceable and mostly enjoyable. The acting was actually solid, which went against what I expected from the clips and trailers. The CG Tarkin and Leia were a bad touch. The tech just wasn't there to support so much screen time for Tarkin in particular.
Good, fun Star Wars movie with a solid dose of drama for a story where we already know the ending. The 2nd Vader scene was fantastic. That's exactly what badass Vader should be like. If this is the baseline quality of "A Star Wars Story" films, I'm happy but no single element of this film was better than anything in TFA, not the acting, the action, the cinematography, the music, the cg, nothing.
I think its T-5 and this is the closest thing to it: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lambda-class_T-4a_shuttle
World SkiFree
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Yes, my friends and I always used to joke about that odd "banter" scene from a New Hope. Stormtroopers just BSing, passing time chatter. Something like "Have you seen the new xxx." "Yeah, I hear it quite something." (I don't remember it anymore ...)
I didn't like the beginning of the movie but it picked up and honestly, the end was worth it. Sooo fucking good. Sucks that they didn't develop the characters much but they still had enough character to pull me in. I'm so-so on cg Tarkin but no one besides those who want to have something to debate about will keep bringing it up tbh. Majority of the people won't care.
That Vader scene was fucking incredible. No words. The sense of urgency that the end of the movie portrayed was great.
That Vader scene was fucking incredible. No words. The sense of urgency that the end of the movie portrayed was great.
Too bad it's EA that controls Star Wars video games. And the way they handled Battlefront...I wouldn't trust them even if they annouced a new Jedi Academy/Outcast or KOTOR 3. (Although I would shamelessly buy them day 1 anyway if they did...because I'm weak)
tearsintherain
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Just got back, pretty good but I'd rate it as the lowest of the trilogy + TFA, pretending the prequels don't exist. Way too much member-berries jutting in at awkward moments, and the dad / Jyn stuff really felt pretty underwhelming except for the "ahhh... so thats why the Death star can be destroyed with one shot". Forest Whitaker's character was a great IDEA but written, executed and acted very poorly.
I would have loved to have seen more of the Jedi temple, the guardians, and life under the Imperial boot and cut out most of the 1/2 half of the movie instead. They kept poking at interesting ideas like rebels who may have too much guilt on their souls or factions within the alliance that disagree vehemently but never really went anywhere with any of it. Its a bit weird that the best character in the movie was the imperial robot. CGI tarkin looked pretty good but CGI leia looked straight up right out of Battlefront. Console version, not PC.
Glad I saw it opening day and it was fun but a 7.5/10 at best.
I would have loved to have seen more of the Jedi temple, the guardians, and life under the Imperial boot and cut out most of the 1/2 half of the movie instead. They kept poking at interesting ideas like rebels who may have too much guilt on their souls or factions within the alliance that disagree vehemently but never really went anywhere with any of it. Its a bit weird that the best character in the movie was the imperial robot. CGI tarkin looked pretty good but CGI leia looked straight up right out of Battlefront. Console version, not PC.
Glad I saw it opening day and it was fun but a 7.5/10 at best.
PhoncipleBone
Banned
Thought they said it was the T16, which is referring to the T16 Skyhopper. The ship that Luke used to bullseye womprats with back home.
And also played with models of...
Totally. Oberyn Martel should have led this group.
jstevenson
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Need to see it a lot more - but right now my gut is 3rd best Star Wars movie.
The ending sequence is amazing, each death is awesome and worthwhile. Vader. My god.
They didn't name the planet Vader's tower was on. I found that to be an interesting choice considering everything else got a name.
Loved the aliens and worlds created on the first few locations. Felt so Star Wars / Mos Eisley.
Also - I read Catalyst, so I was kind of caught up to the situation before the film started... but the mass audience has to be confused as fuck for the first 20-30 minutes, talk about being dropped into a bunch of new characters.
Complaints:
-Jyn's character is a little flip-floppy between weird loner and inspirational leader, minor thing but her tone jumps around
-Cassian eh
-The whole segment to kill off dad. That planet felt like it bogged things down.
-CG Tarkin - so close... yet not quite there. Surreal to see him.
-Jumping to Hyperspace out of atmosphere. I think it's just all the Hyperspace rules are totally different in new canon and I haven't figured them out.
-How did C3PO/R2 get aboard Tantive IV and immediately get docked into the flagship. Minor but surprised me they were there.
Fan Service:
Loved Red 5 dying
Loved Red / Gold Leader
Hated Dr. Evazan and Ponda Baba... how small is this galaxy?
Kinda same reason I disliked R2/C-3PO in a random moment, but ok
Need to see it a lot more - but right now my gut is 3rd best Star Wars movie.
The ending sequence is amazing, each death is awesome and worthwhile. Vader. My god.
They didn't name the planet Vader's tower was on. I found that to be an interesting choice considering everything else got a name.
Loved the aliens and worlds created on the first few locations. Felt so Star Wars / Mos Eisley.
Also - I read Catalyst, so I was kind of caught up to the situation before the film started... but the mass audience has to be confused as fuck for the first 20-30 minutes, talk about being dropped into a bunch of new characters.
Complaints:
-Jyn's character is a little flip-floppy between weird loner and inspirational leader, minor thing but her tone jumps around
-Cassian eh
-The whole segment to kill off dad. That planet felt like it bogged things down.
-CG Tarkin - so close... yet not quite there. Surreal to see him.
-Jumping to Hyperspace out of atmosphere. I think it's just all the Hyperspace rules are totally different in new canon and I haven't figured them out.
-How did C3PO/R2 get aboard Tantive IV and immediately get docked into the flagship. Minor but surprised me they were there.
Fan Service:
Loved Red 5 dying
Loved Red / Gold Leader
Hated Dr. Evazan and Ponda Baba... how small is this galaxy?
Kinda same reason I disliked R2/C-3PO in a random moment, but ok
Peter Ian Staker
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It was Mustafar.
PhoncipleBone
Banned
Maybe Dr Evazan and Ponda Baba are doing the SW version of the pub crawl. Going from system to system, visiting only the best and seediest bars in the galaxy.
I really dont like that new trend, too. Back then, they were almost captured by Star Destroyers because they needed to calculate the jump because they could fly into a sun and now nobody cares.
BrokenFiction
Member
Same same. I'm a Star Wars slut.
The whole trailer that hyped me for the film never really existed. This is the most mediocre Star Wars film ever.
brandonh83
Banned
Wow. What a goddamned dumpster fire.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
That's not what he was asking. He wanted to know if it was digital makeup or full CGI.
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