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Rogue One: A Star Wars Story |OT| They rebel - SPOILERS

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aBarreras said:
he disobeyed orders for her sake, and he was there with her when the council didnt wanted to back her up. and you know he was right with his speech about "doing something about it"

also falling in love, you are cleary exagerating things now
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I agree with your first point - I'm not arguing that. My point is it happened very quickly and conveniently. The fact is she was pissed with him one moment, and the next scene everything was just fine in one conversation to the point they were staring at each other with at least some level of intimacy.
 
Just finished watching, my brief review:

First half bland
Second half great
Ending dope

Music OK, well made but completely forgettable and disappointing

CG people were well made but still looked awkward and straight in uncanny valley territory. Mainly due to animation bit graphics

Vader's voice was weird
 
Timu said:
It can't be worse than Episode 2, that's hard to top!
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It's not. It's better than the prequels because of what it doesn't have. They are similar though in that only about a fourth of the entire movie (if that) is worth watching.
Hey guys, at least next year we might get Star Wars: The Remake Strikes Back!

bounchfx said:
Vader's voice was weird
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Yep, mentioned that in the other thread. Immediately noticed how off it was. His outfit was off too somehow from how it looked in Episode IV. Chalked it up to aging I guess.
 
bounchfx said:
Just finished watching, my brief review:

First half bland
Second half great
Ending dope

Music OK, well made but completely forgettable and disappointing

CG people were well made but still looked awkward and straight in uncanny valley territory. Mainly due to animation bit graphics

Vader's voice was weird
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I think we all need to step back and just agree to all agree on that. :-)
 
Skel1ingt0n said:
And hours later she was falling in love with the man who blew her off when she confronted him for lying to her and attempting to kill her father.
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What? At most, the two of them are comforting one another while accepting their deaths. Even if they were beginning to fall for one another, they both seemed perfectly aware that it was far too late.
 
- J - D - said:
That's not accurate. We learn much more about Luke, Obi, Leia, and Han in ANH than we do about anyone in Rogue One not named Jyn.
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Carssan, was a boy that the empire took everything for him and he{s being fighting since he was six years olds, he has done things that he regrets, but believes he is doing it for the greater good.

the chinese guys are ex guardians of the temple, but after the jedi purge they kinda dont have a job anymore, the blind guy keeps believing and predicating the force even if he is not force user, the other guy was the most devoted guardian, but after the jedi purge he lost hsi fate.

the pilot was someone trying to do for once the right thing after understanding and coming to the realization that the empire is not good.

K2 was a robot trying to be equals to the other rebels.
 
If we are debating character development and what makes a relate-able protagonist, in the case of Luke there is one key distinction that helps:

We spend time with Luke before he is drawn into a huge galactic conflict. We see what his normal life is, and it is a very normal life within a scifi context. He lives with his aunt and uncle, he does chores, he has ambitions to escape his rural life. He was what a lot of young adults/teens are. Then he gets caught up in a situation way bigger than he is and becomes a hero. That's a classic hero arc that starts in a very relatable, normal place.

For Jyn, we see her as a child and her story starts with tragedy. The movie comes out the gate with heavy drama. Then she is in prison which, while dramatic, is not relatable in that every day way. We don't get a chance to sit with Jyn like we did Luke before the shit hits the fan.

Then there is stuff like the size of the cast and the tone of the film, pacing, etc which all impact character development.
 
Shaanyboi said:
What? At most, the two of them are comforting one another while accepting their deaths. Even if they were beginning to fall for one another, they both seemed perfectly aware that it was far too late.
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Apologies. I did exaggerate with "falling in love." That is not accurate. My point is there was some level of affection soon after incredible, unrivaled anger.
 
Anyone giving this an A+ smoked some dank shit prior to going. Movie was middling and paced weirdly, with too many uninteresting scene-setting shots that wasted time and too many moments that were cheesy as fuck. It was especially hilarious with the CGI actors and the juxtaposition of fan-service Vader with the one we know from the Episode IV intro.
 
aBarreras said:
Carssan, was a boy that the empire took everything for him and he{s being fighting since he was six years olds, he has done things that he regrets, but believes he is doing it for the greater good.

the chinese guys are ex guardians of the temple, but after the jedi purge they kinda dont have a job anymore, the blind guy keeps believing and predicating the force even if he is not force user, the other guy was the most devoted guardian, but after the jedi purge he lost hsi fate.

the pilot was someone trying to do for once the right thing after understanding and coming to the realization that the empire is not good.

K2 was a robot trying to be equals to the other rebels.
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Oh nice, you fit their entire character beats in just about one sentence each.
 
watershed said:
If we are debating character development and what makes a relate-able protagonist, in the case of Luke there is one key distinction that helps:

We spend time with Luke before he is drawn into a huge galactic conflict. We see what his normal life is, and it is a very normal life within a scifi context. He lives with his aunt and uncle, he does chores, he has ambitions to escape his rural life. He was what a lot of young adults/teens are. Then he gets caught up in a situation way bigger than he is and becomes a hero. That's a classic hero arc that starts in a very relatable, normal place.

For Jyn, we see her as a child and her story starts with tragedy. The movie comes out the gate with heavy drama. Then she is in prison which, while dramatic, is not relatable in that every day way. We don't get a chance to sit with Jyn like we did Luke before the shit hits the fan.

Then there is stuff like the size of the cast and the tone of the film, pacing, etc which all impact character development.
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This is my point. Hopefully your language makes it more clear than mine.
 
aBarreras said:
Carssan, was a boy that the empire took everything for him and he{s being fighting since he was six years olds, he has done things that he regrets, but believes he is doing it for the greater good.

the chinese guys are ex guardians of the temple, but after the jedi purge they kinda dont have a job anymore, the blind guy keeps believing and predicating the force even if he is not force user, the other guy was the most devoted guardian, but after the jedi purge he lost hsi fate.

the pilot was someone trying to do for once the right thing after understanding and coming to the realization that the empire is not good.

K2 was a robot trying to be equals to the other rebels.
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I feel like you had to intentionally not be paying attention to miss all of this. Good post.

I'm pretty convinced that Donnie Yen is a force user.
 
WhiteRabbitEXE said:
It wasn't 1:1 with the OT, but it worked. It was much better than it was in Rebels and Sith, for sure.
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I think Vader's voice was great. His first line absolutely nailed the sound of Vader for me. But the problem was they went on in that scene to give him way too much to say. His lines were a mouth full and he talked more extensively than Vader did in the OT. He said too much and seemingly spoke lines that didn't sound like Vader's voice. For me, the writing more than the performance ruined Vader's first scene.
 
HiredN00bs said:
Anyone giving this an A+ smoked some dank shit prior to going. Movie was middling and paced weirdly, with too many uninteresting scene-setting shots that wasted time and too many moments that were cheesy as fuck. It was especially hilarious with the CGI actors and the juxtaposition of fan-service Vader with the one we know from the Episode IV intro.
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OOOOHHHH NNNNOOOO
 
brandonh83 said:
Sadly Anakin had more complexity and I got why he did that stuff. I can't tell you a single thing about Jyn other than that she's a woman and that her dad was involved in making the Death Star. And hope.
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I have read all of your posts and I don't think I have ever disagreed with someone on movies as much I do with you on this film. Like, to the point where I think you're legitimately trolling right now.
 
WhiteRabbitEXE said:
Really though, worse than Clones? Dude.
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Yeah.

^^^not trolling, but I greatly disliked this to where I don't even care to talk about it much anymore, just laid out my initial problems which were unfortunately pretty large ones down to basic filmmaking fundamentals. See you guys Episode VIII time :p
 
aBarreras said:
Carssan, was a boy that the empire took everything for him and he{s being fighting since he was six years olds, he has done things that he regrets, but believes he is doing it for the greater good.

the chinese guys are ex guardians of the temple, but after the jedi purge they kinda dont have a job anymore, the blind guy keeps believing and predicating the force even if he is not force user, the other guy was the most devoted guardian, but after the jedi purge he lost hsi fate.

the pilot was someone trying to do for once the right thing after understanding and coming to the realization that the empire is not good.

K2 was a robot trying to be equals to the other rebels.
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Yay, you gave a whole sentence or two devotion to character development! I learned so much about these cardboard cutouts. The irony is, you gave about as much exposition and backstories for them as what the movie actually did; which is to say, nothing.

brandonh83 said:
Yeah.
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LOL, no.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hi5jjXTPtyY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fP7YJtjbZY
 
ZackieChan said:
I feel like you had to intentionally not be paying attention to miss all of this. Good post.

I'm pretty convinced that Donnie Yen is a force user.
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No one missed any of this

All of these descriptions are their motivations which we don't even see happen in the film, we're just told.

"This is Ted. Ted had a hard life but now he's gonna make it work." Great can't wait to learn more about Ted. Oh, wait that's it?

EDIT: Clones is trash don't even. I loved the prequels as I grew up with them and they had lightsabers and even elementary school me hated that movie
 
HiredN00bs said:
Anyone giving this an A+ smoked some dank shit prior to going. Movie was middling and paced weirdly, with too many uninteresting scene-setting shots that wasted time and too many moments that were cheesy as fuck. It was especially hilarious with the CGI actors and the juxtaposition of fan-service Vader with the one we know from the Episode IV intro.
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Right now you are seeing impressions from people fanatic enough to see a midnight showing. Impressions of this film will be considerably more negative over the coming days/weeks/months.
 
Overall I enjoyed it, but fuck was Tarkin distracting. They really shouldn't have given him as much screen time as they did, it really wasn't necessary to the plot, and lesser screen time like Leia would've made the faults in his CGI less obvious.

Vader scene at the end was great though.
 
Let's be real here, even if the character development in this was almost as close to ANH's, it should strive to do better because Rogue One's main characters don't have the luxury of surviving to have sequels further define their characters, so having deeper development in this one film should've been prioritized equally with the plot, because then their sacrifice would be that much more affecting and meaningful.
 
Veitsev said:
Right now you are seeing impressions from people fanatic enough to see a midnight showing. Impressions of this film will be considerably more negative over the coming days/weeks/months.
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You are in the minority. That is OK. Your opinion is valid without this bullshit. People kept saying the same thing about 7.
 
watershed said:
If we are debating character development and what makes a relate-able protagonist, in the case of Luke there is one key distinction that helps:

We spend time with Luke before he is drawn into a huge galactic conflict. We see what his normal life is, and it is a very normal life within a scifi context. He lives with his aunt and uncle, he does chores, he has ambitions to escape his rural life. He was what a lot of young adults/teens are. Then he gets caught up in a situation way bigger than he is and becomes a hero. That's a classic hero arc that starts in a very relatable, normal place.

For Jyn, we see her as a child and her story starts with tragedy. The movie comes out the gate with heavy drama. Then she is in prison which, while dramatic, is not relatable in that every day way. We don't get a chance to sit with Jyn like we did Luke before the shit hits the fan.

Then there is stuff like the size of the cast and the tone of the film, pacing, etc which all impact character development.
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Seems like apples to oranges to me. Jyn is dead. She wasn't meant to be built up like Luke. She was a cog. There are no savior god-characters here. This was a story about the cogs. The everyday rebels. Of course the characters are going to be smaller.
 
OricWindstar said:
Didn't anyone else have to hold in a groan when the two dudes from the ANH cantina showed up in Jeddha? That has to be the worst callback ever.
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The callbacks really needed to be seeing R2 and such in the background, not giving them random dialogue lines to hammer home that it's referential.
 
Veitsev said:
Right now you are seeing impressions from people fanatic enough to see a midnight showing. Impressions of this film will be considerably more negative over the coming days/weeks/months.
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Actually I expect the mainstream audiences will be absolutely fine with it. The rest of GAF will turn sour on it eventually however.
 
Veitsev said:
Right now you are seeing impressions from people fanatic enough to see a midnight showing. Impressions of this film will be considerably more negative over the coming days/weeks/months.
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People "fanatic enough" to see a midnight showing are at least equally likely to be obsessively critical as they are excessively generous. If anything, the most critical viewers of any major franchise are more likely to be diehard fanboys. Also, for most of the US midnight screenings don't exist anymore. They start at 7pm, so there's not really just dedicated folks going anymore anyway. Early premiers for major movies often net a lot of casual viewers who like to go to "events" as a thing to do.
 
ZackieChan said:
I feel like you had to intentionally not be paying attention to miss all of this. Good post.

I'm pretty convinced that Donnie Yen is a force user.
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Is there any way it could be perceived that he's not? I thought it was pretty obvious he was in tune with the Force albeit untrained. He pulls off feats that would be nearly impossible without the aid of the force, not to mention is able to feel with it in ways most are able to outside of the Jedi.

Overall I felt like this point was pretty hammered home.
 
It's a shame Rey wasn't around during this period to help the alliance.

She would have been able to tell everyone the weakness of the Death Star and how to blow it up without even needing the plans.

Burn.
 
JP_ said:
Seems like apples to oranges to me. Jyn is dead. She wasn't meant to be built up like Luke. She was a cog. There are no savior god-characters here. This was a story about the cogs. The everyday rebels. Of course the characters are going to be smaller.
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i agree with this. It feels almost intentional that we don't get as much build-up, as much of a back-story for a cast of characters that are all going to be dead by the end of the film.

They did, however, give plenty of build-up to what is arguably the most important plot element of this film, which is gonna be in Episode IV as well - the death star plans.

I don't see how spending extra time on the character development and motivations of Cassian would have helped the movie, really.
He does what needs to be done, does not refrain from shooting non-baddies to cut loose ends. He doesn't do what's "right", he does what is "needed".

He isn't meant to be a character the audience gets as deeply involved with as someone like Han, Leia or Luke.

I feel like i know more about him than about Poe, for example, though. (unless you read the EU books / comic books)
- how much do we know about every single soldier of the 'rescue' squad in Saving Private Ryan? - like, what do we know about the Sniper who speaks in bible verses? How is he dissimilar to Donnie Yen's character - "extremely capable fighter, mutters religions mumbo jumbo"

Veitsev said:
I fail to see how what I said is bullshit or why you should be so upset about it.
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i guess the sentiment of "opinions that are currently circulating aren't all that valid because they're fanboys' opinions".
Since it kinda cuts both ways. There's plenty of fanboys that are extremely nitpicky about everything that is not the OT.
 
Why does Vader even need a breach squad when boarding Leia's ship at the beginning of Episode 4? He should have just punched through the bulkhead, sliced the first dude in half with a lightsaber, then bowled over the next two with that dudes' legs and torso.
 
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