MadLaughter
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Rogue One: A Star Wars Story |OT| They rebel - SPOILERS
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That was so cool
Brian_FETO
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EA, please make a Hammerhead VR mission
I want to ram ships in the face, so that they crash into other ships
I'm having literally the opposite opinion about this.
This was a good movie
Not the best thing ever omg and not that it didn't have its weaknesses...but it was certainly good
Sanctuary
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Was my hearing just completely off, or did Mon Mothma always seem to mention "Captain Antilles" in every scene that had Bail Organa? I knew that the character Smitts was playing was Leia "Organa's" guardian, but I swear "Antilles" was said so much that I started to wonder if I misremembered his name.
MadLaughter
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I only caught it once, as she was walking through a door.
i can totally agree with Jyn being underdeveloped, btw. But comparing her to Luke - the central hero figure of the entire trilogy, is a bit unfair.
ViewtifulJC
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Rian Johnson pls save Star Wars
I fully back this.
WhiteRabbitEXE
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She did mention Captain Antilles, but she was not referring to Organa.
that dialogue was rather clunky, i think.
Within that one scene they hinted at Obi-Wan (Jedi whom Organa fought in the clone wars with), Leia (whom he would trust with his life), the Tantive IV, Captain Antilles....
it was a bit much, a very condensed delivery of callbacks
Why does every script for every movie need hyper-developed individual characters? Seems limiting. I'd like to think cinema can be more than that.
I really, really appreciated them actually developing the rebels as a faction. Think of the rebels as a character if you want. In the other movies, they're usually a backdrop for the heroes -- the cannon fodder for storm trooper lasers. This movie actually dives in and we get to see how they do their thing when the hero-gods aren't around. For me at least, it really made them feel so much more real. So much more... developed.
Your prediction on views on this film eventually aligning more with yours is pointless and won't happen. I assumed you wanted to happen to feel validated, but you should feel validated anyway. If I'm wrong about that assumption, I apologise, but considering how good reviews were, and how many people said the same thing about 7, your original point was bull.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
Then you kill them off. Just move on with new characters. Plus doing replicating actors through CGI is super expensive.
I still don't see how she's poorly developed.
We learn everything we needed to know about her character in order for the story to work. Expounding on the exact details of her childhood or her life before being imprisoned or whatever doesn't actually do anything useful insofar as telling this story goes. The nature of her character can easily be inferred by her actions.
I swear sometimes when some people say they ant to see more "character development", what they mean to say is "I want to learn as many irrelevant details about this person as humanly possible, time or pacing be damned."
My point was more about how in ANH the audience is given an easy entry point to relate to Luke whereas here, Jyn's story starts with tragedy and high drama and never steps down from that highly traumatic starting point so there's no easing into the character or real point of entry for the audience. Honestly, a relatively short introduction similar to how we see Rey going about her everyday life before getting caught up in the resistance stuff would have worked. For whatever reason the writers wrote the character and the plot in such a way that there is no real quiet before the storm in Rogue One.
Also, there are no "breather" scenes once the plot gets going where we see our band of rogues developing their relationships with each other. No sitting around the ship while in hyper space chewing the fat or sitting around licking each other's wounds.
I really enjoyed my time with it, looking forward to rewatches. Pacing was a bit wonky in the first half and the lack of certain Star Wars conventions was a bit odd (the lack of a John William's score and a title crawl chief among them). It's going to be a good film to reflect on and talk about in the future.
I would place it about on par with Return of the Jedi. Though it's worth noting, where Jedi had peaks and troughs of quality, this film was a lot more consistent in my opinion. Yay, rankings!
ESB > ANH = TFA > ROTJ = R1 >>>>> TPM > ROTS >>>>>>>>>> AOTC
I would place it about on par with Return of the Jedi. Though it's worth noting, where Jedi had peaks and troughs of quality, this film was a lot more consistent in my opinion. Yay, rankings!
ESB > ANH = TFA > ROTJ = R1 >>>>> TPM > ROTS >>>>>>>>>> AOTC
It was hilarious to me that he was so evasive with 'I trust Her' when she was on the freaking flagship and probably chilling in the base itself at that moment
The only reason he didn't just come out and say Leia can handle it was to fuck with the audience.. sigh
Why does every script for every movie need to develop individual characters?
I really, really appreciated them actually developing the rebels as a faction. Think of the rebels as a character if you want. In the other movies, they're usually a backdrop for the heroes -- the cannon fodder for storm trooper lasers. This movie actually dives in and we get to see how they do their thing when the hero-gods aren't around. For me at least, it really made them feel so much more real. So much more... developed.
Yeah, for example, we learned that the Rebels clearly have a kind of black-ops hit squad. They're clearly not all that good and pure as they seemed in the OT.
Also, we learned how their leadership, a council of 5(?), can be a hindrance to taking action when it's most needed.
Yet we learned that their highest officers - like General Moustacheface - are even willing to risk / sacrifice their own lives on the front lines, in the cockpit of an X-Wing - when the situation calls for it.
one might consider her sitting in the back of an Imperial transport, with her hands cuffed to be a short glimpse into her everyday life.
I don't need to feel validated. I just feel that once the dust settles on this film and people look at its clear flaws more critically the impressions will be more negative. Given that this is something that happens with many other films its not exactly a huge leap.
Brian_FETO
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Rogue One is an underdog story about regular people doing great things, and I personally didn't feel a connection with the characters for majority of the film.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
I would buy a Finn, Ren, or BB-8 action figure way before I even remember the name of the crew of paper thin flunkies that were the protagonists in this shit. Jynn is about as bland as Wonder Bread.
Same. Feel that it was the most important objective for a film like this to accomplish and it failed. Placed a higher priority on call backs to the OT and CGI set pieces than making us care about the rag tag group of underdogs that were all destined to die.
She would get a random janitor to tell them
Sanctuary
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Well, it certainly doesn't help either that there's a Bail Antilles as well as a "Captain" Antilles (who are unrelated) who worked for the House of Organa.
I don't understand the loathing for Attack of the Clones. It was awful, but so were the other two prequels. It also had the second best opening sequence too of the prequels. Regardless, I'd rank them about like that too, if not exactly in degrees. Although I'd still place Return of the Jedi well before The Force Awakens, despite my dislike of the Carebears.
WhiteRabbitEXE
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Hmmm... I disagree with a few of those placements (well, I think technically all of them), but overall I can still dig it.
Kind of sad when the best character in your movie about humans sacrificing themselves for a greater good is a droid.
I think I just realized a Star Wars film that's not meant to sell toys is what I've really been waiting for
The development of the rebel stuff was really well done. I didn't like the map room scene but the other stuff did give us a good look at how the rebellion functions and how there are competing visions of how to respond to the Empire.
But on the topic of Jyn, she's just a fairly flat character. Not particularly well written or acted but serviceable for the film.
the final 45 minutes saved the movie for me... up until halfway i was bored as fuck...
And I am a Star Wars fan...
The cast was (apart from the droid and Jyn) pretty disappointing... the character development was almost non existent and the plot had a ton of conveniently stupid things.
But at least the final battle was definitely the best directed Star Wars battle ever. So at least there was spectacle...
Not much substance though... :/
And I am a Star Wars fan...
The cast was (apart from the droid and Jyn) pretty disappointing... the character development was almost non existent and the plot had a ton of conveniently stupid things.
But at least the final battle was definitely the best directed Star Wars battle ever. So at least there was spectacle...
Not much substance though... :/
Miles Quaritch
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Jyn was vaporised on screen, what more do people need to be convinced she'd dead?
I liked that the movie ended with no-one surviving, it's rare for a story to actually end these days. Everything has to be have a sequel or allow for the possibility of a sequel, so it was refreshing to see them kill everyone and show the kinds of sacrifices that are made to allow Luke and co to land a blow against the Empire in Ep4.
I liked that the movie ended with no-one surviving, it's rare for a story to actually end these days. Everything has to be have a sequel or allow for the possibility of a sequel, so it was refreshing to see them kill everyone and show the kinds of sacrifices that are made to allow Luke and co to land a blow against the Empire in Ep4.
Brian_FETO
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I appreciated the emphasis on grenades. Some real nice explosions in this film
And seriously though that little dude with the gun, toys when
And seriously though that little dude with the gun, toys when
Maybe she got superpowers and didnt aged later on.
But she became radioactive, so she had to be brought to Jakku #Twist #ItsAllConnected
That ending sequence with
holy fucking shit.
Darth Vader,
I seriously hope we get more side movies featuring him as a younger guy, because that was one of the best things I have ever seen in any Star Wars movie. Shame he's dead in the current timeline because I'd love to see more badassery like that.
can't say that i really disagree with you.
To be fair, "Bail Antilles" is never really mentioned in the films, i think?
* Bail Organa - adoptive Father of Leia Organa (born Skywalker)
* Captain Raymus Antilles - Captain of the Tantive IV
* Wedge Antilles
all have roles within the movies.
But - cmiiw - Wedge is never really mentioned by his full name (usually it's just his call-sign, or Luke calling him 'Wedge' )
So from just watching the films, there shouldn't really be any confusion, as the only "Antilles" specifically mentioned by name in the movies is the Captain of the Tantive IV
The best retcon in the whole movie was making the Death Star's killer flaw a conscious choice and not random lack of oversight or pure movie plot convenience. I like that it sets up the destruction of the Death Star through exploitation of this flaw as the fulfilling of Jyn and her father's ambition.
ghostwritingduck
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I don't think any of the people are meant to be average. Jyn was described as a better soldier at 16 than anyone else. I do agree that I felt detached from the main cast.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
In ANH did they ever specify that it's weakness was a lack of oversight?
Rawr Its Ry
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Besides Mon Mothma, Bail, Tarkin and Leia what other cameos were there? I saw R2/C3PO, red leader, gold leader, chopper, the "I got the death sentence on 12 systems" & his friend + the ghost and on yavin the p.a paging for General Syndulla(yooooooooooo) and Antilles reference.
Also, final act was amazing and I don't know if 8 or 9 will have a space battle that good.
Also, final act was amazing and I don't know if 8 or 9 will have a space battle that good.
Off the top of my head I can't recall but it definitely wasn't ID'd as an intentional weakness in the design as it is in Rogue One.
Why would a fully intelligent AI character be any less to your emotional investment than the human character?
There's an All AI Lives Matter joke in here that I'm choosing not to make.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
dad joke vader was just NO
I think the implication is that it's a thermal exhaust port so small and so well defended that you really wouldn't have any reasonable expectation someone could hit it and thus it wasn't ever a concern. Other X-Wings take a shot without the aid of the force/plot abilities and simply aren't able to hit it, so it adds to the lack of oversight angle or perhaps more of a assumption that enough was done.
The new retcon is far better.
They really outdid themselves.
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