Rogue One: A Star Wars Story |OT| They rebel - SPOILERS

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Sylas said:
I don't remember anyone's name other than Jyn and Cassian. Oh, and Galen Urso because they said his name 8358103 times before swiftly killing him off.
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Personally I rarely remember a character's name that well in any movie, lol, so it's barely an indicator for how good a character is (to me).
 
nicoga3000 said:
As much hate as TFA and Kylo get, I really really really hope that Kylo becomes [even close to] as menacing as Vader in 8 and 9. Vader is just so fucking imposing and I love it.

Question about the Death Star. It was used twice in this movie - once to destroy the temple on Jedha and once on Scarif. Did they destroy Scarif or just blow up the com tower?
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I think it was used both times in low power mode where it fires into the planet and just destroys a huge area around the ground zero like an atom bomb instead of the whole planet getting destroyed in the blink of an eye, like Alderaan.

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Eggbok said:
Yeah, doesn't Tarkin say in ANH that them using it on Alderaan would be the first time it's used at full power and it would be a demonstration to show its full capabilities or something like that.
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Yep
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The score was seriously disappointing. My only actual qualm with the movie that wasn't effects related.

I know he only had 3-4 weeks but man, these are easily his worst cues of all time. Decent enough themes but the placement and orchestration were all over the place.
 
darkazcura said:
The characters were awesome in this movie. Going to have to completely disagree with you there. I liked TFA a lot, but this movie had me feeling for the characters on a completely different level than TFA, which is fine considering TFA was an introduction for its characters more than anything else.
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Crazy thing is
I felt more when K2SO died in this movie than I did with Han in TFA.

Peter Ian Staker said:
I think it was used both times in low power mode where it fires into the planet and just destroys a huge area around the ground zero like an atom bomb instead of the whole planet getting destroyed in the blink of an eye, like Alderaan.
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Yeah, doesn't Tarkin say in ANH that them using it on Alderaan would be the first time it's used at full power and it would be a demonstration to show its full capabilities or something like that.
 
For those who are complaining about Tarkin and Leia, I had the complete opposite effect. I was in awe at how we are able to bring these characters back to life in their respective ages (considering one is deceased).

My thoughts:

-I really like that they brought Jimmy Smits at back as Bail Organa. The nods that have been done to the prequels so far have been handed really well.
-It was great seeing some ties to Clone Wars TV Show and Rebels. Saw Gerrera was great to see in live action. For those of you that have not watched Clone Wars and Rebels, you really need to. There's quite a few references to both shows in this film. Nicely done there.
-As said above, having Tarkin and Leia make appearances was excellent. I went into this mostly blind, avoided all media this time. So when Tarkin first appeared, my jaw dropped.
-Vader's lines to Crennin were on point. I don't get all the hate, Vader was a snarky sumbitch in ANH, which is what Edwards wanted to emulate with Vader in Rogue One. Him wrecking fools at the end was awesome to see, but every time Vader does something cool (Rebels season 2, and now this), then I see his lightsaber fight against Obi-Wan in ANH, it just becomes more jarring. I just have to tell myself that Vader was purposely holding back against Obi-Wan in that fight.
-There was significant weight added to something that a lot of us poked fun of over the years. The "hole the size of a womprat" ended up playing the crutch to force this story along.
-The way they used the old school buttons, screens, etc. never lost a beat despite being 30 years later. That look really stands the test of time.

Enjoyed it as much as TFA, maybe a little more because it was the first movie back in the OT universe. It almost makes this feel like watching this and Episode IV right after as one big story. I cannot wait to see it again.
 
I was a little thrown by Cushing also, not because he looked bad (he didn't, they are liars) but because obviously he's been dead for 40 years and looked here like August 1976, etc. At first I was like "eh, clever... I guess.." and then at the end of the movie I was "ooooooohhhhhh... I get it"

So I get why they did it, and actually loved the movie... but until you get that revelation that this takes place MINUTES BEFORE EpIV, some of those choices just seem more flashy and don't seem to have much purpose prior to that.

Loved the movie.. comparisons to the Saga seem moot (good or bad). The Saga is a space opera... this is a pure war movie. I was mixed on it until the end and when it all finally came together I felt it was exceptionally well done.
 
Random thought, but I did enjoy how the Rebellion was portrayed as just that--largely ineffective and a little incompetent. They didn't feel like the other side of a war, they seemed like people that were always inches away from being wiped out.
 
Just saw this today. Amazing Star Wars movie that eclipses The Force Awakens (TFA) in my opinion. I feel like the rehashed familiar and safe groundy stuff that TFA went for has been finally been washed away by this masterpiece.

Bit that struck me the most is that they finally protrayed the Rebellion as more of a greyish organization that isn't wholly good and would do anything to fulfill their aims, unlike the more sanitized protrayal of them in the previous movies.

Shiet has consequences in this movie, the characters felt more relatable and when the shiet hit the ceiling you actually felt for them.

The last act of the movie is what truly elevates it into the instant classic territory, putting it up there with the likes of ESB and ANH.

Definitely worth another viewing this weekend. Still feeling the chills from the movie.
 
The movie was a war movie the last half and I loved it for that reason alone.

The terror of the Rebel troopers destroyed by Vader was amazing.
 
Anyone seen it twice (or more?) yet?

Wondering how this holds up to repeated viewings already. I see it again on Sunday AM after seeing it last night.
 
Sylas said:
Random thought, but I did enjoy how the Rebellion was portrayed as just that--largely ineffective and a little incompetent. They didn't feel like the other side of a war, they seemed like people that were always inches away from being wiped out.
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It makes the battle for Yavin have even more weight.

Rogue One makes ANH a much better movie. Its crazy.
 
nicoga3000 said:
As much hate as TFA and Kylo get, I really really really hope that Kylo becomes [even close to] as menacing as Vader in 8 and 9. Vader is just so fucking imposing and I love it.

Question about the Death Star. It was used twice in this movie - once to destroy the temple on Jedha and once on Scarif. Did they destroy Scarif or just blow up the com tower?
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Just the comm tower. IIRC they mention using Alderaan to test the full power mode in ANH.
 
Sylas said:
I don't remember anyone's name other than Jyn and Cassian. Oh, and Galen Urso because they said his name 8358103 times before swiftly killing him off.

Tarkin hit me straight in the uncanny valley dick, too. Vader being something out of a monster movie was incredible though.
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I don't know what either of the asian guys names are.

On top of what you mentioned, I know the pilot's name is Bodi cause Cassian said it a bunch.

And that's it.
 
Sylas said:
Random thought, but I did enjoy how the Rebellion was portrayed as just that--largely ineffective and a little incompetent. They didn't feel like the other side of a war, they seemed like people that were always inches away from being wiped out.
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My wife said "I didn't like it that everyone who broke away ended up being the only ones who died" and I corrected her with "umm.. every single Rebel who went to Edu died... either at Edu, or (as we know) in the beginning of EpIV".

Yes, this movie did an excellent job, from the Rebels constantly getting beat down.. to the space battle which really summed it up nice.. a cruiser, a transport, and around two dozen xwings, and then the Empire shows up with two ISDs, hundreds of TIEs, and a Death Star.

As others have said, I also love how the relative silliness of the "single weak point" of the Death Star was not only explained, but given severe importance. Everything from needing the plans to make it work, the Empire committing scorched earth on their own archives to try and stop the plans from being obtained, to (as we now know) Vader personally pursuing the sole survivors which attempted to get those plans and killing everyone in the process.

This was honestly the prequel the OT deserved. Brilliant.
BFIB said:
It makes the battle for Yavin have even more weight.

Rogue One makes ANH a much better movie. Its crazy.
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This right here. Seriously, RO MAKES EpIV a better movie. The glaring plot holes we all let go because Star Wars is awesome, and it sealed them up I think about as tight as you're ever going to get them.
 
The beginning half hour or so was a little iffy and hard to follow as they rapidly cut from planet to planet. Everything after the blind guy started doing martial arts was pretty great though (except maybe when he shot down that TIE fighter).

On the other hand, maybe Galen could've saved everyone a lot of grief if he had just said in his holo-message that there's a hole at the end of a trench they should shoot into? No plans needed.
 
Peter Ian Staker said:
I think it was used both times in low power mode where it fires into the planet and just destroys a huge area around the ground zero like an atom bomb instead of the whole planet getting destroyed in the blink of an eye, like Alderaan.

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TheBlackMarvel said:
Just the comm tower. IIRC they mention using Alderaan to test the full power mode in ANH.
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OK, that's what I thought. I suppose that the impact location and power behind it explains why they couldn't get away and survive? There weren't any ships nearby either, I guess.
 
Morts said:
The beginning half hour or so was a little iffy and hard to follow as they rapidly cut from planet to planet. Everything after the blind guy started doing martial arts was pretty great though (except maybe when he shot down that TIE fighter).

On the other hand, maybe Galen could've saved everyone a lot of grief if he had just said in his holo-message that there's a hole at the end of a trench they should shoot into? No plans needed.
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It doesnt look like it from the distant, but there are bazillions of trenches on that thing
 
I think what most impressed me about this movie is how despite everyone already knowing that thry succeed in stealing the plans it still managed to create immense amounts of tension.
 
DrKelpo said:
do we have any knowledge of the stuff that was reshot?
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There's speculation that it was mostly in the finale. There are shots in the trailer that didn't end up in the movie. Jyn facing the Tie-Fighter on the tower. Jyn (holding the plans) and Cassian running on the beach towards the AT-ACT. Krennik on the beach.
 
Gosh when you watch episode IV right after this movie it really gives added weight to how desperate the rebels are and how bad their situation is.

It actually makes the Battle of Yavin even more tense when you know how hard the rebellion had to work to get to this point, how many people were sacrificed, how this was all possible because one brave scientist felt he had to do the right thing, just to give them that tiny chance.

This movie turned the weakness of the Death Star everyone has mocked for 40 years as a sign of incompetence into a symbol of bravery and hope instead, and that's just fantastic.
 
Not Spaceghost said:
I think what most impressed me about this movie is how despite everyone already knowing that thry succeed in stealing the plans it still managed to create immense amounts of tension.
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This right here.

The last 15 mins or so I was tense as fuck, even though I knew the outcome. That's just good movie making right there.
 
hamchan said:
Gosh when you watch episode IV right after this movie it really gives added weight to how desperate the rebels are and how bad their situation is.

It actually makes the Battle of Yavin even more tense when you know how hard the rebellion had to work to get to this point, how many people were sacrificed, how this was all possible because one brave scientist felt he had to do the right thing, just to give them that tiny chance.
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That's how I felt.

They worked so hard and then the plans end up in a droid in the middle of the tatooine desert!

It makes the plans feel so much more precious and vulnerable than they did before.
 
Lach said:
There's speculation that it was mostly in the finale. There are shots in the trailer that didn't end up in the movie. Jyn facing the Tie-Fighter on the tower. Jyn (holding the plans) and Cassian running on the beach towards the AT-ACT. Krennik on the beach.
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I've heard there was an attempted escape shot with the Krennic confrontation happening on foot. The original TIE scene was replaced with the new TIE Striker attack and reworked to fit the new Krennic scene.

The same outcome either way, just a bit less poetic. I can see why Disney might think a few more action shots and a more sudden end to Jyn and Cassian was a bit much.
 
I just remembered something else not in the film: the line in the trailer where Jyn is saying "you guys are rebels right? Let's rebel"
 
Man, why do the rebels keep sending these medical frigates into battle.

Also, blue Ackbar definitely died, right? I liked that guy.
 
WrenchNinja said:
I meant the group itself, not the movie. But thank you, these are all good points as to what's pretty great about the film.
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Blackthorn said:
We saw the scale of the Empire as a galactic entity with infrastructure and occupying forces as opposed to a military force that shows up to beat on the Rebels.

We know the Death Star was powered by kyber crystals looted from Jedi holy places, which is pretty fucking cool.

We saw a force user who wasn't a Jedi, and saw the force intervening in events where Jedis weren't involved, and we saw the Jedi home world/holy place.

We saw how the rebellion, literally days before A New Hope, was about to break apart and succumb to the Empire. In addition to getting the Death Star plans, them uniting in this movie was essential to their future victories.

We now know the exhaust port was a deliberate design flaw by a brave scientist rather than an inept one.

We understand the stakes going into a New Hope and the sacrifice the rebellion had recently paid to even get a slight - ahem - hope of defeating the Empire.

Sure, it's all additive rather than essential, but I think it adds so much richness to the universe and enhances rather than detracts from the original trilogy. We've especially never seen the Empire operating at its peak like this before, and the costs their grip on the galaxy had for the people living in it.
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I was gonna post my thoughts, but this post handled it beautifully. RO easily slides into my #3 spot behind Empire and ANH, and it's because this movie enhances those other 2 SO MUCH.

I really felt like I got a better glimpse of the world these characters live in. Absolutely loved the film and the "slow" first half was so good to me.

Also, I don't see how anyone can be dissapointed in Yen's character. A fantastic fight scene, he shoots down a TIE and has some great dialogue. I really want to know more about him.
 
The Hope theme is just... too bright. Doesn't fit the tone of the movie at all. Not sure where he was going with that one. Playing it full force when the 2 destroyers collided was so bizarre and offputting.
 
Listened to the Full of Sith wrapup show last night after the 7pm showing. Definitely worth a listen.

Very sorry to hear Amy was moving on. That's probably my favorite SW pod.
 
borghe said:
My wife said "I didn't like it that everyone who broke away ended up being the only ones who died" and I corrected her with "umm.. every single Rebel who went to Edu died... either at Edu, or (as we know) in the beginning of EpIV".
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Some of them manage to get away before Darth Vader's ship arrive, yar? Red Squadron seems to get through it mostly intact.
 
This is a brilliant film on so many levels. I'm sometimes far too harsh on big budget cinema but this film doesn't get too many complaints from me. The beginnings quick pace threw me off for a moment but I kept up and understood what was happening. The cinematography is gorgeous and the story is rather straight forward but I feel it makes for a strong movie. A part of me wishes it ended with the two main characters on the beach but that's just the my own personal opinion. I fully understand why the last few minutes were needed to help set itself up to A New Hope. It does help make it a stronger movie.

All in all, I put it behind An Empire Strikes back as my second favorite star wars film so far.

Pros: cinematography, entertaining main characters (I love Donnie Yen), good storytelling, intense action scenes that rival a good war film

Negatives: The quick pacing of the beginning
 
Razgriz-Specter said:
Man the entire back end of this movie was literally too good personally.
So many people said they want to jump straight into an ANH rewatch,
but straight after that I really don't want to hang out with Luke on Tatooine for like half the movie.
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That's fucking hilarious. I did that exact thing and popped in ANH as soon as I got home from my RO screening and couldn't believe how long we spend with those jawa's and Luke just fucking around in the desert. It makes the first half of RO, which everyone is complaining is too slow, feel like a coke-fueled Michael Bay extravaganza!

Seriously though, RO may have just hopped over ANH to become my favorite SW movie after ESB. It just feels so much more cinematic than ANH, just like ESB does.
 
borghe said:
My wife said "I didn't like it that everyone who broke away ended up being the only ones who died" and I corrected her with "umm.. every single Rebel who went to Edu died... either at Edu, or (as we know) in the beginning of
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Didnt a few large ships jump to hyperspace right before Vader's destroyer came in? I think it would be hard to say how many exactly survived.
 
Mr. Hyde said:
This is a brilliant film on so many levels. I'm sometimes far too harsh on big budget cinema but this film doesn't get too many complaints from me. The beginnings quick pace threw me off for a moment but I kept up and understood what was happening. The cinematography is gorgeous and the story is rather straight forward but I feel it makes for a strong movie. A part of me wishes it ended with the two main characters on the beach but that's just the my own personal opinion. I fully understand why the last few minutes were needed to help set itself up to A New Hope. It does help make it a stronger movie.

All in all, I put it behind An Empire Strikes back as my second favorite star wars film so far.

Pros: cinematography, entertaining main characters (I love Donnie Yen), good storytelling, intense action scenes that rival a good war film

Negatives: The quick pacing of the beginning
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Do they put Donnie Yens martial arts to good use?
 
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