Rogue One: A Star Wars Story |OT| They rebel - SPOILERS
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I agree with everything. Thought the characters were given the right amount of backstory and the rest you can fill in yourself. Thought Felicity Jones nailed the scene where she watches the hologram of her father. Krennic was great, best line in the film, purely from the way he delivered it, was his "oh, it's beautiful". In a sort of Bob Ross kind of way when a stroke turned out better than expected.
All in all I think this film is just the perfect companion to ANH. It adds so much more weight to the things happening in that film. They really nailed that aspect.
What are the actual usage of star destroyers for the empire besides looking cool and used as battering rams that destroys all their bases?
I kinda wish they had a more 'ocean 11' style heist plan at the end, which was what I was hoping from the original trailers... something about the plan felt too nonsensical and highly reliant on 'hero armor' or something lol.
w/e happen to cassian's boss that told him to assassinate pops? Was he an xwing pilot in the finale?
I kinda wish they had a more 'ocean 11' style heist plan at the end, which was what I was hoping from the original trailers... something about the plan felt too nonsensical and highly reliant on 'hero armor' or something lol.
w/e happen to cassian's boss that told him to assassinate pops? Was he an xwing pilot in the finale?
I thought the soundtrack was quite generic. There are no themes that stick out compared to if Williams would have scored the track. For me it was the one and only knock on the film. But I can't blame Giacchino since i heard he had to do it in short order.
Good stuff!
Reading that this has a final setpiece that is all badass has me all drooling!1
I thought it was amazing, it's like a super arrange of Star Wars music. It fit the tone of the film really well. If Star Wars numbered episodes are SNES RPGs, this is the awesome Genesis action spin off.
ryutaro's mama
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"Apology accepted" points to how cold and calculating he is. How he won't tolerate failure.
"I hope you don't CHOKE...on your aspirations" is the equivalent of Arnold saying, "Stick around" after throwing a survival knife through an enemy as if he were a dart board.
Or saying "You're fired" before launching a bad guy hanging from a rocket on his plane.
There is a difference.
talkingood
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This movie was fantastic. Just saw it last night. I completely agree with those who've said it makes A New Hope a better film. I'm looking forward to re-watching ANH tonight.
The Dad Vader joke didn't bother me at all. He's an asshole, it seemed entirely in character. I did laugh at first because it seemed pretty on the nose, though.
I thought the first couple of scenes with Tarkin were far more jarring. He looks terrible in a lot of these shots, like bad video game CGI. Leia I thought looked pretty great.
The Dad Vader joke didn't bother me at all. He's an asshole, it seemed entirely in character. I did laugh at first because it seemed pretty on the nose, though.
I thought the first couple of scenes with Tarkin were far more jarring. He looks terrible in a lot of these shots, like bad video game CGI. Leia I thought looked pretty great.
obvious CGI throwbacks to EpIV
Tarkin
Leia
Red Leader
Gold Leader
Possibly/probably some of the Tantive IV crew
Battleships and lesser carriers. You never really see it much except for ROTJ, but yeah.. watch ROTJ. The number of batteries on an ISD is insane.. On top of being able to launch a few squadrons of TIEs.
Does anyone else feel Donnie Yen's charcater and cringeworthy "I believe in the Force" lines felt very out of place in a Star Wars movie? Also the Force was never used as just a religion by practicioners in SW movies, and would have gotten you killed by the Empire long ago already.
WadiumArcadium
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Having Krennic get killed by the Death Star after he'd been part of its development for so long was the perfect death for him. Especially with Tarkin getting the last laugh after Krennic outmanoeuvred him a few times in Catalyst. I was sure Vader would strangle him to death when he failed to stop them before watching the film, but I preferred what we got.
Only jedi were killed, not people who believe in the force as a religion, the empire never said anything against it
NekoFever
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still kinda surprised they didn't go with the tarkin from episode III:
keep in mind that was 11 years ago. maybe he looks less like Tarkin now than 11 years ago? lol
He looks like Tarkin (albeit under prosthetics), but can he act and sound like him?
ZackieChan
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They were guardians of the ancient Jedi Temple, right? I'd imagine they would get people who believe in the Force. It isn't just Yen's religion.
I think Whitaker had enough development for his role and his screentime in the film. What more would you have wanted to see, given his untimely exit from the film?
Edit: That Tarkin above looks terrible. Why would you want that in the film?
Initial thoughts on Rogue One...
- loved the spliced Red leader/Gold Leader footage
- damn you Disney for making a character I like and then killing him... (K-2SO)
- wow I hope no one bought Forest Whitaker's action figure
- so Darth Vader totally built a Fortress of Doom right over the hill where he was burnt to a crisp huh?
- Bail Organa is totally going to be just fine on Alderann right?
- why did they have to keep inventing new TIE fighters and AT-AT walkers? Doesn't this movie take place like 2 weeks before A New Hope? What's wrong with the OG trilogy designs?
- so Jin Erso gave birth to Rey like really fast and put her on a shuttle off the planet before being evaporated right?
- Even in the Star Wars universe it's hard to get a Goddamn cell phone signal in war zones
- of COURSE a James Bond villain built the fucking Death Star...
- loved the spliced Red leader/Gold Leader footage
- damn you Disney for making a character I like and then killing him... (K-2SO)
- wow I hope no one bought Forest Whitaker's action figure
- so Darth Vader totally built a Fortress of Doom right over the hill where he was burnt to a crisp huh?
- Bail Organa is totally going to be just fine on Alderann right?
- why did they have to keep inventing new TIE fighters and AT-AT walkers? Doesn't this movie take place like 2 weeks before A New Hope? What's wrong with the OG trilogy designs?
- so Jin Erso gave birth to Rey like really fast and put her on a shuttle off the planet before being evaporated right?
- Even in the Star Wars universe it's hard to get a Goddamn cell phone signal in war zones
- of COURSE a James Bond villain built the fucking Death Star...
Couldn't disagree more. Easily his worst score, completely tonal misfire at parts, odd main theme with horrible cues, repetitive where it needs to be dense, loose orchestration that sounds like someone's best shot at John Williams.
His Star Tours music is incredible. Coming off of that, this score is really bad. It's alright standalone but it wasn't effective with the film, pulled all the wrong emotions at all the wrong spots.
I think that it's important to note that Donnie Yen's character is very obviously force sensitive but he is not a Jedi. They said that he belonged to an order of Temple Guardians that were obviously disbanded after the Great Purge. I don't think it's unreasonable that those guardians would be a monastic order or that they would use mantras to focus themselves. Mantras have an important place in real martial arts, so I thought it was neat to see them applied to a mystical discipline in Star Wars.
You can argue that casting him in the role of "blind, mystic, swordsman" is too tropey, but I don't have an issue with how the trope was executed in this case. Also, the Star Wars Galaxy is huge, with trillions of inhabitants. It shouldn't be surprising that there are different ideas of what the force is and how to commune with it, or that it should have mythical or religious significance for people. Hell, the Rebel Alliance slogan, "May the Force be with you," is practically a religious benediction before battle.
Wait... what? Tarkin was in that film? I remembered Mon Mothma and of course Bail, but have no memory at all of Tarkin.still kinda surprised they didn't go with the tarkin from episode III:
keep in mind that was 11 years ago. maybe he looks less like Tarkin now than 11 years ago? lol
right. so they had to choose between getting that performance out of him or going with a fake looking CG model, and I guess they chose the latter.
it wasn't awful, but the CG stuck out like a sore thumb to me.
right at the end for one short scene, he's standing with vader and palpatine watching the construction of the death star.
Lifejumper
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Making ensemble movies is hard yall. Gareth did a respectable job. Flawed but enjoyable just like the rest of the SW movies (except ESB that one is perfect) and im a huge SW fan. I expect greatness from Rian Johnson tho.
I think they could have spent more time developing the situation on Jedah in general. Showing more of who he was, the context of the extremists and the Jedi temple. As it is, it feels like an abridged early story beat which exists just to get the initial group together and remove him from the story.
I took at as Vader playing on his weakness of Krennik's character and not so much a one liner. Like a jab to the stomach because he sensed a weakness and attacked it. Krennik is always in the shadow of someone else, like Tarkin or Vader himself, and a step behind their leadership. Like he's not gunna last much longer and Vader knew it.
That's the way I saw it.
It's a lot less shallow than you're making it it to be.
Classic Vader.
I thought they dropped in a cool reference to Lucas' original "Journal of the Whills" title with the Guardians of the Whills being the Jedha temple protectors.
He's on the bridge with Vader and Palpatine at the end of ROTS, but you only ever see the back or side of his head, from a medium or long shot.
He's on the bridge with Vader and Palpatine at the end of ROTS, but you only ever see the back or side of his head, from a medium or long shot.
Anton Sugar
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Slaughter drafthouse was packed. I know I had tried to get tickets at the Village and S Lamar locations the night the tickets went on sale but they sold out too fast.
Lifejumper
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I really liked the rivalry between tarkin, krennic and vader btw. There should have been more of that. Cgi tarkin was polorizing tho.
WadiumArcadium
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He wouldn't have been able to dodge all that blaster fire and shoot a TIE fighter if he wasn't.
There's nothing for Chirrut or Baze yet as far as I'm aware.
They put in work for the air battles.
I work at the cinema and during the day it was completely dead. We're talking 2 people in our second biggest screen, with like 30 in others.
It picked up after 6pm, 70-90 people in each screen.
OriginofHysteria
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Not a CGI variant, but isn't the dude that gave Leia the plans the guy that got choked slammed by Vader against a wall in Ep. IV?
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So...you liked it?
ryutaro's mama
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Yeah, ok...sure.
It was a shitty one liner, imo. He could have made whatever point without an on the nose dad joke to do it.
But don't expect objectivity from you, so hey.
You have to wonder why they couldn't do shit about them until Luke used the rope trick if they can just blow them up.
Cross-Section
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Literally everyone in Star Wars is some degree of "force sensitive". Jyn's mom, for example, shows a ton of it in Catalyst (there's your transmedia) in regards to sensing the currents of the Force in various life-filled places across the galaxy. It's not like she can levitate objects or electrocute someone, but the Force is nevertheless a very tangible thing to her, and I think that comes across pretty well in the movie's cold open.
I imagine it works the same way for Chirrut as well.
Tarkin looked like CGI to me, but I'm wondering if thats because I know the actor is dead and isn't around any more.
My wife, bless her heart, hasn't seen A New Hope since like 1990, and didn't realize Tarkin was CGI at all, yet thought Leia looked like CGI because, "there's no way Carrie Fisher lost all that weight since last year...".
Count Dookkake
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So what does the new EU have to say about the workload split between the Geonosians and Erso?
Dhruv_hanom
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Maybe the empire learnt from this and upgraded the AT-ATs with better armor.
BronsonLee
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Darth Vader is a nerd and thinks he's funny
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i like to think these AT-AT's were prototypes that were more vulnerable to regular fire. they kinda looked different. the ones in ESB are fucking tanks.
ZackieChan
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Considering it wasn't all that important in the long run, I don't think any of that was necessary. But we'll agree to disagree.
That was an odd new AT-AT with the middle opened up. Troop transport? Cargo carrier?
Maybe they upgraded the armor after this. Lol. Who cares!
I do think the CGI wasn't quite there yet for Tarkin but it was cool to see from a technological perspective.
That's a nice assumption. You're getting worked up dude, just because I've got Vader in my avatar didn't mean I can't be objective. It's ok to agree to disagree sometimes.
they used X-Wings with proton torpedoes this time around, while on Hoth they just used Snowspeeders, as the X-Wings were needed to provide an escort for the escaping transports. - i feel like them using Snowspeeders was just trying to keep the Imperial forces busy and give them more time to evacuate. In no way did they expect to be able to actually fend off the attack.
Also, someone mentioned them using the Death Star earlier in this thread - i actually liked the way they did that. Each time, they only blew up a single installation - which makes it easy to cover up each incident as "nuclear/kyber accident" or something like that.
And even if people knew it was the empire's doing ... blowing up a city isn't all that impressive of a feat, you can do that with TIE bombers or a Star Destroyer inflicted orbital bombardment.
It's a good compromise, as it allowed for us seeing the Death Star used in this movie, while still not undermining Alderaan's destruction as being the first time the used the superweapon to its full potential. - blowing up an entire planet.
I see your point, in that in this film he used a pun, but I would argue in both instances Vader was still absolutely terrifying and imposing. He's in complete control and won't tolerate anyone trying to impose themselves on him.
Inferno313
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Vader's dad joke is exactly the type of shit a grown-up Anakin would say. There's your continuity, nerds.
peteykirch
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I was under the assumption that the AT-ACT was a light weight version of the AT-AT so it didn't have the same shields and defenses as the normal AT-ATs have.
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