Rogue One: A Star Wars Story |OT| They rebel - SPOILERS

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I really love how the finale ties Rogue One and A New Hope together.

Vader watches the Tantive IV escape with the plans, only to catch them a short time later. Leia tells him she's a senator on a diplomatic mission. He knows she's full of shit, but she's a senator with diplomatic immunity so he can't do anything with her. He's pissed ("You are part of the Rebel Alliance and a traitor!"). He has her arrested but that's all he can do.

Oh, but wait. Remember a throwaway line from Tarkin early on in A New Hope?

"The Imperial Senate will no longer be of any concern to us. I have just received word that the Emperor has dissolved the council permanently. The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away forever."

Sorry, Princess. You're not a senator any more. No more immunity. Enjoy your enhanced interrogation.

The events of Rogue One gave the Emperor the excuse to dissolve the Senate: the Death Star gives him the weapon that will keep planets in line through terror, and Vader gave him evidence that members of the Senate have been engaging in treason against the Empire.

That is a better way to look at it. I still think this make's the beginning of ANH unintentionally hilarious.

"We are on a diplomatic mis-"

"Bitch, I just saw you!"
 
One thing I noticed is that Jyn always seemed to have her eye shadow applied, whether she was in prison, hours into a long mission in the rain, etc. For some reason that stuck out to me more than the laser guns and giant turtle tanks. I guess I'm just more used to seeing women without make up now that it's actually jarring to see it on them in situations where you know they wouldn't have it.

Space makeup lasts forever

That is a better way to look at it. I still think this make's the beginning of ANH unintentionally hilarious.

"We are on a diplomatic mis-"

"Bitch, I just saw you!"

Fucking lol, yesss
 
Also sucks they didnt use Biggs + Porkins

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I got the impression that Saw had gone loopy from all the years of the war. He's losing his mind and humanity, which they demonstrated by making him a pseudo Vader with his cyborg body and breathing apparatus.

The thing is, I never actually felt like he did anything wrong morally. They talk about how he's an extremist but all his forces did was ambush a bunch of fascists. If they wanted to make it more morally ambiguous, they should have bombed people in the market for being collaborators or something. Cassian came off like more of a shady guy than Saw.

Didn't they ambush the imperials in a crowded civilian square? Jyn had to rescue that crying child caught in the crossfire. The Rebel Spy branch might be shady, but the worst they do is preemptively strike targets who have yet to prove they are threats. (The informant on the trade station and Galen Erso.)
 
Speaking as someone who isn't a big Star Wars fan, and probably can't appreciate all the story tie-ups etc...

...it was OK/good. Enjoyable enough. I felt the final scenes stretched out a lot. There was cool Star Wars hardware and battle porn, some good humour in parts. I found the characters not to be that likable overall though. The speech to the rebel council from Jin (sic?) was excruciating for example. Deep uncanny valley territory with the Peter Cushing CG. I understand why they had to do it though.

So yeah. A lot better than the prequels (of course). Not as memorable as The Force Awakens though. This is the first in a parallel series? The others are going to be other standalone history-fillers also?
 
"Apology accepted" points to how cold and calculating he is. How he won't tolerate failure.

"I hope you don't CHOKE...on your aspirations" is the equivalent of Arnold saying, "Stick around" after throwing a survival knife through an enemy as if he were a dart board.

Or saying "You're fired" before launching a bad guy hanging from a rocket on his plane.

There is a difference.

Yeah, that line kinda deflated that scene for me.

Vader wrecking shop at the end was terrifying, though.
 
This is the first in a parallel series? The others are going to be other standalone history-fillers also?

We are getting "A Star Wars Story" films every other year between saga films. 7 in 15, Rogue One in 16, 8 in 17, Han Solo in 18, 9 in 19...etc

2018 Han Solo film with Alden Ehrenreich as Han and Donald Glover as Lando.
 
That is a better way to look at it. I still think this make's the beginning of ANH unintentionally hilarious.

"We are on a diplomatic mis-"

"Bitch, I just saw you!"

I think it's funny in a good way. She's fucking with him. He's angry because they both know she's full of shit.
 
You have to wonder why they couldn't do shit about them until Luke used the rope trick if they can just blow them up.

X-Wings are military vehicles while Snowspeeders are converted civilian craft used for industrial cargo hauling (which is why they have a cable gun or whatever) with the armaments attached by Rebel engineers. Maybe their blasters are just weaker, that's my own internal explanation.
 
We are getting "A Star Wars Story" films every other year between saga films. 7 in 15, Rogue One in 16, 8 in 17, Han Solo in 18, 9 in 19...etc

2018 Han Solo film with Alden Ehrenreich as Han and Donald Glover as Lando.

Well we don't really know what's happening after IX. I wouldn't be surprised if they retired the saga films for another decade or so, and spent the interim on A Star Wars Story spin-offs.
 
Well we don't really know what's happening after IX. I wouldn't be surprised if they retired the saga films for another decade or so, and spent the interim on A Star Wars Story spin-offs.

I hope that's what happens. One of these days we're going to finally get that KOTOR film.

pls
 
Well we don't really know what's happening after IX. I wouldn't be surprised if they retired the saga films for another decade or so, and spent the interim on A Star Wars Story spin-offs.

I think that's likely, and I expect that some of the "A Star Wars Stories" could grow into their own series. Rogue One is obviously not an example, but if that young Han Solo flick is great and does well, I could see them doing a sequel or two to that.
 
So I really enjoyed Rouge One. It was better than I was expecting, and I am incredibly surprised they killed off the entire cast, was pretty sure one or two would survive for extended universe stuff, but I respect this decision immensely.

My only problems was the pacing, which seemed to be jumping all over the place way too quickly, the uncanny valley whenever Tarkin and Leia got on screen and the music felt very lackluster.

But asides from those, way better than what I expected.
 
The crowd reaction to the Leia reveal, and its segway into the last shot of the film as the ship jumps to hyperspace, will go down in my memory as one of my favorite theater reactions ever.

When Leia turns the camera and you see the face of a young CGI Carrie Fisher, everyone was going "WHAAAAAAT", and just started cheering and clapping from that point to when the credits rolled.

Yeah, that was great. Similar reaction in my theatre. Just enough screentime to freak out but not pick apart the CG, like Tarkin.

I found some of the fan service a little obnoxious, though I don't know if it was any better or worse than TFA. We really didn't need to see C3P0 and R2D2, did we?

I loved seeing Red and Gold leaders, though. That's the kind of stuff that ties the universe together without pulling you out of the narrative for the sake of a *wink wink* moment.
 
I think that's likely, and I expect that some of the "A Star Wars Stories" could grow into their own series. Rogue One is obviously not an example, but if that young Han Solo flick is great and does well, I could see them doing a sequel or two to that.

Yeah, I can imagine a Han Solo sequel or two. Or just a separate sub-series of spin-offs that connect to each other.
 
Well we don't really know what's happening after IX. I wouldn't be surprised if they retired the saga films for another decade or so, and spent the interim on A Star Wars Story spin-offs.

I'd like that more than turning the numbered saga into a soap opera with no endgame in sight.
 
My biggest problem with the fan service is that the time could have been better spent developing the characters the movie was actually about

The whole Saw sequence was pointless (the movie would have worked just as fine if the pilot went straight to the alliance and they just needed jyn to verify the authenticity of his message) and Forrest, wtf was he emoting?
The lava planet sequence was equally pointless and cutting it would have taken away nothing from his badass later scene

Thats a good 30 minutes of the movie that should have been used to let us get to know the protagonists better so that when people started dying I actually would have had a reason to care.
 
Yeah, that was great. Similar reaction in my theatre. Just enough screentime to freak out but not pick apart the CG, like Tarkin.

I found some of the fan service a little obnoxious, though I don't know if it was any better or worse than TFA. We really didn't need to see C3P0 and R2D2, did we?

I loved seeing Red and Gold leaders, though. That's the kind of stuff that ties the universe together without pulling you out of the narrative for the sake of a *wink wink* moment.

My favorite fan service moment was the two thugs from A New Hope's Cantina showing up.
 
Also that Vader fight in the airlock was so fucking awesome. Force lift a man to the ceiling and walking under him pulling his 4 friends guns away while casualy putting your saber to the air cutting him in half.

Like, that is easy in the top Vader moments in all media.
 
That last Vader scene of him choking dudes in a hallway to get to the Death Star plans... My God!

That should have been the entirety of Episode III.. extended out to 3 hours.
3 hours of Vader straight up murdering people and making Dad Jokes.


(No one really answered this question last time I asked... Did Vader really build a Fortress of DOOM over the hill where he was burnt to a crisp? Really?)
 
This movie is visually much more interesting than TFA. The team clearly understands the scale of the Star Wars universe.
 
That is a better way to look at it. I still think this make's the beginning of ANH unintentionally hilarious.

"We are on a diplomatic mis-"

"Bitch, I just saw you!"

Look at it this way too, Vader knowing Leia is playing dumb, this is why he doesn't fuck around on torturing her. Because he knows the importance on these plans being found.
 
That last Vader scene of him choking dudes in a hallway to get to the Death Star plans... My God!

That should have been the entirety of Episode III.. extended out to 3 hours.
3 hours of Vader straight up murdering people and making Dad Jokes.


(No one really answered this question last time I asked... Did Vader really build a Fortress of DOOM over the hill where he was burnt to a crisp? Really?)

I wasn't sure about this either. Was that actually Mustafar? Or just some other lava planet? If it's really Mustafar, why would he want to hang out there of all places?
 
I so want to see this movie, yeah I'm odd I like to read about a movie as much as I can before seeing it.

Prequels burnt me man, I will go in with as much knowledge as I can before deciding if I am watching a film.
 
This movie is visually much more interesting than TFA. The team clearly understands the scale of the Star Wars universe.

100%

That was my biggest gripe with TFA, that every planet in it was literally just a retread of planets we saw in the Original Trilogy.

Oh look its the

-Sand planet (Tatooine = Jakku)
-The Forrest planet (Yavin/Endor = Takodana)
-The Snow planet (Hoth = Starkiller Base)

It was incredibly boring from a visual viewpoint because the locations were things we've already seen before.
 
I wasn't sure about this either. Was that actually Mustafar? Or just some other lava planet? If it's really Mustafar, why would he want to hang out there of all places?

Theory: It's a place where he experienced a great deal of trauma and negative emotion, meditating on that hate and anger focuses him and strengthens his ties to the Dark Side of the Force.
 
I wasn't sure about this either. Was that actually Mustafar? Or just some other lava planet? If it's really Mustafar, why would he want to hang out there of all places?

Dark and tortured people do dark and tortured things would be my guess. It very much looked like Mustafar.

Did anyone get a prequel set piece vibe when he was talking to Krennic on that platform? It looked like something that would be in Revenge of the Sith, in a not so great way. I didn't hate it but it reminded me of the kind of green screen in those movies when I look back on it. Not complaining, just wondering if I'm remembering it right
 
I also found it interesting that this marked the point that the Rebellion was moving into an open Rebellion.

Also emphasized to me that Empire / Rebellion is > First Order / Resistance (which still doesn't make sense as Resistance is trying to protect the new government).
 
My biggest problem with the fan service is that the time could have been better spent developing the characters the movie was actually about

The whole Saw sequence was pointless (the movie would have worked just as fine if the pilot went straight to the alliance and they just needed jyn to verify the authenticity of his message) and Forrest, wtf was he emoting?
The lava planet sequence was equally pointless and cutting it would have taken away nothing from his badass later scene

Thats a good 30 minutes of the movie that should have been used to let us get to know the protagonists better so that when people started dying I actually would have had a reason to care.

Yeah, I don't think Saw really served any purpose other than to connect/show off Jedha.

A microcosm of the waste of those scenes is Bodhi's mind reading torture scene. So, the alien can read minds (which means Bodhi should have been cleared as a good guy) but can also make you lose your mind? But, despite the alien reading his mind and presumably knowing he told the truth, Bodhi is still locked up and has kinda lost his mind...until a stranger says his name and occupation?

For all the negative impression I read about the characters, I found myself enjoying them. Certainly more than any character in Godzilla, which was my metric to compare them to. They didn't reach the development of TFA or anything, but they each felt distinct enough to be likeable while giving the majority of the work to Jin and Cassian. I think Felicity Jones did a great job with what she had. Her character doesn't have much of an arc (or, if she did, it would be a rushed "from criminal to hero" arc) but she wasn't stiff/cold as many thought she would be and hit the scenes with Mads/Galen out of the park. The hologram and his death were enough to round out her character and show emotion underneath a hardened life.

My favorite fan service moment was the two thugs from A New Hope's Cantina showing up.

Yeah, that is basically the threshold of acceptability for me, but at least it wasn't them bumping into a CG Han and Chewie.

Also that Vader fight in the airlock was so fucking awesome. Force lift a man to the ceiling and walking under him pulling his 4 friends guns away while casualy putting your saber to the air cutting him in half.

Like, that is easy in the top Vader moments in all media.

Ffffuuuuck, I just want to rewatch that scene. The entire last 30 minutes were god damned amazing.
 
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