It wasn't a transmission though. It was a recording on essentially a flash drive
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It wasn't a transmission though. It was a recording on essentially a flash drive
Honestly a lot of it was context. Whoever edited the trailers did a horrendous job. In the film those lines worked surprisingly well.
Vincent Alexander
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Agreed. I hated how much they hit you over-the-head with dialogue in A Rogue One, so I really appreciate this scene where they say nothing and let you put the pieces together. Like damn...Vader terrifies the hell out of people.
I had same feeling in a way, but for me it was the rebuilding of the Death Star in Jedi that now comes off worse in my eyes.
He didn't send out the initial message as a transmission though. He had to convince the pilot that it was better to betray the Empire and deliver the message on a chip or whatever to Saw. I'd imagine Galen still had to send out messages to other Empire installations as part of his work.
MrCompletely
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Apparently, you can tap a storm trooper on the soldier and he'll go down. I loved the movie, but thought it was little bit silly how easily it is to kill storm troopers, especially with all of that armor. Why even bother with the armor at that point? So many of them just seem to take very light hits and boom, dead or knocked out.
Lifejumper
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Yeah the editing in the tv spots and trailers was horrendous. I dont remember TFA having these problems.
OriginofHysteria
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I was just thinking this, also considering they had some random Imperial officer overseeing the entire construction of the second Death Star.
MrCompletely
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When you think about it, Return of the Jedi plot is pretty lazy considering they're just building another Death Star and Rogue One calls that whole movie into question now. So, they would just rebuild it with the same flaw?
tearsintherain
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My wife was wondering how they even rebuilt the death star in Jedi if the plans are all destroyed, if the temple from which they harvested crystals are destroyed, and if all the scientists/engineers who worked on (presumably) important components were all murdered.
End of the day a lot of the plot in this movie makes little to no sense, like 90% of the plot could have been skipped with a simple "yo, this hole HERE will destroy the death star if you drop an explosive into it" without any need for plans but you just gotta roll with it I guess to enjoy more time in the star wars universe.
The flaw in the Jedi death star wasn't really a "flaw", afaik they blew up the internal reactors but the only way to get to them was flying through the entire death star which I guess was thought impossible, but Lando and the falcon proved them wrong.
as some have already pointed out, yeah it wasn't a transmission - so that'll bring up the question as to why he didn't give them just give them the plans on 'physical media' right away, to which i'd argue he wouldn't have access to (anymore).
He knew where they were placed, he certainly had a say in their 'codenaming' ("stardust"), but he might have never have been in posession of the entire EmpireCAD file.
this. Death star 2 didn't have the same flaw.
Also, it was bigger.
Also - even during construction - it was protected by an energy shield.
Also - even during construction - the weapons systems were fully functional.
The only 'flaw' was that it was ... still under construction.
Also, it was a trap
ryutaro's mama
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kutthoat5150
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Were there any references to the other films when Jyn was searching and reading through the comm data for the death star plans before she found "Stardust?"
This.
SuperStiltzkin
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At that point you just gotta go by kung-fu movie logic. Or just assume he has a high-frequency staff or something. It was a badass scene that I'm willing to suspend my belief and allow it to exist.
BFIB
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I do agree that the little nods need to end. Its cool to get these watercooler type moments of "hey, look, its this guy from Empire!", etc, and it was cool in Ep VII for obvious reasons, and I get it here, but all these wink at the audience moments, we're here, we're not going anywhere, and we don't need to be reminded.
Its time to let these movies stand on their own ground. I don't need a sidebar of C3PO and R2 making a passing comment in every film.
Its time to let these movies stand on their own ground. I don't need a sidebar of C3PO and R2 making a passing comment in every film.
Beer Monkey
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I would never assume that there are no backups at all of any of any of the designs for any of the tech used to build the 1.0 Death Star. That's just silly. And surely you can still mine crystals once you can finally penetrate the gigatons of rubble covering the mine site. Or that every qualified engineer in the entire reachable galaxy was working at the mine site.
Come on. There are flaws in the movie but these are not them.
Jesus, throw a bone to the kids that come to these movies with their parents. The whole main cast dies, for gosh sakes. Let them have something to be happy about.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I would think the bigger problem was the fact that the Death Star plans were coded with his daughter's name that nobody else knew even though Galen didn't know Jyn was alive, much less an agent of the Rebellion.
DoctorFling
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as some have already pointed out, yeah it wasn't a transmission - so that'll bring up the question as to why he didn't give them just give them the plans on 'physical media' right away, to which i'd argue he wouldn't have access to (anymore).
He knew where they were placed, he certainly had a say in their 'codenaming' ("stardust"), but he might have never have been in posession of the entire EmpireCAD file.
this. Death star 2 didn't have the same flaw.
Also, it was bigger.
Also - even during construction - it was protected by an energy shield.
Also - even during construction - the weapons systems were fully functional.
The only 'flaw' was that it was ... still under construction.
Also, it was a trap
It's amazing how many people think the DS2 had the exact same flaw. Even on Starkiller Base people had to actually infiltrate the facility and blow up the outer wall from the inside for ships to even attack.
Ah, cool. Sorry, I'm not a fan of movies and phones!
These (to me) seem easy
Also this movie did a great job of showing just how underpowered the rebels were compared to the Empire. It's not like "oh btw here's how to blow up their big weapon" would have meant a whole lot as it was being built. I mean had they ever launched an assault against it during its construction, surely they would have been wiped out each and every time (and in fact took a Force sensitive pilot, from one of the strongest Force sensitive bloodlines in the galaxy, to take it out)
He fucked up. Vader basically called him to the principal's office.
At any given point he had to assume his little nuggest he had been sending out could be intercepted. Had he just sent out the plans, presumably they would have been marked/coded with the flaw, and the Empire could have discovered and corrected. Basically he put a loose breadcrumb trail together. If any single part was intercepted, it didn't put the whole thing at risk.
Who knows when the flaw was actually constructed? We know from EpIV and now RO that the Death Star wasn't operational until right around this time.. It was a flaw in the reactor so possibly it wasn't available to exploit until shortly before completion?
Also this movie did a great job of showing just how underpowered the rebels were compared to the Empire. It's not like "oh btw here's how to blow up their big weapon" would have meant a whole lot as it was being built. I mean had they ever launched an assault against it during its construction, surely they would have been wiped out each and every time (and in fact took a Force sensitive pilot, from one of the strongest Force sensitive bloodlines in the galaxy, to take it out)
He fucked up. Vader basically called him to the principal's office.
kopitarrulez_11
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If it hasn't been answered it's there it happens on Scariff when a grenade goes off
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Even my wife, who has a lot of trouble following stuff, was confused what happened with Whitaker's character. Felt pretty obvious that everything about the character was left on the cutting room floor.
Vincent Alexander
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I mean, she is kind of right. The only way around it is just to say "they had more" which seems like lazy writing. The rebuilding of the Death Star was a completely stupid idea. Kasdan, in his infinite wisdom, was not a fan himself and told Lucas as much.
That is true, until I realize in his hologram he flat out states he put a flaw in the reactor. So he ran just as much of a risk with the pilot. The more logical thing simply would have been to put a flaw in the DS, not tell anyone in case message gets intercepted, and simply send a message alerting the rebels to the existence of this terrible weapon that they need to get blueprints for it to try and stop it. But of course they have to mention the flaw because they want us all to know he built this flaw in the system. It seems like a Lucas wetdream to retro something that fans jokingly give him shit for all the time.
This is exactly why it seems silly he waited so long to tell them, precisely because of how weak the rebels were compared to the empire. He gave them no prep time. The flaw didn't need to be completed for them to understand where it was going to be so they could plan for it. Luckily, they had Luke and the Force to save their asses last minute
I'm gonna say the same thing as i did to people who said, after TFA released, "great, yet ANOTHER big superweapon with a big weak spot"
DS 1 - no shield
DS 2 - shield, projected from an off-site location
SKB - IMPENETRABLE SHIELD PROJECTED FROM WITHIN THE SHIELD
DS 1 - weak spot = design flaw / ventilation shaft / sabotage by Erso in a sense
DS 2 - weak spot = IT'S STILL NOT FUCKING DONE, OKAY?!
SKB - weak spot = something that is impenetrable to photon torpedoes (and thereby has to be infiltrated and it's outer walls blown up from within), and that will only blow up the entire base if it's hit in the exact moment that the super weapon is charging up, otherwise it would have just disabled the weapon's system.
in RotJ, the empire underestimated the power of Ewoks, in TFA the first order underestimated the "fuck it let's land straight via hyper space" power of Han Solo and the fact that they were lucky enough to catch Phasma off guard so she can turn off the shields.
Some of those names like 'Pax Aurora' are from the Catalyst novel- the death star was a heavily segmented project (to not allow researchers to really know what they were working on) so each different part of the project had a different codename
Wouldn't be surprised at all if they randomly popped up in all of the Star Wars films. Worst easter egg ever
Yeah, I'm really curious to hear what happened during the reshoot. /film did a look through alll the trailers and so much material didn't make it at all.
http://www.slashfilm.com/rogue-one-missing-trailer-footage/
http://www.slashfilm.com/rogue-one-missing-trailer-footage/
Into the Light
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Im dying.
Huh, color wise it looked like Sullust.
Compared to
But, I guess it does make sense Vader would be on Mustafar. Since that planet is a monument to his failure which makes his Dark Side resolve stronger.
Exposed lava flows inside your base? That looks so fucking stupid.
The only thing that annoyed me about SKB is Phasma willingly turned off the shields like it was nothing.
OriginofHysteria
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She expected reinforcements.
The crystals wouldn't only be from that temple/planet. Probably just a good source of readily harvested crystals.
also, "they had more" ... uhm, kinda, I don't think Jedha was the only planet to mine Kyber from, and yeah, data backups are a thing.
If Jyn steals one hard drive, it doesn't mean there's not a second hard drive holding the same data for redundancy reasons
I wonder if the first order had to build a sun-sucking superweapon specifically because the supply of Kyber had dried up or was monitored more tightly.
It's like trying to find weaponizable uranium.
also, because "who the fuck cares" - so what if they can attack the surface. SKB doesn't have any kind of weak spot that the puny resistance squadrons could realistically abuse. Don't forget, the republic fleet had just been destroyed, too.
Why would she risk being shot for not complying with an (in her eyes) rather meaningless request?
Also one of the threads thorugh this entire movie is how expendable people in the Empire are. They will just find new engineers. They have a galaxy spanning empire from which to comb recruits.
kutthoat5150
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Thanks, figured some of those codenames had to be references to weapons or ships seen in the later films.
Hilarious that the first trailer is almost entirely cut footage
Leia is not CGI, is it? This actress claims to have played her.
Probably a body double and they added a bit of CGI to her face I'm guessing.
BFIB
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Yep, same with Tarkin.
moltonasty
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Crazy how much footage seems to have been cut! But I can't say I mind too much, since the final movie was probably way better as a result. Can't get over how much I enjoyed it.
Part of Vader was Trey Parker.
meanspartan
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The shoulder one may have been a little dumb, but a hard enough hit makes armor not matter.
See also: All those football player concussions despite those big helmets.
LegalEagleMike
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Loved the movie. Felt the beginning was a rough start with the constant switching to different planets but once that fight on Jedha started the movie really took off and didnt let up.
CGI Tarkin was good, Leia seemed pretty off but it happened so quick that it didnt really matter.
Definitely best prequel, have to watch it another time to decide where it ranks amongst the good movies.
CGI Tarkin was good, Leia seemed pretty off but it happened so quick that it didnt really matter.
Definitely best prequel, have to watch it another time to decide where it ranks amongst the good movies.
ReyVGM
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I don't get why they didn't use the Avatar face technology. Hopefully that gets improved in the future releases of Rogue One.
meanspartan
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I could deal with Leia CG, maybe because it was so brief.
Tarkin got way too much screen time and it was distracting, I was so put off by it, major uncanny valley for sure. Likely my biggest complaint on an otherwise good movie. They should have used him less, and artfully so when they had to, tricks like they did at first where he was facing the window.
Tarkin got way too much screen time and it was distracting, I was so put off by it, major uncanny valley for sure. Likely my biggest complaint on an otherwise good movie. They should have used him less, and artfully so when they had to, tricks like they did at first where he was facing the window.
Vincent Alexander
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I didn't like Tarkin in the first scene, but it grew on me that by the end I enjoyed it. Leia's was so damn good I nearly shit myself. I couldn't tell it was CGI....until she talked and smiled. Then it was obvious as hell.
meanspartan
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We did, and they were not great lol
I think the better Tarkin use would have been to keep him brief and only show his reflection in the window of Death Star.
When they first showed him and I could see the slightly distorted reflection I was like "this is cool! This works! I believe that is Peter Cushing..."
And then they went whole hog, displaying him in his entirety and the illusion was broken...
Fail.
When they first showed him and I could see the slightly distorted reflection I was like "this is cool! This works! I believe that is Peter Cushing..."
And then they went whole hog, displaying him in his entirety and the illusion was broken...
Fail.
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