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Rogue One: A Star Wars Story |OT| They rebel - SPOILERS
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Anton Sugar
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You stepped into the wrong thread, mate.
EDIT: Ah yeah, seems I missed a few posts, thanks, Einchy.
My theater was rather small, so we didn't get big cheers like TFA got when I saw it, but K2 always got a big laugh out of everyone in there. I think only one joke didn't land, everything else killed.
I think there's some miscommunication going.
He thinks that's what the other person posted in the non-spoiler thread and not what COULD be spoiled.
I think there's some miscommunication going.
He thinks that's what the other person posted in the non-spoiler thread and not what COULD be spoiled.
I don't know, it made their presence seem kind of weak. Like up until the Master Switch part it felt like Chirrut and Baze really didn't have any thing to do or any real goal besides shoot at Stormtroopers. Jyn and Cassian have the data to get, K-2 has to protect them while they do so and Bodhi has to protect the shuttle then eventually set up the transmission to the Fleet.
Chirrut has nothing for a while until he has a switch to flip and Baze has even less than that. Ultimately they feel like they had no purpose at the end.
Overall I think in terms of characterization and motivation I think this movie was lackluster. Say what you want about Rey but at least you could understand her as a character. Same with Finn and even Poe despite him being in so few scenes.
CreepingFear
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I really want a video game now where you play as Vader and wreck fools. It could be real fun. Battlefront doesn't count. Use the new Doom engine.
There is it's called
The Force Unleashed.
Lifejumper
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Yup.
WadiumArcadium
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Hopefully. They had a fair amount of Imperials in the film already, they didn't really need another.
No, I love Star Wars a shit ton and enjoyed most of Clone Wars but Rebels is pretty terrible. Every season has about 4 really great episodes, though.
ILM's working on a Vader VR game. That might be what we're looking for.
phazedplasma
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SuperStiltzkin
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I don't think they all need a role like in a heist movie. That being said, shooting at stormtroopers is a very important role. They're the firepower, the front lines, the damage dealers. Theyre not there because they are crucial to flip a swtich, they are there because they want to fight just like the other Rebels joining them. Every soldier counts in this mission. Baze and Chirrut are the DPS and I'm fine with that. Remember they went into it not really expecting reinforcements.
CreepingFear
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Agreed, as cool as Thrawn is I'm pretty satisifed with how they did the Imperial Leaders and Officers.
I know I've been saying the characterization of the movie is weak but Krennec has a lot of really good subtle development. Everything involving him was great and his exchanges with Tarkin (despite how much his CGI bothered me) were great.
I guess I'm bothered because as character concepts they're both really interesting and there is a lot of potential they could have done with them but it really doesn't go anywhere. Them being just another body in the headcount for the mission would have been fine if they weren't hyped up and given such prominent roles.
SaniOYOYOY
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watched, liked it. still prefer eps 7, I feel rey + finn are better than the lead here.
but this new 'grounded star wars' feeling is really really fresh and amazing. never looked at AT walker in that way before
is there going to be more of this? Boy, I hope so
but this new 'grounded star wars' feeling is really really fresh and amazing. never looked at AT walker in that way before
is there going to be more of this? Boy, I hope so
It occurs to me that In Rogue One and A New Hope, Tarkin is referred to as "Governor" Tarkin, but I've always thought of him as Grand Moff Tarkin. Is he ever referred to by that title in the movies or is that just something I picked up from the Old EU? I thought it was Grand Moff in ANH but Leia definitely calls him Governor Tarkin when she is brought before him.
Ah Ah that's awesome !!
It's ok but it's not something mind blowing ( Chopper is the best droid ever though ), I don't like the fact that episodes aren't connected for the most part, I love Star war The Clone War series better.
UNFORTUNATELY
friskykillface
Banned
Chopper the GOAT
WadiumArcadium
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Chopper should have been attacking another droid.
Corronchilejano
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No.
I always thought it was clear everyone died back in a new hope. I'll have to rewatch it.
Nerd_Incognito
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Who was Vader's lackey? The one that comes in to his chamber, kneels, and tells him Krennic is there to speak to him?
It kind looked like
to me.
It kind looked like
Snoak
Sir_Crocodile
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In the old EU he was out in the unknown regions at this time, but who knows what Rebels will end up doing with him.
Was he though? I thought he wasn't out there until ESB.
WadiumArcadium
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I'm really glad I didn't listen to the soundtrack before watching the film. 'Hope' basically spells out it's a Vader action scene. It's definitely one of the highlights of the score.
Cassian isn't the first Rebel to go dark...
How rude.
hmmm guess the harsh rebel tactics was new, and so was mustafar lair, but im not a huge SW nerd so that didn't really feel like anything substantial.
Vader was confirmed a while back though? Wasn't he in a trailer. And the movie has the death star, tarkin not being in it would be a twist.
Still feel like a movie that 'spoilers' wouldn't have affected my enjoyment or lack of enjoyment of the film.
The movie is good not for revelations, its just a great 'world war 2' flick.
Sir_Crocodile
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Could be now that you mention it, I haven't read any of Zahn's Tales short stories recently. I do recall he was in one of them but I don't recall when it was set.
StrangeRoboMemory
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Just saw the film. It was...okay. It's better than the prequels and VII, at least. So many bad decisions, though, and lots of wasted potential. Way too many problems to actually call it good.
- Oddly poor performance from Forest Whitaker, such a good actor, but mumbles all of his lines and has some really phoned-in delivery.
- CGI Tarkin was awful and a remarkably bad decision. There were a few decent shots, but largely a huge miss. What were they thinking? They should have just hired Charles Dance and given him some facial prosthetic stuff and some make-up. CGI Leia wasn't as bad, but the longer her face was on screen, the worse it got.
- Chirrut and Baze were absolutely wasted characters. They have such a compelling start and then do nothing. Explore the idea of the Whills, tell us something, give us the story of these guys. Why do they even come along and participate in the adventure? It's like a bad JRPG where characters join your party and then tag along for no reason. They seem to share some special relationship with Jyn, but why? We don't get any good scenes where they interact in a meaningful way or exchange any ideas or feelings or backstories. Just wasted potential.
- Running off of this, one of the elements of a men on a mission war movie is that everyone has their own reason for being there, everyone has their own trauma, everyone has their own little story arc. The characters just don't have any pop or special connection. It's hard to believe that Cassian would be so affected by Jyn, because what have they really shared? It's hard to believe that Jyn would suddenly be so gung ho about the Rebellion...wouldn't she be bitter that they distrusted her and this led to her father's death? Hasn't she been politically apathetic for her entire life? Give the character some time to breathe so that she can come to grips with things. Show me how she changes her mind. Have her talk to the other characters. The transition is just too sloppy.
The shot of Jyn and Cassian on the beach with the explosion in the background was really good. I just wish that the film had earned it. Many of the final moments don't really land because the characters are so undercooked and there are so few scenes of the characters just interacting and getting to know each other. I can't understand their sacrifice because I don't know who they are or what they care about or how they're emotionally connected to one another.
K-2 steals the movie, at least. He's the breakout character by far.
- Giacchino's score was okay but forgettable.
- Krennic, likewise, was okay but forgettable. Just a made-to-order "villain" with no depth or special quality. Unfortunate.
- I heard some talk that this space battle was better than ROTJ's...not by a longshot, imo. The Star Destroyers slicing into each other was pretty great, though.
- I don't understand the decision to squirrel away your two main characters in a stiff Mission: Impossible/point and click adventure mini-game where they have to look through a bunch of files and pilot a UFO catcher crane game to get the Death Star plans. Jyn spends a large stretch of the last twenty minutes just doing nothing. Was there really no other option that could have been more dramatic and interesting?
- Oddly poor performance from Forest Whitaker, such a good actor, but mumbles all of his lines and has some really phoned-in delivery.
- CGI Tarkin was awful and a remarkably bad decision. There were a few decent shots, but largely a huge miss. What were they thinking? They should have just hired Charles Dance and given him some facial prosthetic stuff and some make-up. CGI Leia wasn't as bad, but the longer her face was on screen, the worse it got.
- Chirrut and Baze were absolutely wasted characters. They have such a compelling start and then do nothing. Explore the idea of the Whills, tell us something, give us the story of these guys. Why do they even come along and participate in the adventure? It's like a bad JRPG where characters join your party and then tag along for no reason. They seem to share some special relationship with Jyn, but why? We don't get any good scenes where they interact in a meaningful way or exchange any ideas or feelings or backstories. Just wasted potential.
- Running off of this, one of the elements of a men on a mission war movie is that everyone has their own reason for being there, everyone has their own trauma, everyone has their own little story arc. The characters just don't have any pop or special connection. It's hard to believe that Cassian would be so affected by Jyn, because what have they really shared? It's hard to believe that Jyn would suddenly be so gung ho about the Rebellion...wouldn't she be bitter that they distrusted her and this led to her father's death? Hasn't she been politically apathetic for her entire life? Give the character some time to breathe so that she can come to grips with things. Show me how she changes her mind. Have her talk to the other characters. The transition is just too sloppy.
The shot of Jyn and Cassian on the beach with the explosion in the background was really good. I just wish that the film had earned it. Many of the final moments don't really land because the characters are so undercooked and there are so few scenes of the characters just interacting and getting to know each other. I can't understand their sacrifice because I don't know who they are or what they care about or how they're emotionally connected to one another.
K-2 steals the movie, at least. He's the breakout character by far.
- Giacchino's score was okay but forgettable.
- Krennic, likewise, was okay but forgettable. Just a made-to-order "villain" with no depth or special quality. Unfortunate.
- I heard some talk that this space battle was better than ROTJ's...not by a longshot, imo. The Star Destroyers slicing into each other was pretty great, though.
- I don't understand the decision to squirrel away your two main characters in a stiff Mission: Impossible/point and click adventure mini-game where they have to look through a bunch of files and pilot a UFO catcher crane game to get the Death Star plans. Jyn spends a large stretch of the last twenty minutes just doing nothing. Was there really no other option that could have been more dramatic and interesting?
WadiumArcadium
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Vader was confirmed a while ago but we didn't know he'd get an action scene and one that good at that. CGI Tarkin had been rumoured for a while but some people go on media blackouts and wouldn't have known. Leia was rumoured as well but they didn't talk about it in the lead up.
the 'tutorial' level of Force Unleashed have you as Vader murdering wookees.
Was really fun.
Game had tons of potential. Shame it dragged on too long, and the sequel was kinda shit.
Back-In-Black
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You're talking shit, I thought Clone Wars was sub-par at best that only really started to save itself in the last seasons. Rebels is great from day 1 and only gets better.
Yep. Should have showed her face at all or at the very least only showed half or had her in shawdows.
Fucking excuse me?
I guess everyone that replied to that post is talking shit.
Rebels feels like Naruto filler.
Bobby Roberts
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Chopper is the fucking worst.
Lmao, the Revan's droid is cool too, don't worry but Chopper is such an asshole !! I can't stop laughing about all the shit it did during the three seasons, it just doesn't give a fuck if it's a humanoid or robot, it kills everything but still save the day like the hero it is.
Are you talking about the asteriod outpost?
You mean you didn't enjoy him during his death scene where he screamed out "SAVE YOURSELF! SAVE THE ALLIANCE! SAVE..the dream..."?
I think this movie's ultimate problems is pacing and characterization. Everything is rushed along and moved so fast you barely have time to process what happened.
Completely disagree with this. Krennec had a lot of subtle development. It was clear that Krennec and Galen knew each other on some personal level and it was made clearer when you could see Krennec in the flashback to Galen when he was still willingly in the Empire. He had a clear conflict which was to finish the Death Star, plug all the info leaks and still keep the project under his control and get the credit and accolades for from the Emperor. Even more you could see he harbored some disdain for Galen for leaving him.
Bobby Roberts
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Darth Vaders' butler is not Snoke.
Snoke is Snoke
He's just some weasely weirdo who stepped into a power vaccuum and manipulated young angry confused fascist wanna-bes.
He doesn't need (or deserve) some big earth-shattering twisty tie-in to some other characters' past to explain that.
Seriously, people act like Star Wars is some Shyamalan shit just because Lucas pulled "I am your father" out of his ass in 1978. It's more or less a simple, straightforward fairytale.
The Big Bad Wolf isn't related to Maleficent somehow, yunno?
Snoke is Snoke
He's just some weasely weirdo who stepped into a power vaccuum and manipulated young angry confused fascist wanna-bes.
He doesn't need (or deserve) some big earth-shattering twisty tie-in to some other characters' past to explain that.
Seriously, people act like Star Wars is some Shyamalan shit just because Lucas pulled "I am your father" out of his ass in 1978. It's more or less a simple, straightforward fairytale.
The Big Bad Wolf isn't related to Maleficent somehow, yunno?
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